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Pathfinder Grab Bag Competition Chat Thread
Welcome Ladies and Gentleman to the Giant in the Playground Pathfinder Grab Bag competition chat thread. The purpose of this thread is to house any questions, comments or discussions concerning the contest itself and/or the entries for this month's festivities.
As the title denotes, this is a contest exclusively for Pathfinder material. If you are more of a fan of Dungeons and Dragons (specifically the 3.X editions), please check out one of these wonderful contests:
This month's contest is...
Previous Competitions
Creepy Crawlers
Path to Castle Ravenloft
Playgrounders Assemble!
A Homebrew by any other Name...
Semper Fi! Do or Die!
A Day in the Life
Saturday Morning Nostalgia
Fear Itself
On the Origins of Species
Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!
Oaths and Resolutions
Homebrew! I choose you!
Of Dragons and Dungeons
Spell it Out for Us
Gamer's Gambit
Once More; with Feeling!Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2013-07-15 at 12:06 PM.
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Base Classes
{table=head]Name|Creator|Competition|Notes
Contractor 1Contractor 2Contractor 3Contractor 4|Milo v3|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|First Place Winner
Duel Summoner|Morph Bark|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Incomplete
Living Hive|Milo v3|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|First Place Winner
Monster Trainer|Xammux|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|First Place Winner
Necro-Ranger|masterstalker2|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Incomplete
Olympian|Midwoka|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Pact Bound Warrior 1 Pact Bound Warrior 2|DawnbringerSO|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Pokemaster|Kane0|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Incomplete
Sanguine Inquisitor|Milo v3|PGBC II: The Path to Castle Ravenloft|First Place Winner
The Shaman|tallonRook|PGBC IX: On the Origins of Species|First Place Winner
Spider Blood Assassin|Milo v3|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|First Place Winner
Sumran Warcaster|Milo v3|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Third Place Winner
Swarmlord|Tarvon000|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Swift Kinetic|Milo v3|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|-
Tainted Scion of Venom|Milo v3|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble|Second Place Winner; counterpart to Spider Blood Assassin
Titan of Steel|masterstalker2|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble|Incomplete
Unamed Class|4th Number|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Incomplete[/table]
Monsters
{table=head]Name|Creator|Competition|Notes
Atavist|grimgrin|PGBC IX: On the Origins of Species|Third Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Forgotten Memory|SamBurke|PGBC XIII: Of Dragons and Dungeons|First Place Winner
Grey Men|TARDIS|PGBC II: The Path to Castle Ravenloft|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Happy Hulk|Inuyasha|PGBC XIII: Of Dragons and Dungeons|Second Place Winner
Hollowed Spirit|Milo v3|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Incomplete
Myrmaton|Midwoka|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Present Surprise|ShadowFireLance|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Incomplete
Quirksteed|Kane0|PGBC IX: On the Origins of Species|Second Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play and Most Unique Entry
Steelix|DawnbringerSO|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Second Place Winner
Wasplings|Golden Ladybug|PGBC III: Playgrounders Assemble!|Third Place Winner
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Prestige Classes
{table=head]Name|Creator|Competition|Notes
Alchemical Hunter|Warpwolf16|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|-
Axiopact|Kane0|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Runner Up and Most Unique Entry
Defender of the North|Razanir|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Second Place Winner
Fear Eater|Mathias1313|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|Invalidated
Fearmonger|Kane0|PGBC VIII: Fear Itself|Second Place Winner
The Iron Man|ErrantX|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Khan|Kon Lesh|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Second Place Winner
Legion of One|Realms of Chaos|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|First Place Winner
Pack Master|BelGareth|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Paranormal Seeker|Golden Ladybug|PGBC II: The Path to Castle Ravenloft|Third Place Winner
Psionic Dancer|Razanir|PGBC XII: Homebrew! I choose you!|Incomplete
Returner of Old|Milo v3|PGBC IX: On the Origins of Species|Incomplete
Rocket Knight|Midwoka|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Second Place Winner
Solarsworn|4th Number|PGBC XI: Oaths and Resolutions|Third Place Winner and Judge's Choice
Uncontrollable Titan|devilingreye|PGBC VII: Saturday Morning Nostalgia|Third Place Winner
