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2016-07-24, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-24, 10:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Paladins gain spells naturally. The only reason they wouldn't is if they have specific ACF's that replace spellcasting. Since we have no evidence she has one of these few very specific ACF's and we definitely have no evidence of a Prestige Class, the only suitable answer we do have evidence for is that she gains her spells from her Paladin levels.
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2016-07-24, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-24, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
For Lien and O-Chul all Hinjo says in 671 is that they have gained a few levels where he hasn't - but he doesn't state that they are higher level than he is.
For example if Lien and O-Chul have leveled up twice but have chosen feats/skills/attribute points etc that are appropraite in a post-Azure city world where Hinjo is still with his build focused for leadership of a city and fighting with alongside multiple paladins or with an army than they might still be behind him but better capable of undertaking the mission.
Just dubious on if 671 is enough to justify stating that a certainty with regard to their minimum levels.
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2016-07-24, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
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2016-07-24, 06:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Levels in fighter actually - but I am not sure what that has to do with my point.
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2016-07-24, 07:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
While possible, I think the implication that the levels gained make Lien and O-Chul higher than Hinjo is the most straightforward one. After all, Hinjo is also younger than either of them, and as I understand it, that would give them more time to adventure and gain levels.
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2016-07-24, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
But Hinjo was the second most powerful paladin in The Sapphire Guard (#409), after Miko. Which means Lien and O-Chul used to be weaker then him (regardless of age). It's only after the fall of the city that he stops leveling because he leads, while they can adventure.
That does mean that at some point Lien and O-Chul are going to be higher level. I am not sure if that is around #671 but that makes the most sense. And they are surely now around #1031.Last edited by Yanisa; 2016-07-24 at 11:20 PM.
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2016-07-24, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-25, 01:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-25, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
There's something weird during the phantasm but that's at most a hint for later.
Xykon* says that he felt a hit and he guesses Roy took his advice and leveled up.
This comes directly from Roy's mind because he's the only one who knows that Xykon told him that. And the green effect already triggered a lot against Xykon while fighting on the dragon.
So why would Roy believe that Xykon felt that hit more than during AC's fight if he's actually lower level than before?
I wouldn't be surprised if he actually was higher level than during AC's fight and that his complain in #990 would be exagerated.
On another hand, at level 15, he should get another attack during a full attack...Posting from France
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2016-07-25, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Because it's a self-agrandizing fantasy, and therefore despite all available evidence, Roy wants to believe that if he fought Xykon, he'd make a bigger impact on Xykon than he did the last time. That despite everything else, he will roll nothing but 20s to hit, or max damage rolls, or the like, and that this time, this time, Xykon will remember who he is, and why he's fighting him.
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2016-07-25, 02:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Perhaps he knows his belt of giant strength would increase his melee damage? He got it on the Western Continent, after the Battle for Azure City, after all.
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2016-07-25, 03:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
The next time, Xykon won't be able to shatter Roy's sword. The problem is that the first time he met Xykon (in #112), Durkon has enchanted the sword by Disruption, which would cause one hit to utterly destroy Xykon. The next time, he might not have that opportunity, because Durkon is busy with other business, and there's no other high-level cleric available.
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2016-07-25, 05:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-07-26, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-01, 07:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
In the strip where the Mind Flayer evaluates each member of the party, it is obvious that Roy is a much better meal than Varsuvius. I always thought that Roy started out with an Int of 18 and V with 17. As they progressed in levels, V has undoubtedly gotten well past Int 20, and Roy put his increases into strength.
This would be funny to have a party where the fighter has a higher Int than the wizard. It would also be consistent with Roy getting his Int from his dad. And Roy has always displayed a pretty high innate intelligence in the comic (although I admit this is all plot driven). Plus, it does take some pretty high intelligence in the real world to get an MBA, and I assume the same would be true of a graduate degree in their world. So Roy's Masters in Battle Administration also supports my pet theory.
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2016-08-01, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-01, 10:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-02, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Can we assume that Belkar has 'Skill: Search 1+' he seems to be assisting Haley here (and she references him as 'we've').
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2016-08-02, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-02, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-02, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-05, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Considering some of the sources which have been taken at face value for this thread, Miko's word in this context is a bastion of truth, knowledge and the paladin way.
At the same time, once the first Paladin level is taken, they must focus on Paladin levels or never be able to add more, ja? (Both Miko and O'Chul started as something else and multiclassed into Paladin). It's unlikely that either Lien or O'Chul will have taken levels in anything else post-Azure City as a result, as someone else sugggested.
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2016-08-09, 05:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-09, 06:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
Are we going strictly by game mechanics and explicit in-comic statements when determining alignment? Because if not, I'd say the latest comic is evidence that Eugene is no longer LG. I can't see someone with that alignment being okay with the deaths of everyone on the planet just so he can get into the afterlife. He still has reservations about the Dwarves being enslaved to Hel, so I wouldn't say he's all the way to evil, but LN seems about right.
EDIT: Never mind, I see my question is answered in the FAQ. We'll probably have to wait until the blood oath is fulfilled to see if the Deva lets him into the LG afterlife.Last edited by Gitman00; 2016-08-09 at 06:08 PM.
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2016-08-10, 02:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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If you want to be extra nitpicky, I'm not even sure whether his actions post-mortem actually get weighed, or whether he'll only be judged on how he acted before he died. If it weren't, as you noted, a moot point we could probably get into a good argument on the subject...
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2016-08-11, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-08-11, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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2016-09-01, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIV - We are the Geek Pantheon
I think we've yet to see proof, but it's possible that going through enough of those dungeons has enabled Redcloak to go up a level or even two.