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Thread: Elan's Secret Plan
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2012-05-02, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Elan's Secret Plan
Could it be that Elan tries to bring in his mother somehow against Tarquin?
He got his "I got it!" when Roy was talking about "finding good in family" and there's only one other good person in Elan's family.
We also know that Tarquin was not the one who left his mother in the first place. We know Tarquin is a family-man who loves Elan, hates that he has to hate Nale for Nale being such an ass, who never made more children beyond his initial family.
We also know that Elan needs Durkon. For what? What can the dwarf do?
It's not that much that a cleric really can do in regard to "advancing secret plans", but he can cast sendings at people.
I doubt Elan would call in Ian Starshine for something, as he really has not much to do with Tarquin, unless he means to use Starshine's Opposition to Tarquin in some way but it seems unlikely Elan would see him as Racing Horse to bet on.
No, I rather think Elan will call (and bring in) his mother for help in hopes she does have some leverage over Tarquin. Also note that Elan's plans do not have to make a lot of sense to begin with and are often more fueled by Hope than actual Good Ideas.Last edited by Winter; 2012-05-02 at 01:23 PM.
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2012-05-02, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Elan's Secret Plan
Not plausible.
More likely Elan is thinking to use magic to instill a sense of good in Tarquin, hence the need for Durkon's help.
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2012-05-02, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I had considered that Elan was planning on bringing his mother into this somehow, as she's the only member of that family we haven't yet met, but I question just how possible or useful bringing her would be. For one thing, though Durkon could certainly Send a message to her, she would have no obvious means of reaching the desert. Second, I can't imagine what she'd even do if she did show up. If she wasn't capable of reaching out to a sense of good in Tarquin when he was younger and they were in love, what could she possibly do or say now? If anything, Nale would probably use her against Elan.
I get that you don't think Elan's plan will work, but considering the plan was kept secret from the audience, and the idea of conservation of plot, I'm guessing Elan's plan will have to be somehow effectual or have some positive impact on the story, even if it's in a very Elan-like way.
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2012-05-02, 04:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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We also know that Tarquin was not the one who left his mother in the first place. We know Tarquin is a family-man who loves Elan, hates that he has to hate Nale for Nale being such an ass, who never made more children beyond his initial family.
It's not that much that a cleric really can do in regard to "advancing secret plans", but he can cast sendings at people.
whatever his plan is, considering there is literally no information on it at all except its confusing enough to confuse Durkon (or far far far far far more likely he only gave durkon some of its details like i need you do X at Y) theres no way at all to have meaningful conversation on it its like trying to discuss Vs gender, or what the IFCC plans to do with Vs soul
more on topic, Elans mother has already shown that she has no ability at all to control Tarquins actions since Tarquin doesnt see anything wrong with what hes doing if she apeared he would offer her a room in the palace but he would think it odd if she was opposed to what he was doing in his mind its justified and what hes doing is actually a good deedLast edited by Forikroder; 2012-05-02 at 04:29 PM.
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2012-05-02, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've always assumed his "needing Durkon's help" implied he needed a priest for something, not just a dwarf. Something that directly addresses Roy's comments just moments beforehand about biological ties and "... the hole that a family member can leave behind." Something that has very little to do with skills, levels, or spell slots.
My completely crazy and as-yet-unsubstantiated theory?Remember, priests in that strange and frightening place known as the 'real world' rarely have magic spells, at least until they get high enough level.SpoilerElan and Haley are now secretly married.However, they still manage to carry out religious ceremonies without much risk of summoning the nameless eldritch horrors from beyond time and space by accident. I see no evidence to the contrary implying something similar can not be said of OOTS-istanian priests can't do the same.SpoilerBlack leaf died for your sins!
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2012-05-02, 09:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-02, 11:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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How in the world does Elan and Haley secretly marrying do anything to solve the "Tarquin problem"?
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2012-05-03, 06:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe Elans secret plan has something to to with his assumption of Tarquin remarrying Elans mother.
Well, its not exactly secret any more, but.... it's Elan!Last edited by StiwiR; 2012-05-03 at 06:17 AM.
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2012-05-07, 03:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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It changes the genre. Though I figure it's more likely that they're *about* to get married.
If Tarquin suddenly finds himself in a romantic comedy, he's likely to act accordingly. He might even re-propose to Elan's Mom, assuming that she manages to get there in time for the wedding.
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2012-05-07, 09:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always assumed the "I got it!" had more do to with the "hole a family member leaves behind". Specifically, the hole Nale left in Elan. In his liver.
I'm guessing Elan got Durkon's help to Send Nale a message: "Hey, there's a 90% chance you can kill our father if you do it while I'm watching and you're really surprising and dramatic about it." After all, Nale's a recurring villain. He's more likely to survive that kind of fight than Tarquin, a side-villain.
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2012-05-07, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's one way to kill a matyr.
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2012-05-07, 09:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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I always assumed the "I got it!" had more do to with the "hole a family member leaves behind". Specifically, the hole Nale left in Elan. In his liver.
