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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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Re: OOTS #1146 - The Discussion Thread
I'm actually reading through the Hobbit right now, and I'm intrigued about the original version.
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2018-11-14, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Wikipedia article on "The Hobbit" says that the only changes between the first and second editions are the chapter "Riddles in the Dark", which Tolkien sent a revised version of to his publishers and was quite surprised to see the revised version in the new book! Third edition was 1966, which had some small textual alterations elsewhere.
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Hardly unique to English. We've been naming stuff from the place someone claims it comes from in every language I know of for millennia. Consider the turkey, so called in English because someone marketed as a Turkish hen. The same poor avian creature is called "(Chicken) of India" in French, and "Roman rooster" in Arab.
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2018-11-14, 10:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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But what about lamp posts? Is that a sneaky reference to Narnia?
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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I do think the suggestion that Tolkien "plagiarizes" from himself holds water.
Glorfindel makes an appearance in LotR. It is a bit weird, because it could have been any old elf warrior of renown -- he is not actually important to the tale, but Tolkien picked Glorfindel because...he liked Glorfindel. At this point, it has been rationalized as a blessed return, but I doubt that was Tolkien's original thinking. He put in Glorfindel because he wanted to.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2018-11-14, 01:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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While I can't remember where exactly I heard/read the specific example of "lampposts and China" (although I do rememebr it), I don't own a copy of the original edition of The Hobbit, so don't take my words as gospel. I remain sure however that the Hobbit wasn't supposed to be set within the Legendarium. I mean even the revised editions don't quite fit .(matches? clocks? coffe? talking purse!?)
Bloody hell, I thought that was just a coincidence! You just blew my mind.
I think it's a reference to lammpposts personnally.Forum Wisdom
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2018-11-14, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Silmarillion states that all Elves eventually come back to life, and Tolkien confirmed that both Glorfindels were one and the same.
Remember how he appeared to Frodo as a being of Light within the Invisible World? That is because he had seen the Light of the Two Trees.Forum Wisdom
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That possibility was dismissed by Tolkien out of hand when he stopped to actually examine the question, but at the moment of writing, it doesn't seem like he thought about it much. However, I don't think it was a matter of liking Glorfindel the character and wanting him to be in the story, so much as liking Glorfindel the name and it not having been used in decades, in a text that he didn't hope to publish anytime soon. That's the same reason why many Gondorian characters bear recycled Elvish names.
Incidentally, I really like the way Tolkien's mind worked: examining the problem of Glorfindel led to some extremely interesting texts on the nature of Elvish reincarnation.ungelic is us
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Going internet history is that C.S. Lewis put the Lampost in Narnia mainly because Tolkein satated "There can be no Lamposts in Fantasy."
J.R.R. Tolkien said that no good fantasy would have ELECTRIC lamps in it. You can read this in his essay On Fairy-Stories, available in PDF form here:
The electric street-lamp may indeed be ignored, simply because it is so insignificant and transient. Fairy-stories, at any rate, have many more permanent and fundamental things to talk about. Lightning, for example. The escapist is not so subservient to the whims of evanescent fashion as these opponents. He does not make things (which it may be quite rational to regard as bad) his masters or his gods by worshipping them as inevitable, even “inexorable.” And his opponents, so easily contemptuous, have no guarantee that he will stop there: he might rouse men to pull down the street-lamps. Escapism has another and even wickeder face: Reaction.Last edited by Ornithologist; 2018-11-14 at 06:47 PM.
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Belkar's Death Countdown best guess: 31/49 days used before Belkar is gone forever more! - updated to morning at 1190!
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So does this mean Elan's shenanigans are Gods Approved?
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Well, the reveals DO tend to be fun.
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showt...6#post15476516
I know I'm stealing this from someone else. But it's SO FUNNY
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2018-11-15, 03:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Didn't know that Tolkien had confirmed they were one and the same, although I should have remembered the bit about Elves reincarnating. However, "having seen the light of the Two Trees" isn't actually all that distinctive for an Elf, considering a large number of them went to Valinor and then came back to Middle-earth to fight Morgoth in Beleriand.
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2018-11-15, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Most of those died or left back again when the Doom of Mandos was lifted at the end of the First Age (roughly 6,000 years prior to the Lord of the Rings) and most of those who remained (like Gil-Galad) where born in Middle-Earth. There' is a good chance that Glorfindel and Galadriel (and Celeborn depending on which of his backstories you like best) are the sole remaining Calaquendi in Middle-Earth by the time of the Lord of the Ring.
EDIT: On Tolkien confirming Glorfindel being one and the same, my source is the fan site Tolkiendil (in french), who credits History of Middle-Earth, volume 12: the people of Middle-Earth as their source. I can't confirm myself since for some reason there are no translation of the HoME books after the sixth.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2018-11-15 at 04:00 AM.
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Personally I think both Banjo and Giggles lack the Dedication and Souls to be proper gods yet, though they might have enough Belief and Worship.
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I can’t believe how many people here are goddists. Banjo is a true and proper god, even if your closed minded prejudice prevents you from seeing the truth.
Next you’ll tell me that Pluto isn’t a “real” planet, or that Cheetos brand Cheezie Corn Meal Puffs aren’t “real” cheese.Last edited by Dion; 2018-11-15 at 09:51 AM.
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