MS Paint Adventures 7: At the Price of Oblivion

[super dark33]

There are going to be three Homestuck characters in the game. We just don't know who the non-Terezi ones are.

Probably Caliborn and one of the kids.

[Gez]

It's a dating sim with a few Homestuck characters? It has to have Nepeta and her shipping wall. She'd pop up regularly to tell you you're dating the wrong person, and you should instead try <other character>.

[Tectonic Robot]

Namco High is going to redefine existence itself.

[Aquillion]

There are going to be three Homestuck characters in the game. We just don't know who the non-Terezi ones are.

Note that all the Homestuck characters will be, basically, DLC (there's a free version and then you pay to add characters, and they're going to be paid characters.)

[geonova]

Hey, just posting to exclaim my love for HomeStuck, curse the GigaPause and add to the ever-growing list of people who want to kill Gamzee in the slowest, cruelest way they can imagine.

[Tectonic Robot]

Jane Crocker confirmed for second Homestuck character in Namco High.

And hello, geonova! Happy to have you here!

[Aquillion]

Jane Crocker confirmed for second Homestuck character in Namco High.

Really? Geh. Why her? I'm pretty sure she's the least popular of the B2 kids (and Roxy is the only really popular B2 kid, anyway. Though I guess I can see why they wouldn't use Roxy.)

Let's bet on the last one.

Probably Caliborn and one of the kids.

I don't think Caliborn is really an option, for one specific reason -- they're keeping the main character's gender ambiguous, and Caliborn's intense misogyny would make that difficult, because he'd react drastically differently depending on gender. (I guess they could do it by having him unable to determine the main character's gender, which would probably freak him out since it's such a big deal to him.)

I would assume Karkat... on one hand, having two trolls is a bit odd, but on the other hand, the trolls are one of the most distinctive parts of Homestuck, visually and thematically; the fact is that if you transplant John or one of the other kids to an ordinary school setting, they're going to be pretty ordinary, so it seems like a waste to have more than one.

Perhaps one of the Carapacians? The cast already has some really weird characters in it (including Donko and the Galaga ship), so really, WV or PM wouldn't be out of place at all. The fact that they don't talk using dialog would be a bit awkward, but there's ways around that. Jack Noir / Spades Slick would be amusing, too.

[Randomguy]

It probably won't be, but I hope it's Calliope. If anyone deserves a life in a less terrible universe, it's her.

[Draconi Redfir]

snowman/black queen would make a pretty good populer girl/teacher i think.

or the Condy as the principle... yesss..

[Randomguy]

THE LAST CHARACTER.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS
IT'S SO AWESOME:

Spoiler: LAST HOMESTUCK CHARACTER IN NAMCO HIGH

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IT'S DAVESPRITE.

Okay, I've calmed down a bit.
Anyway, the implications of this in terms of shipping are pretty overwhelming. I mean, Daverezi and DaveJane are both sorta kinda cannon ships. Now we get to see how Davesprite feels about all this. Also, it seems like this might cause some interaction between Terezi and Jane, which is good, because they haven't really spoken onscreen in cannon yet.

[memnarch]

THE LAST CHARACTER.
I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS
IT'S SO AWESOME:

Spoiler: LAST HOMESTUCK CHARACTER IN NAMCO HIGH

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IT'S DAVESPRITE.

Okay, I've calmed down a bit.
Anyway, the implications of this in terms of shipping are pretty overwhelming. I mean, Daverezi and DaveJane are both sorta kinda cannon ships. Now we get to see how Davesprite feels about all this. Also, it seems like this might cause some interaction between Terezi and Jane, which is good, because they haven't really spoken onscreen in cannon yet.

Spoiler: Talking in cannon huh?

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You mean like this?

[Randomguy]

That's odd... You used the same picture of a cannon as the one on the cover page for the tvtropes article on canon.

[Yuki Akuma]

That's odd... You used the same picture of a cannon as the one on the cover page for the tvtropes article on canon.

Not the same picture.

But it is the same cannon.

[memnarch]

That's odd... You used the same picture of a cannon as the one on the cover page for the tvtropes article on canon.

I'm not surprised there; it's one of the first images that show up when you google "big cannon".

[Devils_Advocate]

i wonder if Hussie is trying to tell us he's sick of doing homestuck and wants to just stop already.

