The Index of the Giant's Comments

[SaintRidley]

Seconding Porthos's suggestion of the quote about Xykon being chilly - there seems to be a lot of confusion on that point, and it would be good to have. Tells us a bit about how the Order has evolved in terms of combat preparedness and effectiveness, as well.

English literature classes? Nobody runs into science fiction in those classes.

Guess I should tell my friends who are doing dissertations on science fiction that they're imaginary.

Influence questions are hugely interesting to me, personally, because I don't stick solely to medieval literature proper in my work. I dive into neomedieval things as well, whether they be modern revivals of medieval works, modern works adapting aspects of the medieval like Thor comics, or modern works playing in a pseudomedieval setting like Dungeons and Dragons or OotS. These questions are directly useful to me as a scholar. They provide some direction in terms of what kind of research I need to do, even if that direction is "don't look here, nothing relevant lies beyond."

[ThePhantasm]

Just to reiterate - please try to limit discussion ONLY to the suggestion of new quotes. In the new thread, we can discuss whether those new quotes will be included. For now, lets just focus on compiling them while I get the new index finished up.

[RMS Oceanic]

I agree with including "Xykon is chilly", it just doesn't seem to be clear to a lot of people.

[Nilan8888]

I agree with including "Xykon is chilly", it just doesn't seem to be clear to a lot of people.

I also agree -- this wasn't clear to me either.

[Kurald Galain]

I also agree -- this wasn't clear to me either.

But since the answer to the question "is Xykon chilly?" is "no", that means it isn't actually relevant

[With a box]

it looks like the thread is nearly full, so I think now is the time for argue about making a new thread for this one.

[Kurald Galain]

it looks like the thread is nearly full, so I think now is the time for argue about making a new thread for this one.

That means thread title!

Index of the Giant's Comments II - is this thread influenced by Terry Pratchett?
Index of the Giant's Comments II - feeling chilly today.
Index of the Giant's Comments II - 'no' is not relevant.

[oppyu]

Index of the Giant's Comments II - Yes, We're Stalking Him
Index of the Giant's Comments II - S*** The Giant Says
Index of the Giant's Comments II - No, We Have Nothing Better To Do
Index of the Giant's Comments II - Elan Has Two Rapiers

[Der_DWSage]

Index of the Giant's Comments II:Yes, we needed another one.
Index of the Giant's Comments II:Speak softly and carry a Greatclub.
Index of the Giant's Comments II:Son of the Giant
Index of the Giant's Comments II:We got him to say something about the MitD, we swear!
Index of the Giant's Comments II:Rich's words live up to his name.

[Vendanna]

Index of the Giant's Comments II - +4 to Wisdom.

[TengYt]

Index of the Giant's Comments II - Elan Has Two Rapiers

Seconding this.

[RNGgod]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: The Scrying Orb Was Zz'dtri

[ChristianSt]

The Index of the Giant's Comments II: On a saner forum, there wouldn't have been need for a second one.

[Ron Miel]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: That's what HE said.

[RMS Oceanic]

More Baleful Utterances than a Warlock Convention

[Kurald Galain]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: That's what HE said.

This wins!

[pendell]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: That's what HE said.

I vote for this one.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[nogall]

The Index of the Giant's Comments II: oh no, he didn't!

[Tala Goodweed]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: That's what HE said.

Yes, I vote for this too.

[orrion]

Guess I should tell my friends who are doing dissertations on science fiction that they're imaginary.

Don't be a moron. That's your friends choosing what to do. That's not your friends entering a class and being told to read science fiction books.

Science fiction books are extremely rare in canon literature.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Science fiction books are extremely rare in canon literature.

1984
Fahrenheit 451
A Brave New World
... and many, many others

GW

[Bird]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: The Scrying Orb Was Zz'dtri

Oh, this gets my vote for sure.

[Reddish Mage]

1984
Fahrenheit 451
A Brave New World
... and many, many others

GW

I would note that science-fiction works don't even exist until Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein. I was told in my English classes that certain works don't even fall into science-fiction despite themes that point to the contrary, such as Woolf's Orlando: A Biography. I would also note that certain fantasies seem to possess Sci-Fi themes like Lewis Caroll's Alice novels.

I believe a number of the science fiction type works we read in high school like Orwell are not considered anywhere near on the same level as Milton.

[hamishspence]

I would note that science-fiction works don't even exist until Mary Shelly wrote Frankenstein.

A case could be made that Johannes Kepler's Somnium was the first science fiction story:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Science_fiction

though Frankenstein may have helped codify the nature of the science fiction novel.

[ChristianSt]

Can anybody tell me what Science Fiction in literature has to do with the Giant's comments?

(No, I don't want to hear a bunch of posts saying "nothing")


EDIT: ... Maybe I should have made it clearer that I mean that this whole "it is possible to read Science Fiction in English class" and related stuff is just unneeded derailment to this thread?

[hamishspence]

Can anybody tell me what Science Fiction in literature has to do with the Giant's comments?

This was the post where the tangent started:

This isn't a thread to list only what I or you consider important topics, it is a thread to collect Rich's words on topics that are important to the forum at large. Now, he has asked us to limit it to only those topics that are directly related to OotS, rather than, say, his western animation tv series watching preferences (Go, Team Avatar!), but for reasons that escape my understanding, a lot of people care deeply about what authors influenced other authors (I suspect it has to do with English Literature classes, which I never took). Pratchett and GRRM come up often, and thus are worthy of inclusion.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Can anybody tell me what Science Fiction in literature has to do with the Giant's comments?

Some forumnites are interested in what works of literature influenced OotS. I suggested this might be because of English Literature lessons. It was claimed that such classes would not include science fiction. I took exception to such statement, and countered it.

Thus, relation is tangential, but clear: can science fiction novels be considered important enough to literature development that they should be considered when drafting influences of more modern works, such as OotS. We have conclusive answers to two such influences, but obviously if you don't believe that science fiction can even be considered, you would disagree.

Grey Wolf

[NerdyKris]

The problem is we're derailing the thread with a discussion about what constitutes sci fi.


Also, agreed on the scarf quote. I thought it was obvious, but a lot of people seem to be missing it, presumably because one can also think of it as a face wrap to protect against sand, so the "scarf/chilly" angle is being missed. It should definitely go in.

[Zherog]

Index of the Giant's Comments II: That's what HE said.

This wins.

[Nilan8888]

The Index of the Giant's Comments II: On a saner forum, there wouldn't have been need for a second one.

There are sane internet forums?