Winter Warrior|4th Number|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|First Place Winner, Most Likely to See Play, Most Unique Entry, Judge's Choice
Worm-Eaten Collective|Golden Ladybug|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|Third Place Winner[/table]
Races
{table=head]Name|Creator|Competition|Notes
Bastinoi|Mulletmanalive|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|-
Gatorfolk|Warpwolf16|PGBC V: Semper Fi! Do or Die!|-
Kithkin|TARDIS|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Kylanth|Milo v3|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Lagi|Midwoka|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|First Place Winner
Midwokans|Midwoka|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|First Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Mutant|Warpwolf16|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Nafairi|Deviston|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|Third Place Winner
Rhox|DawnbringerSO|PGBC VI: A Day in the Life|-
Sainesti|Milo v3|PGBC X: Have a Holly, Jolly Brewmas!|Third Place Winner
Theg|Kane0|PGBC I: Creepy Crawlers|Second Place Winner and Most Likely to See Play
Warp Wolves|Warpwolf16|PGBC IV: A Homebrew by any other Name...|Third Place Winner[/table]Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2013-04-18 at 09:34 AM.
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And with that, the contest is now completely set up and ready to run!
I'm trying something new and, as far as I'm aware, something that hasn't been attempted by one of these contests before. Hopefully it will turn out quite splendidly and won't end up crashing and burning entirely!
So let the creative juices flow for the beginning of March everyone!
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I think I will join this. I'm thinking I will develop an insectile hive-mind race, mostly for the roleplaying challenge. That, and I have the most experience with races.
Bearpunch GunsmokeDungeoning Dragons. All day. Every day.Thanks so much to Eruantion for my awesome Gith Monk avatar!
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I'll throw my hat into the ring; I was just going to watch until I read over it and got hit by inspiration for a cool bug race.
I'll figure out the Base Class and PrC as I go along.Last edited by Golden Ladybug; 2012-03-01 at 03:59 PM.
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Take your time. There's a whole month in this thing to go and every entry will be a hidden treasure in itself.
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Wait... *just fully read what you wrote*
You do know that you're entering a Base class or a Prestige class or a Monster or a Race, not all of them or any combination, right?Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2012-03-01 at 04:11 PM.
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No, no I did not. I was reading it and thinking that the challenge was designing a trio of Base Class, PrC and Race/Monster.
Well, better scrap my first idea then and think of something that stands on its own
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I'm in. Can I make something both hive mind- and swarm-related?
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All right, you've got my interest. I'll see what I can come up with.
Prestige Bard, updated for Pathfinder.
Revamped Spell Resistance system, for use with Spell Points/Psionics.
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Sure! For the themes you don't have to pick only one, those are just the guiding principles for the overarching theme.
A swarm of Badgerguins is just as valid an entry as a race of constructs who are linked in a Hive Mind. Neither one of those are anthropods but that's ok, these themes are meant to allow a cornucopia of potential entries that aren't tethered to a iron-cast mold. Out of anything I see that as the strength of the set up of my contest.
@Curious: Huzzah!
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Got a good idea for a Druid Prc that summons a hoard of squirrels gaining a hive mind with them and becoming one with a Squirrel!
Should be fun to do.Spoiler
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Can I suggest that any attempt to emulate the Geth/Legion from Mass Effect be vetoed? Just cause it was the first thing to come to mind is all...
Edit: If not then I guess ill make oneLast edited by Kane0; 2012-03-01 at 10:40 PM.
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Heh.
How many more day is it till launch?
As much as I want Grunt and Jack back (because he's my Bro and she's my tender puppy in need of gentle care) and as much as I'd love Wrex and Garrus back (miss my old Bro Squad from ME1), I'd like to see Legion back on your crew. I never actually got the chance to do anything with him since if I wanted a perfect game I'd need to recruit and do his mission after I had finished the rest of the game.
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Well its 6 days to go here in Australia, so im past even the "I cant wait" stage.