"MSPA is not a day job for me. It is an all consuming lifestyle."

"All of MSPA has always been both an endeavor of artistic and storytelling growth as well as my primary recreational activity. Honestly there isn’t even a close second in terms of daily habits of personal enjoyment. Watching TV, reading, playing games, are all kind of boring in comparison."
--- Andrew Hussie

I strikes me as really, really unlikely that producing Homestuck has gone from Hussie's favorite thing to do to an unpleasant chore in the time since he last gave a response like that.

So, as it happens, around the time I posted that, AH made some kinda-related tweets:

"ppl lately seem to be convinced i am inundated by negativity from fans?? but rly, positive stuff outnumbers all that by factor of 100 easily"
"i don't respond to much of it, because it is too copious, and at times overwhelming. but it's always appreciated."

It's kinda weird for me to imagine other people thinking of Hussie as NOT being in a perpetual nigh-manic state throughout all waking hours. (And I'm not convinced it turns off when he sleeps.) I'm not sure that they appreciate how much content he produces. This is not the output of an unmotivated person.

But maybe I have a more informed perspective on this than most. Not that I want to make this discussion about me, but perhaps you've noticed that my contributions to these threads tend to be infrequent but lengthy. Or maybe you haven't. Regardless, the first part of that is because I feel pretty lethargic a lot of the time. It's during my relatively brief stretches of enthusiasm that I catch up on everything.

Like, look at the length of my previous post and this one. They contain a quantity of communication you'd expect from a Light player, right? Well, the ratio of Hussie's output to that of normal webcomic artists and writers is comparable to the ratio of my copious amounts of text to the comments of normal participants in this thread. Except for him it's not over the course of a particularly good day or week for him, it's over the course of the time since Homestuck started. Nay, longer!

Now, there are several possible ways to REACT to that. One could feel grateful for Andrew's tireless efforts for his audience's benefit, or envious of his unflagging energy, or critical of how he spends so much time*, or any number of things. But in order to even be able to react to it, first you have to recognize how impressed you should be.

And y'all better recognize.

* Doubtless some readers would prefer he emphasize quantity less in favor of quality. I know Hussie has talked about a deliberate emphasis on producing everything FAST, FAST, FAST, and any given panel being totally allowed to suck. (The level of quality given this approach is fairly astounding.)

Nice megapost, mate.

The problem with putting off responding to this thread for so long is that everything I have to say winds up being a pretty long post, which people are then more likely to skim or skip reading, which defeats the point of point of posting in the first place.

FCG: NO ONE'S GOING TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS, ALL THE VALUABLE INFORMATION IS JUST GETTING LOST IN THE YELLING.

It's hard dealing with the consequences of procrastination. It's hard, and nearly everyone understands. :(

I honestly hardly remember how that discussion came about, or how it came from my complaint about how cherub physiology prevented them from making meaningful choices.

That's because it didn't! I don't even remember you making that complaint. Could you explain your view on the matter, complete with an explanation of what you mean by "choice" and "meaningful" in this context?

Episemic is an interesting word choice. I looked it up, assuming it has something to do with temporal workings, and found: Of, relating to, or involving knowledge; cognitive. Interesting.

"Epistemic". With a "t". Also, "epistemic possibility" and "temporal possibility" are established terminology, so don't go crediting me for coming up with any of that. I just read Wikipedia. (Not that I'm "merely" a philosopher-pedant autodidact, as if that weren't an awesome thing to be. I'm simply pointing out that I'm in the excellent habit of reviewing the work that has already gone into making various distinctions, rather than reinventing the proverbial wheel. Dig what I'm saying?)

sorry mate, thats past me, not even going to dignify any of that with a response, different mindset now

Well, I'd be interested in an explanation of your current attitudes, if you'd care to elaborate on those instead. You seem to have a special way of forming opinions on what happens in stories, or at least one intriguingly unfamiliar to me. Perhaps your perspective is common in other circles you frequent.

Is there anywhere I can go for a primer on the critical theory you were espousing, or whatever? I tried Googling "FEELS", but I couldn't find anything on the merits of feels. Not that I looked super hard.

Though I did see the phrase "emotion porn" in a Cracked.com article I read recently...

