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2017-11-02, 03:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wasn't there some kind of blind-folded anti-demon Elf dude from Warcraft who took the power of demons into himself, so he became a hated outcast in order to protect those he loved, but the darkness ate at his heart blah blah and he had two giant swords or something?
Cursed with awesome powers, hating the pain of being so cool, etc.?
If I recall correctly, that guy fits here.I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2017-11-02, 03:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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"If it lives it can be killed.
If it is dead it can be eaten."
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(Walter Moers "Die Stadt der träumenden Bücher")
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2017-11-02, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Illidan Stormrage.
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2017-11-03, 02:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-11-03, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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I got that feeling. Bad stuff happens to him, sure, but he doesn't seem to angst all that much. I haven't read the books in a very very long time though.
Now, for real edge, we can bring up the primary, secondary, and tertiary characters in just about any Warhammer 40K novel. Of course, it's all tongue-in-cheek so that might change whether it counts, but boy do they layer on the edge.Avatar credit to Shades of Gray
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2017-11-03, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2017-11-03, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, the tone of 40k is inconsistent and has waffled around a lot over the years. Sometimes, it's "EVERYTHING IS HUGE AND AWESOME", sometimes it's simply dark, sometimes it's unintentionally so over the top dark you can't take it seriously anymore and sometimes it's intentional parody of how dark it is.
It used to contain a bit more parody.Resident Vancian Apologist
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2017-12-02, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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out of many characters i rolled using whfrp's "unusual features" chart, i only got something else besides "mismatched eyes" once. that one time was a nose ring. i gave up and now always choose "mismatched eyes" whenever applicable. in honor of my first character, those colors are golden/hazel and violet (because nothing screams "boring" like pink and yellow eyes). failing that, one green and one blue. oddly enough, the violet eye is quite appropriate in 40k if your character comes from the scarus sector: it's a "racial" trait of cadians and their descendants.
most of my characters aren't really edgy, either. they've just got weird eyes, a slight sociopathic streak, and a penchant for the smokables (cigars, pipes, hookahs, cigarettes... best excuse ever to have a lighter on hand).
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2017-12-02, 08:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've personally had many characters who are 'shifty', but not actually edgy. Heck, one of the edgiest characters I played was an attempt at playing a previously edgy character, he entered play several years after he'd attempted to straighten his life out (he was still extremely kooky and owned some books that his bosses likely would not have approved of, but he was honestly trying). He ended up appearing shifty but acted extremely honestly and earnestly, he ended up studying to become a priest after the campaign ended. The same campaign featured a church-raised assassin who was 16 and exploited to perform sinful acts because he was already damned, who was essentially the 'this is so awesome' version of an edgelord (awesomelord?) and carried a katana because they are apparently the 'greatest swords ever designed'*.
Now my characters tend towards long coats, but that's because my last GM tended towards using cities that got cold and wet a lot (such as London during winter), they appear a lot less when we're not in such climates. Actually led to a hilarious moment when the entire group discovered we'd independently given our characters knee length coats, and so stood out like a sore thumb.
On the subject of heterochromia, never had a character with it, but I've had plenty of them with internal/central heterochromia (ring of another colour around the pupil) because I have the gold-blue/green-blue version myself. Otherwise they tend towards brown eyes, I've got a thing for going for more generic look.
* This caused an argument, I'm a massive fan of European swords who believes katana were only suited to their environment. I currently arm character with infantry sabres in European settings, and jian in Chinese settings.
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2017-12-02, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
Lots of people seem to use blue for sarcasm, I decided I should too
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2017-12-02, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'd like to share this for a laugh. Good quotes include:
-and snakes covered the baby like a throne.The young red-eyed elf was not in the world around him, he was different from everyone, he felt a hatred ..."PRATICES AND STUDY ARE FOR AMATEUR. TRUE POWER IS A BIRTHRIGHT".
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2017-12-02, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Imagine if all real-world conversations were like internet D&D conversations...
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I have a LOT of Homebrew!
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2017-12-03, 01:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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.....The development of the orphan baby was a mystery, but he survived without any love and affection alone in the world.......
.....With such power, he ventured into the depths, made powerful Pacts, and acquired powerful eyes that saw in the deepest darkness and powers ever imagined....
....The villain loved to hide in the shadows as he watched his Undead devour the invaders of darkness.......
......Able to manipulate illusions, battle tactics and a legion of undead he destroyed and annihilated the school of necromancy, turning them all into new tools.......
*cries tears of joy*
That is...
...the finest back-story EVUH!
*sob*
I salute it's majesty!
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2017-12-03, 01:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Stop using good evidence and logic that makes sense to refute points, that's my job
Lots of people seem to use blue for sarcasm, I decided I should too
I have joined the ranks of the FFRPeople Here is my character.
Thank you to Linkele for creating my avatar!
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2017-12-03, 01:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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You you could just, you know, let people play the character they want to play in a fantasy game, instead of complaining about any character who isn't a noblebright Hobbit-type with loving parents, two kindly uncles, five siblings, a wife, three kids and a dog named toby, who's adventuring for... some reason, instead of actually looking after his familial responsibilities.