I went back at the beggining of feb for the explicit purpose of making a perfect game with all survivors to use in ME3, which i preordered last year back in like June
But anyway I may end up making a 'Theg' humanoid species as a hats off to ME for this compRoll for it 5e Houserules and Homebrew
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So pretty much done, just have to stat up the crazy squirrels for summon natures ally and fine tune/spell check etc the rest.
Hope you like it!Spoiler
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"I have a high art; I hurt with cruelty those who would damage me." -Archilochus
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I do! ^_^
Now the break down of what I found;
Special
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Table
You have it titled Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Class Features
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Weapon and Armor Proficiencies
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Wildshape
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Spontaneous Summoning
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master.
Horde Empathy
You've got conflicting genders in the first sentence and call Pack Master "Pack Lord."
Eyes of the Horde
There shouldn't be an apostrophe in Eyes. You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. You might want to clear up the "perceives things" bit of that sentence to be more specific. You forgot the apostrophe for "Companion's" and you should probably change "vision" to "sensory modes" or something similar. Yes, Squirrels rely on sight but by the strictest sense you can only see things and nothing else.
Summon the Horde
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. And while the ability is poignant, I wonder if it would be out of line to just let the Pack Master become a swarm of squirrels in addition to its normal wildshaping options for this ability.
Power of the Pack
Should be "effective" not affective.
Many are One
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. There also shouldn't be an apostrophe in "Eyes". And what exactly does this ability do? It seems like a limited form of teleportation but really seems to have low utility as a later level ability. I mean, she jumps into her squirrel companion's body and then what? Does she still keep her spell casting?
One are Many
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. And I feel that the ship example limitation is a little silly. I think it would make more sense (especially as a capstone) to have the Pack Master either become a swarm and then the swarm needs to be killed or have the Pack Master dissolve into a certain amount of squirrels and then every one of those squirrels needs to be killed or the Pack Master will regenerate (like old school Vampires).Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2012-03-02 at 04:37 PM.
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Ah yes, I changed the name half way through and confusled myself.
Fixed
Horde Empathy
You've got conflicting genders in the first sentence and call Pack Master "Pack Lord."
Fixed
Eyes of the Horde
There shouldn't be an apostrophe in Eyes. You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. You might want to clear up the "perceives things" bit of that sentence to be more specific. You forgot the apostrophe for "Companion's" and you should probably change "vision" to "sensory modes" or something similar. Yes, Squirrels rely on sight but by the strictest sense you can only see things and nothing else.
Summon the Horde
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. And while the ability is poignant, I wonder if it would be out of line to just let the Pack Master become a swarm of squirrels in addition to its normal wildshaping options for this ability.
Theres wildshape and then theres the limited use of Swarm Shape (max 3/day)
Power of the Pack
Should be "effective" not affective.
Many are One
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. There also shouldn't be an apostrophe in "Eyes". And what exactly does this ability do? It seems like a limited form of teleportation but really seems to have low utility as a later level ability. I mean, she jumps into her squirrel companion's body and then what? Does she still keep her spell casting?
Originally Posted by BelGareth
This is essentially Teleport at will(short ranged) as long as you're in squirrel form, while it loses some power at higher levels, you still retain the ability to get out of places when in a bind. Still, I think, a Great ability.
One are Many
You call the class Pack Lord instead of Pack Master. And I feel that the ship example limitation is a little silly. I think it would make more sense (especially as a capstone) to have the Pack Master either become a swarm and then the swarm needs to be killed or have the Pack Master dissolve into a certain amount of squirrels and then every one of those squirrels needs to be killed or the Pack Master will regenerate (like old school Vampires).
Thanks for pointing everything out.Spoiler
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Okay, so I want the base class I'm working on to get a hellwasp familiar, but there are no statistics for individual hellwasps. Can I make up statistics for them or would that not be allowed because I'd be creating both a class and a monster?