... Actually, I think that this may be a thing that Yahtzee talked about in his review of Spec Ops:

Spec Ops: The Line is one of those pleasant surprises that comes along every now and again, a video game story that really got to me, giving me genuine feelings of weariness, guilt, and actual physical sickness. Fun, fun, fun!

Going back to what I was saying earlier, while fun is a defining factor of video games, it's not universal, because there are horror games that induce fear and depression for the emotional high.

Now, that's definitely an interesting comparison that I think maybe helps me to understand the psychological differences at work, because I don't like horror either, because I don't appreciate feeling scared. There came a point where I decided to just stop reading RubyQuest*, because while I was kind of invested in the story, it was getting way too disturbing for me, and it was clear that if anything it was only going to go downhill. But for other people... uphill?

Come to think of it, this also reminds me of Scott Adams writing about how some people like sad movies enough to buy them so that they can watch them multiple times, whenever they want, and his inability to relate to this, because for him, there's no difference between feeling sad and feeling bad.

Does that seem like it at least probably gets pretty close to a major difference in personal preference that's the source of the disconnect here?

*notable for popularizing audience-participation comics à la Jailbreak on /tg/

Well that was a pretty damned short eternity.

Eh, I look a lot less unkindly upon standard ridiculous hyperbole that misrepresents oneself rather than others. Anyway, let's not take people to task for things said by their past selves. I'm pretty sure there's a relevant aphorism about glass houses and stones.

well your brain Dirk anyways, so your just as smart as Jake, and…thats not saying much, to be honest.

You don't realize that Brain Ghost Dirk is actually much smarter than Jake because Jake's subconscious mind is way smarter than him because of Page B.S.

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GT: And how can you really be made of only my thoughts when i dont even know what youre talking about sometimes?
GT: Or when i didnt know some of the things youre telling me? Like about being in a dream bubble?
GT: How can i tell myself about that stuff through brain ghost dirk!
TT: Who says you don't know those things on some level?
GT: I dont think i do!
GT: I have no business knowing those things.
TT: Pages have a lot of untapped potential.
TT: That's practically all there is to the class, actually.

But I realized it. Because it's obvious and couldn't possibly be more clear.

Or maybe PM just has the same bec-affection to Jade as Jack does.

Well, of course she does. Doesn't that go without saying, since Jack only had that from a prototyping that now applies equally to PM?

Unless you think that Jack is more susceptible to feelings of love and loyalty than PM. (That was rhetorical. Of course you don't think that. Or at least I don't think you're that crazy. :P)

I think the asterixes were to emphasize. Like he always *did* only a *********lot********* more.

This is obvious in retrospect, but I initially misinterpreted it as well. I guess it's too long to immediately read all at once, so I naturally started interpreting before I could even see that the asterisks were surrounding a word.

Like, how LOUD do you even have to SHOUT to WARRANT that much EMPHASIS...

I wonder if the queen has a shipping grid? A matriorb isn't enough for her; she needs living trolls who can provide genetic material. (Which means, come to think of it, that she does need as many trolls as possible to survive -- I'd assumed they were spare to her plans, but they're not. She also needs their cooperation.)

She can produce living trolls using ectobiology. She's done it before, presumably using genetic samples harvested from her homeworld. The problem was that her lusus killed them all.

Karkat is a mutant, but his relationship to the troll patterns places him firmly into green territory.

I'm curious just what you mean by this. Yeah, Karkat is listed fourth on Trollian and so on, because of the whole zodiac thing or because his text color is visually closest to Nepeta's if you want an in-universe explanation. But he's not a midblood (or a highblood). Surely he's a lowblood if any of those categories even apply to him.

Just... "green territory"? His blood, as we know, is bright red, and obviously you're not talking about him literally being located in a green area, so... are you just talking about the order the trolls are listed in? Although that in no way makes him a midblood at all? And even though his gray is in between yellow and green, rather than between the two greens, and thus not firmly into green territory, but more like on the edge of it? Unless you consider mustard yellow to be green???

Tsk, just LOOK at all of these surprise noodles.

I just have to wonder how their "good but not great" ranking will fly with Condie.

