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2011-09-01, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Isn't that weird...
Soon found about the rifts in his diplomatic mission to Elven Lands. But, there is a rift in his homeland...
What should we expect from this? A crazy coincidence, or is there something wrong with this story?Spoiler
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2011-09-01, 06:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-01, 06:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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A tiny rift (I know what the Giant said recently, but that doesn't change the description of the size.), Hinjo said the rift was small enough to be sealed by a sapphire, probably can't be seen up in the sky that far.
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2011-09-01, 10:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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He built Azure city around the rift, there's no reason to think that was his homeland before he settled the city there.
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2011-09-01, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 01:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 02:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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I actually didn't know what the Giant had said about the Gate recently. So I had a looksee, and I'm glad I did.
Here is a link to the post for people who are curious to know more about just what was going on with Soon's Gate and the Sapphire.
ETA: In that post, he also mentioned that the Gate itself is "about the size of a raisin". And since the Gate itself is larger than the Rift, that must mean that the Rift itself was smaller than a raisin.
Now I ask you, how many people would actually notice a extremely small tear in the sky of that size? Even if they were directly looking right at it?
Not many, I'd gather. And even then I'd suspect that most people would dismiss it as a trick of the light or something Not Exactly Earth Shattering.Last edited by Porthos; 2011-09-02 at 02:35 AM.
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2011-09-02, 07:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 09:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sometimes, things really can be just a coincidence.
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2011-09-02, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 10:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 11:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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My bet is that Rich just thought, "it would make for a lot of interesting plot points to have one of the gates be embedded in the throne of a castle in a city."
Storytelling is weird. Entertaining the reader trumps most other considerations be they bending the rules of the Game or reality.
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2011-09-02, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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They also don't look down. Which is why ground based booby traps, and things that fall from above are the most common ways to suprise people in bad ways. I was lucky, my father was a paranoid ex Marine. I learned by the age of 6 to ALWAYS look up and down while walking. Or else. People still comment on it, actually, because I notice odd things in the ceiling and on the floor.
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2011-09-02, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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I suppose it's not as much coincidence, as plot necessity.
The only way in which Azure City could become a battleground in the OOTS-Team Evil struggle, was either having a Rift over it, or having been built around one. Since it's stablished that Azure City was an ancient bastion of Good, the only option was to have a rift already hovering over it.
Of course, Soon could have come from any other city in the world, and only settle in Azure City after assuming the defense of it's Rift. However, a) Soon wouldn't have managed to link the Shappire Guard with the Political Power of the City that fast being a foreigner, neither achieve enough political pull to push Azure City into a genocidal crusade agains all goblinoids if he had lacked already some degree of relation with the politics of the City. And b) Soon being a foreigner in Azure City would mean that either Soon or Azure City would have had to scrap the jap-influenced style. Things wouldn't have blend so well that way.
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2011-09-02, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't say that. In this particular case it's central to the plot and could have been planned. Mooncat's point illustrates stuff that are simple random coincidences in the story and with no serious meaning. Then we have «coincidences» with a purpose. We have many examples of «coincidences» in the story that are not random, they are important to quicken the pace of the story, favor the economy of the plot, and increase dramatic tension. What was the chance that Roy would meet Ian in the jail? Or that Elan's father is the one imprisoning Haley's father?
The classic example is in Oedipus Rex. The guy coming to inform about his «parents» death was the one who found him when he was abandoned by his real parents.Avatar: ruthless Parson (Erfworld).
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2011-09-02, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Giant already answered my original question. We are talking about something very different.
I guess, if we are talking about fiction, there is two different kind of coincidences: real coincidences (random), and in-story coincidences (part of the god/destiny/author's big plan).Spoiler
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2011-09-02, 01:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-02, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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