I'm guessing Elan got Durkon's help to Send Nale a message: "Hey, there's a 90% chance you can kill our father if you do it while I'm watching and you're really surprising and dramatic about it." After all, Nale's a recurring villain. He's more likely to survive that kind of fight than Tarquin, a side-villain.
besides no way Durkon would send that
It changes the genre. Though I figure it's more likely that they're *about* to get married.
If Tarquin suddenly finds himself in a romantic comedy, he's likely to act accordingly. He might even re-propose to Elan's Mom, assuming that she manages to get there in time for the wedding.
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2012-05-07, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-07, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-07, 11:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I hope Elan's plan fails, or that we never get the chance to see it.
Tarquin has been the most entertaining character in the comic in recent memory, and has really been a breath of fresh air. If he must go down, he deserves an awesome end. Like, say, dying to save Elan from Xykon, or something.
That said, I do imagine Elan's plan probably entails involving his mom in some capacity.Last edited by LordVader; 2012-05-07 at 11:43 PM.
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2012-05-08, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I actually had this weird idea involving food and teaming up with Nale. In the foreword to WaXP, Elan believes that not having their moms cut bread crusts is what made Belkar and Nale evil, and Elan recently saw the type of extremely evil Nale ate his whole life. And what can Durkon do that no other OOTSer can? Create Food (and Water). Thus, he will give Nale a taste of what he was missing out on (Roy's "holes a family member can leave behind" made him realize that the hole wasn't exclusive to Elan's side) in order to nudge him into forging a temporary alliance, and since Nale knows Tarquin better than Elan, his needlessly complex planning would help in making Tarquin's ending as unsatisfactory as possible.
Doubt that's it, but eh. It's a thought.
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2012-05-08, 02:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-09, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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right cause when your confused and conflicting about the killing of family members the best way to solve it is by hiring your family member to kill your family members for you
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2012-05-09, 11:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe he is contacting Amun Zora.
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2012-05-10, 04:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-10, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I see Elan's plan going two possible ways, but having a common theme among them:
SpoilerMarriage. That's really the only reason that Elan would need Durkon.
First way I could see it going is like many have said, that Tarquin would possibly see that Elan is truly a son after his own heart (Drama/Savvy wise). Elan invites his mother to the wedding, and, like a good "father", Tarquin tries to reconcile, possibly giving a great bit of wealth and power to Elan, who then gives it to Haley forrobin-hoodingsafekeeping. Then Nale stabs Tarquin in the back, with something whine-filled like "You never appreciated my love of Sabine and the fact that I'm evil! I kill you now!"
Second way I see it happening is possibly a "Fathers of the Betrothed" type scenario. Tarquin meets Ian, and hell sort-of breaks loose, but Tarquin decides to be on his best behavior. Not because he cares about Ian, Haley, or the rest, but because it makes for a good wedding story. Tarquin realizes how good of a genre-savvy thief Ian is, and Ian realizes Tarquin is not as bad due to Elan's heroism and stuff. Then Nale stabs Tarquin in the back, with something whine-filled like "You never appreciated my love of Sabine and I'm more evil than you! I kill you now!"
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2012-05-10, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yepp, the whole marriage-thing where Tarquin, his wife (Elan's mother) and Ian Starshine have to join (and play nice) is a very interesting thing.
I'm not seeing Nale in this though. But I also hope for his near demise, so the final climatic wrap-up could happen without him.Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey, The Tickler, The Hound, Ser Amory, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling, Weese, Dunsen, Nale, Ser Gregor Clegane and Chiswyck: Winter is coming!
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2012-05-10, 02:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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So basically Nale kills Tarquin? Okay, it seemed like Tarquin was trying to set it up so that Elan would have to prove that Bards are worth something and have Elan defeat him in combat, only before defeating Nale. That sounds pretty awesome too.
As far as Elan's plan, I really don't know what he's got plan, hes shown that he can really think plus he is genre savy so lets see how... or what he can come up with.
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2012-05-10, 02:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly, I was leaving it ambiguous about if Tarquin would die. I just suppose that Nale would be so shortsighted that he'd see other people that he doesn't like being happy, and he'd get all Belkar-stabby.
I mean, Nale is kind of one-dimensional, right?
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2012-05-11, 12:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-05-11, 07:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Here's my theory.
SpoilerElan is concentrating on the "family in good people" bit, not the "good in family." He's going to call in Julio Scoundrel.
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2012-05-11, 08:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm...
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So, you want me, a tertiary/minor character to go head to head with the main villain of the story arc on your behalf? Let me guess, once he kills me -- and he will -- you'll cradle my dying body and swear revenge? Gee, not that I wouldn't love to be cannon fodder for your character development, but I think I'm needed elsewhere...
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2012-05-11, 09:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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If ever there was an arc for Scoundrél to return, this would have been it... but I don't think he's going to voluntarily head to his genre-ordained doom. Actually, by now I think any chance of his showing up might be gone - we're in the home stretch of this arc, and a minor character from years back suddenly returning seems improbable at this point.