I think it's pretty clear that she wants to reestablish the previous social order, which included all of the blood castes except for limebloods. Why would she not want an entire hierarchy of lessers to boss around, including both a bunch of pliable short-lived chumps with sweet superpowers and several layers of middle management and bureacracy to do all of the boring stuff involve in running an empire?

Of course, having all of the superpowers (All of them) herself gives her less need for lowbloods, but it also means that keeping them in line becomes a lot easier. And it's not like she wants to restore her civilization to its approximate previous state based on practical, non-sentimental reasons anyhow. See: her forcing her human subjects to do things like trolls even though they're no good at it and this is generally horrible for them.

On the other hand, it's pretty clear that she's not about to hand out positions of influence to just anyone based on seniority:

JADE: if you are obedient and complete the tasks you are assigned, you may have a place in the empire among the subservient classes

It's not clear that the Empress knows Karkat is a mutant, but regardless, it's entirely possible that she doesn't/wouldn't care all that much. Sure, Karkat could have been killed for his blood color on Alternia, but trolls on Alternia could also be killed for being disabled, not watering their lawns, or pretty much any damn thing, really. It's pretty safe to assume that all crimes were punishable by death and that pretty much everything that those in power disliked was a crime, because the dominant Alternian culture actively discouraged valuing the lives and the liberty of others and highbloods in particular were taught that the higher should cruelly exploit the lower.

But that doesn't at all mean that every crime was a serious offense. The Empress publicly encouraging everybody to kill trolls for something probably didn't strongly influence her Empire all that much in most cases, because most edicts weren't enforced anything like rigorously. They just outlined things that one might want to avoid doing, or keep hidden, in order to stay on good terms with the power structure. But you could totally get away with them by making dealing with you more trouble than it was worth. Or by being valuable:

KARKAT: BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IMPOSSIBLE FOR ME TO MAKE THE CUT, BECAUSE OF MY BLOOD. SO I USED TO THINK OF ALL THESE ELABORATE SCENARIOS TO HIDE MY BLOOD COLOR. OR IN THE MORE RIDICULOUS FANTASIES, MAYBE I COULD EVEN PROVE MY WORTH AS A SOLDIER? LIKE JUST BE SO AWESOME WITH A SICKLE, THEY WOULD JUST HAVE TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION. MAYBE EVEN BE LIKE A FOLK HERO AND RISE THROUGH THE RANKS TO BECOME THE LEADER. HAHA.

kinda hoping the trolls go along with any societal rebuilding plans the condy might have, i mean yeah by human standards she's a bit of a dink, but she's still their queen, and as karkat said Alternia was still home.

KARKAT: SHE WANTS US ALL TO GET A NICE HEAD START ON OUR DECADENT NEW LIFE OF SLAVERY PROMISED FOR US ON YOUR SCALE MODEL OF ALTERNIEARTH.
KARKAT: THAT SOUNDS SUPER! DOESN'T THAT SOUND SUPER KANAYA?
KANAYA: No
KARKAT: I THINK I SPEAK FOR KANAYA WHEN I SAY IT SOUNDS Really ****ing Super.
KARKAT: HOW DO WE GET STARTED??? I AM JUST BEFOULING MY ALREADY-PUNGENT DRAWERS OVER THE OPPORTUNITY TO GET DOWN TO BUSINESS AND START DOING SLAVERY!

plus rebuilding the species was kind of part of Kanaya's plan back in the day right?

Well, there are (canon fan)trolls in... can we just call it "Universe C" now? Yes, let's do that. So that's a thing that's going to happen, unless Aranea succeeds in dooming that timeline or whatever.

well whenever i call Gamzee purple people think i think he's a seadweller so whatever. replace "indigoblood" with "whatever the nuts Gamzee's caste is" then.

But... his color really is indigo...

Equius is indigo, Gamzee is purple, Eridan is violet, according to coloUrs and mayhem.

Indigo is a deep blue. Violet is a rich, redder purple.

"Indigo was totally just added to the rainbow so it would have 7 colors and make that “ROY G. BIV” acronym work, just like you always suspected. It should really be ROY GBP, with maybe a C or T thrown in there between G and B depending on how the spectrum was converted to RGB."
--- xkcd Color Survey Results

Welcome to the wild and wacky world of color names, where a single term can have two or more different specific meanings!