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2017-12-03, 01:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Uh real talk: please tell me your being sarcastic, but your trying too hard if you are and its obnoxious. if you aren't its still obnoxious. tone it down. like your entire attitude, is just obnoxious and annoying whether its for real or not. I don't really care which. just please tone it down. especially when it comes to this weird angsty PC schtick you have going here, its particularly obnoxious when you keep constantly proclaiming this every single time it comes up and if its a joke, it stopped being funny like two seconds after you posted it the first time. like I get your trying to find some laughs or whatever, but I just find it annoying that you keep pigeonholing all PCs into super-angsty stuff like this whether you intend it to be funny or not. like I wish I could laugh at the joke but its just making me roll my eyes because its just so tiresome. like I know your joking, but I'm feeling nothing but annoyance from it.
and oh hey, a backstory that'll make good snark fodder. I'll have to do an MST of it. at least for myself.
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2017-12-03, 05:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't stop or tone it down 2D8. It's freakin hilarious.
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2017-12-03, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Please, this was a party member who had no actual awesomeness. Szeth is a good example of the character he was going for, what he ended up with was essentially an anime ninja (he was a massive anime fanboy, hence the 'katanas age the greatest swords ever invented') in a party that consisted of an ex-cultist, two nuns, and a private detective.
The character also broke rules and we didn't discover it for about three months because he didn't share his build with anybody.
Now anime ninjas have their place. Fighting alongside a Solar Exalt is one. Another is Tokyo being invaded by aliens. What is not their place is a group of church employed to run around modern day London and root out cultists.
That works until one person has a massively different idea of what sort of fantasy we're playing to everybody else. Or the character doesn't work with the party, which is the big problem with edgy characters.
Must Edgelords I've seen have been grizzled liner types who don't like other people, and hang around for significantly happier people. It gets even more insane when everybody is an Edgelord, which I've personally never seen happen.
So yeah, it's mainly a problem with when you get parties that consist of Bob the Fighter, Jeff the Wizard, Sally the Rogue, Alice the Cleric, and Bloodknife Painhurt.
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2017-12-03, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Really? Because all I ever see is stuff like "that character's backstory has dead parents, lol edgy!". For a community that consumes Comic books, Anime, action movies, roleplaying games and fantasy fiction almost as a matter of course there's a surprising willingness make giant sweeping condemnations much in the same way many would dismiss these hobbies altogether as being "kids stuff".
What's an "edgelord" how do you actually tell someone who's "trying too hard to be cool" from someone who's genuinely making the character they want to play? If there's a tonal problem talk to the player. When I DM I'm pretty upfront about "no silly joke characters" (because it stops being funny halfway through session two), I don't wait for my players to make their characters, see that one of them has made a bumbling old Rock Gnome Wizard with 4 Perception, and then complain about their humorous character ruining my Dark Fantasy inspired setting. I clarify tone ahead of time so that it doesn't become an issue.
I'm rather past the stage of my life where I think in terms like "edgy" or the related term "tryhard". I play D&D for fun, not to revert back to the high school dilemma of "well I want people to think I'm cool, but actually showing any interest or passion is a faux pas".
If the DM has failed establish the tone in his initial pitch, and failed to review the characters before play, whose fault is it?Last edited by War_lord; 2017-12-03 at 05:56 AM.
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2017-12-03, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, what I was saying is that if the group decides they're playing the type of fantasy that includes edgelords (which, I'll be honest, happens at least half the time in my experience) then they're fine, but if only one member of the group wants that there's going to be some problems.
What's an "edgelord" how do you actually tell someone who's "trying too hard to be cool" from someone who's genuinely making the character they want to play? If there's a tonal problem talk to the player. When I DM I'm pretty upfront about "no silly joke characters" (because it stops being funny halfway through session two), I don't wait for my players to make their characters, see that one of them has made a bumbling old Rock Gnome Wizard with 4 Perception, and then complain about their humorous character ruining my Dark Fantasy inspired setting. I clarify tone ahead of time so that it doesn't become an issue.
Heck, I refuse to let a campaign start with characters that weren't created together, precisely because of this. I've seen characters that don't fit, including at least once mine, break campaigns.
FWIW, I can't explain it, but there is a difference between 'tragedy to try and improve the character' and 'tragedy that is OMG so edgy' that can be deduced when reading a backstory. It is however a very fine line and exists mostly in the presentation, I'll generally let 'edgyness' slide if the backstory makes it look like the character's not just sat around moping but has actually tried to make something out of his life.
I'm rather past the stage of my life where I think in terms like "edgy" or the related term "tryhard". I play D&D for fun, not to revert back to the high school dilemma of "well I want people to think I'm cool, but actually showing any interest or passion is a faux pas".