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I'm saying, open it up as an option for the regular wildshape. Like how Druids can end up choosing to become plants or elementals as they wildshape. As it is right now, a Druid 4/Pack Master 10 would be able to Wildshape 6/day and can "Swarm Shape" 3/day. Would there be any harm in just opening it up as an option for regular wildshape and keep the extra 3 uses as being only able to be used for "Swarm Shape"? You've got other class features that affect the Druid's normal abilities if they don't or do pick a squirrel so it could fall into that vein.
I'll have a comment about the entry for the class further down in this post.
So, the two creatures swap places, and to do so the Pack Master must be in Squirrel form via Wildshape, so all the restrictions of being in wildshape are in affect.
This is essentially Teleport at will(short ranged) as long as you're in squirrel form, while it loses some power at higher levels, you still retain the ability to get out of places when in a bind. Still, I think, a Great ability.
I just disagree with you on this one, I think this is a great ability, but not overpowering, great in specific circumstances. Having it break into a dozen tiny creatures would just drive players and DM's crazy keeping track of, having them disburse if they can, I think, is the best option.
- Pack Master would die.
- The Pack Master dissolves into a swarm of squirrels.
- The ability checks to see if the Pack Master died in a "logical place".
- If yes, the Pack Master survives and the squirrels reform as him/her in a place 1 mile away. The Pack Master is at 0 hp but stable.
- If no, the Pack Master dies.
I just personally think it'd be more interesting and easier to deal with ability if the Pack Master did dissolve into an actual amount of squirrels and they all need to be killed to kill the Pack Master. As it is right now, it's up to the DM's discretion for both the ability to work and for the Pack Master to survive. I mean, that just feels like a "Track feat" kind of ability.
Now for what I mentioned higher up.
Generally Prestige classes can't be entered until level 6 or level 7. You can take this class at level 5, only requiring 4 levels of Druid to enter it. What made you decide on allowing an early entry?
Thanks for pointing everything out.
Berp, misread.
An individual hellwasp is too small to really be a statted creature (which is why you find it in swarm form). And they're mindless. Is there a reason you need the Hellwasp in particular instead of something new made for the class?
And in the case of your question, you're not statting the creature as a separate entry but as an accessory to an actual entry, so you're good.Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2012-03-03 at 08:00 AM.
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The hellwasp is a familiar. There are already both Diminutive familiars and familiars that would normally be mindless. And judging from the swarm's stats, an individual hellwasp would actually be the most powerful familiar yet, even if I remove its DR.
Is there a reason you need the Hellwasp in particular instead of something new made for the class?
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Right, I forgot that Ultimate Magic introduced vermin familiars. But I'm not seeing any familiars as being that small. The scorpion and house centipede are both Tiny.
Judging from the swarm's stats how? The swarm is made up of 5,000 individual wasps.
And how do you see a Hellwasp being more powerful than an Imp or Pseudo-Dragon or any of the improved familiars (which it would be contending with)?
It's mostly for flavor, but my current capstone is that the familiar turns into an entire hellwasp swarm.
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It's true that none of the vermin familiars are Diminutive, but the bat and toad are.
Judging from the swarm's stats how? The swarm is made up of 5,000 individual wasps.
And how do you see a Hellwasp being more powerful than an Imp or Pseudo-Dragon or any of the improved familiars (which it would be contending with)?
Ah, then I'd suggest just statting up some kind of "Greater Hellwasp" to fit the bill.
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Shows how much I look into familiars on characters. xD
Once again, you're right.
Each individual hellwasp has the same physical ability scores as the swarm (Str 1, Dex 22, Con 14), and a poisonous bite attack (otherwise the swarm wouldn't be poisonous either).
Good point. I forgot about the Improved Familiar feat.
As in a Tiny hellwasp? Maybe, but it would be hard to explain why the hellwasp shrinks when it becomes part of a swarm.
Magic?
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It turns out I was wrong. That isn't a rule after all.
So you could buff it up if you made it obtainable through the feat. I don't think there's precedence for a non-mundane animal being made into a familiar though without the feat.
Actually, I posted the whole class earlier today, but I forgot to mention it until now.Last edited by Tarvon000; 2012-03-03 at 07:29 PM.
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