I'm pretty sure that Isaac Newton is responsible for popularizing "indigo" as a color term by dividing the visible spectrum up into red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet. Which seems reasonable enough, no? But the problem is that people decided that "blue" means indigo per Newton and "violet" is just another word for purple, and thus thought that since "indigo" means "the color between blue and violet" that it refers to the color between indigo and purple, e.g. violet, disregarding the semantic context of the definition of "indigo", and the actual color of indigo dye. So now "indigo" seems to be most commonly used to refer to dark violet, which is Gamzee's blood color. Which is like using "orange" to refer to bright red even though oranges are orange.

When used to distinguish between different hues, "violet" normally refers to, well, violet, the spectral color, and "purple" refers to, well, purple. A true purple is redder than violet, not vice versa. But Homestuck apparently uses the terms in the precise opposite fashion. Possibly purely to mess with us.

Which just goes to show how easily this sort of confusion is created. When there's no strong consensus on the proper use of a term, people seem to generally just pick whichever standard they like best, or just make up their own standard based on how they think the term should be used. It certainly doesn't help that many people may be unaware that there are actually multiple competing definitions.

(This is a problem that extends far beyond color terminology, of course. I once saw an online debate break out over the "real" meaning of the word "respect", for example. Even though there were several people on both sides of the debate, the participants mostly seemed unwilling to accept that the word actually has two distinct definitions -- as though the argument would even happen if the word weren't used in two quite different ways!)

Calliope actually plays with exactly this sort of semantic ambiguity, conflating her blood color with a troll blood color because "lime" can be used to refer to a rather bright green as well as to a considerably darker yellow-green, even though they're really quite distinct from each other.

Do you guys think that the secret project he mentioned is the Namco dating sim thing?

GA: Sorry I Thought That Was Obvious

So are bizarre dating sims officially a thing? Like, a genre? Or a subgenre at least?

Because, if so: AWESOME.

(The great thing about Hatoful Boyfriend is that maybe 20% of its total weirdness comes from the premise. Just take a moment to let that sink in.)

There are going to be three Homestuck characters in the game.

The man who brought us canon troll pirate erotica now brings us a canon high school AU. Sort of.

I'm not sure there's anything Hussie could do to surprise me at this point. At least, I doubt he could surprise me with how much he can surprise me again. (Maybe this didn't strike others as coming so out of nowhere, but I seem to recall my reaction to him proposing to Vriska was to exclaim aloud "WHAT. WHAT THE WHATTING WHAT?" So that would be kinda hard to beat.)

Note that all the Homestuck characters will be, basically, DLC (there's a free version and then you pay to add characters, and they're going to be paid characters.)

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Really? Geh. Why her?

I feel like Jane's whole detective thing never got much of a chance to be explored all that much in Homestuck. Although that could be said about a lot of things about a lot of characters.

Perhaps one of the Carapacians? The cast already has some really weird characters in it (including Donko and the Galaga ship), so really, WV or PM wouldn't be out of place at all. The fact that they don't talk using dialog would be a bit awkward, but there's ways around that. Jack Noir / Spades Slick would be amusing, too.

Darn it, this kind of got my hopes up. Now I feel a bit disappointed that I won't get a chance to romance DD.

Not that the third pick isn't a good one, not at all. I know that a lot of readers have taken a kind of a strong interest in him, I think mostly because he's sort of a tragic figure in a way.

[Lord Raziere]

my gods, that post is so long and I don't even remember what I was arguing about. I forget, so I forgive you for whatever you said, its all water under the bridge, not going to beat a dead horse...

[Devils_Advocate]

Whoops, missed one thing I wanted to reply to.

So we've got a potentul Dave/Jane and John/Roxy. They'll be dating one annother's moms.

Don't think Jade/Dirk would be able to happen though. and Jake/Rose is unlikely as well as Jake appears turned off from all forms of relaitionship for the moment.

I would think the fact that Rose and Kanaya are still an item would be rather more of an obstacle. I mean, yeah, they went through sort of a rough patch recently, but Rose asked if Kanaya was going to break up with her and Kanaya said no. With thirty exclamation points! That's a lot!

Their matespritship didn't ever stop being a thing is what I'm saying.