Heck, my problem with 'edgy' characters is generally that I think there's not enough effort being put into them. I think you can take a character who has had a horrible backstory and go one of two routes, Darkangst Edgemourn or an attempt to create a three dimensional character who is affected by their tragedy but not defined by it (which is really hard, I very rarely managed to get the 'affected by their tragedy' into my final personality).
If the DM has failed establish the tone in his initial pitch, and failed to review the characters before play, whose fault is it?
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2017-12-03, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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I sometimes think that this talk of "Too edgy" characters goes a little bit too far.
I want you to imagine a man whose name means Eagle No-one'sson, who is a human assassin (tables 2 and 3) - in fact, his entire backstory can be summed up as "I work for assassins" (table 4) - he's been trained from birth to assassinate people, essentially. He gradually changes from chaotic to lawful neutral, and is not only pragmatic to the core but definitely serves an evil higher power, though he doesn't know it at the time.
As for "He's got to be misunderstood! His misanthropic nature is simply the outward manifestation of a deep-seated insecurity, resulting from the internalization of the notion that he is apart from others and always will be, that he somehow stands alone, and that no one will ever truly understand the incredible, titanic struggle within himself, nor will he ever truly be able to relate this to another person, no matter how close they become," that's almost exactly his personality.
Who am I talking about? None other than Altaïr Ibn La'Ahad, one of the most popular characters in gaming history. Let edgy characters be edgy; they can still be awesome.
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2017-12-03, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah pretty much. Of course, Vladamir Darkbane, vengeance paladin, who's parents were killed by vampires and now he wants VENGEANCE, is a bit more trope-y that that.
But if it's not an actual problem, keep your cracking up on the inside, and maybe come to the forums to laugh about it.
Of course, depending on the game system, taking the piss is the entire point. Certainly it is for D&D ... it was invented based on taking the piss out of, and making corny stereotypes of, any number of pop-culture stuff the original wargamers had read in sci-if and fantasy books. It wasn't until later that people went all: must serious 'roleplay' ARGLE BARGLE
Edit: What makes me really laugh is when people are trying to combine those. They are totally serious about their lengthy actually-just-here-to-write backstory about Sir Edgelord, because roleplay* is serious bidness.
*not, yknow, actual roleplay. Just the part that means "writing a long torturous fanfic backstory"Last edited by Tanarii; 2017-12-03 at 11:19 AM.
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2017-12-03, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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as awesome as your post is, you can give that treatment to a hell of a lot of other characters: mario, link, doomguy (especially with his "reboot" by bethesda). i think the distinction to be made is whether you're writing a byronic hero or you're a hack.
sure, there's the typical tropes to go with your edgelord character, and this thread covers them nicely. what i really like is subverting them. my current character is:
-half-drow
-heterochromic (purple and golden)
-wears mostly black, some blood red
-complete sociopath
-has parent issues (like, his father is missing in action, his mom left him on his dad's doorstep)
-criminal adolescence
-possessed by a tome of eldritch horror
-has substance abuse problems
-works as an inquisitor
-his last name translates to "rose thorn"
everyone calls him "josé" and he's usually both the skillmonkey and the barrel of laughs of the group. he's just a socially maladjusted half-blood with a hard background trying to do his best to make golarion a better place. hell, despite what the dm tries to make of that character, he's about as anti-edgelord as he can be played. whereas some people have grimdarkified the pokémon universe. i think it boils down to "how can you write an effective character with a tragic past without going over the top on the angst". some people will have fun making edgy characters on purpose, but i think this thread is about mocking the bad fanfic writers who think that "edgy" is cool. that was cool back in the 90's. not nearly the 2020's. now it's time to make light of this.
(but seriously, your post was awesome).
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2017-12-03, 01:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Part of it is that people for some reason mistake the worst of something for all of it. They confuse the superficial trappings of a certain sort of character with what amounts to a character that would be badly written or played no matter what its superficial trappings were. Bad characters are bad characters whether they're "edge" or not.
And then there are those stupid "You might be an edgelord if..." checklists that people use to belittle and spit on any character coincidentally who has even one or two of the listed characteristics -- and like the even more idiotic "mary sue" checklists, they just keep growing, adding on more and more supposed red flags until only the most bland and banal and saccharine of lit-fic worthy characters are "acceptable".It is one thing to suspend your disbelief. It is another thing entirely to hang it by the neck until dead.
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2017-12-03, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't remember where I saw it, but I once read someone Telling Me About His Character, who was a Gargoyle (from the Disney cartoon) with an utterly horrific backstory - clan all dead, hideously scarred, missing one wing.... but the player would lapse into his traumatic backstory grimderp brooding with even the TINIEST prompt. "Ice cream? No colder than the WINDS OF VENGEANCE that pour from my blackened heart". It wrapped back around to pure black comedy.
Imagine if all real-world conversations were like internet D&D conversations...
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I was like ... this has to be a joke, right?
Then I saw it seems to actually be an NPC villain. And it all made sense. Nobody can make an edgelord-ier character than a storyteller DM's villain. 😂 (C.f. all WFRP)