Mythos Homebrew Discussion II: Where Simplicity Goes to Die

**GreaserFish** · 2015-11-09, 05:15 PM (ISO 8601)

Wasn't it stated somewhere that magic, as mortals understand it, is a creation of the Lawgivers?

**Kymme** · 2015-11-09, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by khadgar567

solid as admantine but did you check magus from pathfinder?

I'm very familiar with the Magus class, and I don't really want this class to play like them. Magi still use Vancian magic, which is a degree of rigid and inflexible that I don't want to saddle this class with.

Originally Posted by Primal Fury

Where does the narrative of the wizard come from, Titan or Lawgiver?

I hadn't really thought about what I wanted their patron to be, but I think that a Lawgiver would be appropriate. Perhaps an ancient Lawgiver called the Magician, defeated by the shining nameless hero who would one day become the Sun?

Originally Posted by Lanth Sor

Lawgiver makes more sense to me as wizards are manipulators of forces and scientists of magic. I'd see the Mythic Sorcerer as the Titan as they are more primal in nature. But then again Design is a Titan and s/he created the bipedal design.

Yeah, the Mythic Sorcerer would probably tap into the Mythic Lamia's stuff, too.

Originally Posted by GreaserFish

Wasn't it stated somewhere that magic, as mortals understand it, is a creation of the Lawgivers?

Welp, that ties it all together. Some great Lawgiver called The Magician could be the Mythic Patron of this class.

**Primal Fury** · 2015-11-09, 05:52 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kymme

Yeah, the Mythic Sorcerer would probably tap into the Mythic Lamia's stuff, too.

God I hope not.

Anyway, before we have to make the new thread, I've a question for you guys. The Fylakas has an ability called "Chronodistortion" meaning that, whenever they use their mythos, they become more and more desynchronized from the local time stream. At early levels of desynchronization, it might even seem like a boon, granting them bonuses to attack and defense, and imposing a miss chance on attacks against them. As time goes on, however, they start suffering because of this. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to hammer this out. What happens when one is desync'd from the local time stream that might be mechanically interesting enough to add as a core class ability?

**DracoDei** · 2015-11-09, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)

Is whoever is going to be making the new thread ready to do that when the time comes? Seems like "now" would be a good time...

Originally Posted by Primal Fury

God I hope not.

Anyway, before we have to make the new thread, I've a question for you guys. The Fylakas has an ability called "Chronodistortion" meaning that, whenever they use their mythos, they become more and more desynchronized from the local time stream. At early levels of desynchronization, it might even seem like a boon, granting them bonuses to attack and defense, and imposing a miss chance on attacks against them. As time goes on, however, they start suffering because of this. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how to hammer this out. What happens when one is desync'd from the local time stream that might be mechanically interesting enough to add as a core class ability?

All of the above bonuses applying to attacks against them?

"Zoning Out" (random daze effect)?

Randomly vanishing from existence? Starts at losing 10 points of initiative, then going to skipping a full round (but can't be attacked during that time) to d3->d4->d6->d8->1d12->3d4 rounds and then starting the cycle over with d2 minutes?

Actually, initiative penalties could be good just by themselves if the class itself doesn't make them too easy to negate.

At the lowest levels, simply being unable to keep track of time innately might work... like you have no idea how long you have been doing something. You get hungry and thirsty and tired all at the same unpredictable rate, so you can't even use those biological clues (nor excretion)
to keep track.

Actually come to that, suddenly having your magic helmet pop off because your hair grew 3 feet in 3 seconds could be entertaining... or suddenly getting sores from your medium/heavy armor because you have been wearing it for weeks.

This is much harder fluff to turn into crunch than the above suggestions, but I like it:
There senses becoing desynchronized from eachother, so that they hear what it one round in advance, act in the "now", and their vision is shifted a few seconds into the past, smelling what was around them a month ago, while their sense of touch is as per what they would feel at their CURRENT location a week ago?

**Primal Fury** · 2015-11-09, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by DracoDei

All of the above bonuses applying to attacks against them?

No, just the miss chance.

"Zoning Out" (random daze effect)?

That would be a good explanation for seeing into the future. Some mythos (in my head) require you to be at a certain level of desynchronization.

Randomly vanishing from existence? Starts at losing 10 points of initiative, then going to skipping a full round (but can't be attacked during that time) to d3->d4->d6->d8->1d12->3d4 rounds and then starting the cycle over with d2 minutes?

I like this.

Actually, initiative penalties could be good just by themselves if the class itself doesn't make them too easy to negate.

I haven't quite decided yet.

At the lowest levels, simply being unable to keep track of time innately might work... like you have no idea how long you have been doing something. You get hungry and thirsty and tired all at the same unpredictable rate, so you can't even use those biological clues (nor excretion) to keep track.

I like this, but I need to find a way to jigger it into mechanics.

This is much harder fluff to turn into crunch than the above suggestions, but I like it: *snip*

So do I. This might turn out pretty cool.

**DracoDei** · 2015-11-09, 09:05 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Primal Fury

No, just the miss chance.

Err... we have a failure to communicate. Turning it around was one of my ideas for a drawback you could add.

**Primal Fury** · 2015-11-09, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by DracoDei

Err... we have a failure to communicate. Turning it around was one of my ideas for a drawback you could add.

Hm... You don't think that applying the miss chance is enough? You think I should apply the bonuses as well? Like... While benefiting from this you might seem to move at increased speed, but if you're on the receiving end, you might appear to move in slow motion. Something like that?

**spwack** · 2015-11-10, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)