Karkat is listed fourth on Trollian and so on, because of the whole zodiac thing or because his text color is visually closest to Nepeta's if you want an in-universe explanation. But he's not a midblood (or a highblood). Surely he's a lowblood if any of those categories even apply to him.

INCIDENTALLY, I've noticed that a lot of Homestuck fanart places Karkat first, like so:

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And it makes a certain amount of sense to put grey at the start of the dark rainbow (Why did you leave out Nepeta, Wikipedia? :(( ) because it's not part of the spectrum, and Karkat is the first troll we see contact one of the kids and the first one we're introduced to.

But it also makes sense in terms of Karkat's blood color. Because while he's officially "not on the hemospectrum", that outcast status effectively places him "below" Aradia socially, and his blood color is closest to hers as well. In a way he's the opposite of Feferi, who's really just as much a mutant as him, with an extremely rare, redder variation on a more common blood color. It's just that the troll's social structure places her next in line to the throne and Karkat... well, y'know.

Some fanart also associates Karkat with bright red, which is inconsistent with how he's always associated with gray in the comic.

my gods, that post is so long and I don't even remember what I was arguing about.

Um, well, you weren't arguing in the post I quoted, nor was I arguing in my response to you.

I forget, so I forgive you for whatever you said,

OK, so I find this pretty puzzling, to be perfectly honest. My working theory is that you assume I previously said something bad based on a perception that my response to you above is an attempt to make amends. But I'm not really sure. I think I may be missing some sort of context for this.

You're kind of perplexing, anyone ever tell you that? Like a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped an enigma. "Oh, the curiosity. How it persists. The maddening, maddening curiosity."

ANYway, and yet on the same topic, I was just interested in the differences in how people react to stories, and why you want to feel sad about things if that is indeed a thing that you want, or what your deal is if not.

its all water under the bridge, not going to beat a dead horse...

Um. Has this become an uncomfortable topic for you? I wasn't trying to restart an argument about anything, but if you don't want to talk about any of this, that's fine. I didn't mean to bug you about it.

[memnarch]

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Um. Has this become an uncomfortable topic for you? I wasn't trying to restart an argument about anything, but if you don't want to talk about any of this, that's fine. I didn't mean to bug you about it.

I think it's more that your first post on the page has at least 2548 words in it and covers nearly 5 and a half pages in a word document.

[Lord Raziere]

Um, well, you weren't arguing in the post I quoted, nor was I arguing in my response to you.

OK, so I find this pretty puzzling, to be perfectly honest. My working theory is that you assume I previously said something bad based on a perception that my response to you above is an attempt to make amends. But I'm not really sure. I think I may be missing some sort of context for this.

You're kind of perplexing, anyone ever tell you that? Like a riddle wrapped in a mystery wrapped an enigma. "Oh, the curiosity. How it persists. The maddening, maddening curiosity."

Um. Has this become an uncomfortable topic for you? I wasn't trying to restart an argument about anything, but if you don't want to talk about any of this, that's fine. I didn't mean to bug you about it.

I now remember the original thing being about some sort of reaction to Jade dying? that feels stupid in retrospect. ignore that, past me and such, yea, it is kind of uncomfortable since I'm so far removed from the original thing now, I don't see the point or really share that view with myself anymore.

and I'm perplexing? yay! it means I'm not trapped in any labels, which means I'm an individual! for labels is categorization, and categorization leads to groupings, which leads to conformity, which means individuality is only within the unknown. thats why light is associated with order you see, for knowledge reveals and sorts things into other things.

but at the same time, one must have knowledge of self to be oneself. which sort of means individuality is a mix of chaos and order, but a mix that leads to more chaos. or maybe my mind has been touched by fae. no thats stupid, fae don't exist, but it would be awesome if they could.

but yes, chaos is known for being perplexing, because knowledge is order, and confusion is chaos. or maybe I just have a weird order, but is there any difference?

but maybe I shouldn't be so happy that I'm perplexing. that probably won't get me far socially here. hrm. but then I have a tendency for the dramatic, but what does that have to do with anything? the explanation that I'm a writer, and writers are more like a bunch of people trying to be one person could be the explanation, but is that true? I don't know, I don't know.

but I'm babbling now. my thought processes aren't really understandable to myself half the time. I just do what I like to do. if I'm an enigma for doing so, then I guess thats what I am. I can't really explain why I am enigma after all, because I don't know myself. I just found right now after all.

[AgentPaper]

But I'm babbling now. my thought processes aren't really understandable to myself half the time. I just do what I like to do. if I'm an enigma for doing so, then I guess thats what I am. I can't really explain why I am enigma after all, because I don't know myself. I just found right now after all.

I won't tell you to conform to anything, but I'd highly recommend trying to be more aware of your own thoughts, and why you're having them. If you don't, then trying to fit in socially is going to lead either to unnecessary friction as you just act however you like, or you'll lose sight of yourself and just conform to whatever everyone else wants you to be. If you know yourself and what makes you you, then you can temper yourself to fit in without compromising your core beliefs.

[Randomguy]

So apparently there's a mysterious flashlight girl involved with the homestuck adventure game now. Anyone know anything about that?

[Sigh]

So apparently there's a mysterious flashlight girl involved with the homestuck adventure game now. Anyone know anything about that?

People that backed the Kickstarter (like myself) got treated to an update that basically assured everyone that things were coming along smoothly, listed what the game would and would not be about, and near the end posted one of the characters that we'd be able to play as (as well as some other goodies tucked away in the corners of the screen) I'll put the image in a spoiler on the off chance that someone doesn't want to see it.

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[Pokonic]

People that backed the Kickstarter (like myself) got treated to an update that basically assured everyone that things were coming along smoothly, listed what the game would and would not be about, and near the end posted one of the characters that we'd be able to play as (as well as some other goodies tucked away in the corners of the screen) I'll put the image in a spoiler on the off chance that someone doesn't want to see it.

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Heh, can't tell if that's a adult troll or a crockercorp drone, but that thing in the bottom looks crazy nasty.

[unbeliever536]

Also of note: the apparently GLORIOUSLY COMPLECATED plot chart on the right.

[Sigh]

Also of note: the apparently GLORIOUSLY COMPLECATED plot chart on the right.

It says Game Locations in the title header. Interesting...

[Tectonic Robot]

Anyone consider this a decent Gamzee voice?

[The Mormegil]

Is it bad that I really want Gamzee to die slowly and painfully now?

He's by far my least favorite character and I'm so tired of him being unkillable and unbeatable.

He's got a strange codpiece (probably a juju). He's sure to survive this because he's in Caliborn's past and Alpha timeline deviations suck. But I wonder.

He's "the most important character in Homestuck". He is present in Caliborn's SESSION. Not just his past. Why is he there? What is he doing? Keeping an eye on Caliborn? Like he really needs one. Also, Caliborn hates clowns. Why did Lord English honk? It could be destiny and that weird clown prophecy. It could be that Gamzee doesn't die as part of a strange joke. But then why did Kurtzu die? Gamzee seems to be protected by some form of unlimited immortality...

I think Gamzee is part of Lord English. There's going to be some kind of twist in Caliborn's session, and the only thing that seems really out of place is Gamzee. Also Caliborn being Lord English isn't complex enough. I think something weird is going to happen in that session and both Caliborn and Gamzee will get powers out of it. If that is true, the Gamzee present in the B2 session could very well be already powered up, and have time traveled through the dream bubbles. That would also explain how he managed to get there before everyone else, which doesn't really make any sense. Let's face it, so many things about Gamzee don't make any goddamn sense.

Also, he's hands down the least likable member of the entire cast. As many others said, f*ck that guy. He's the only one that has no redeeming qualities, not even coolness (he's a honking bard!), he's responsible for the death (or ruin) of clear crowd favorites, he's involved with the big bad and out of place and mysterious, and he's crossed the moral event horizon for evil comic relief a few too many times. Everything about him screams BBEG. But, I don't think there's space for one more bad guy after English. So I think he's part of English. I can see a way that could make sense, and it would deliver appropriate satisfaction as a resolution for his current plotline.

[Lord Raziere]

well he is the Bard of RAGE, and Lord English does seem to be constantly angry forever and ever....

[Darkpaladin109]

But then why did Kurloz die?

Fixed that for you. Also Kurloz wasn't a clown he was a mime. That's propably why he died.

[Lateral]

Hey, so what's the first usage of 'all the X all of them?' The first example I can think of is on Sollux's introduction page, before Vriska was even introduced.