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Thread: Niu's New Resistance Team
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2012-01-18, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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If I was Niu, I would make my way to Gresky City. Considering how quickly Haley, Belkar and Celia got there it doesn't seem to be too far away. And what with the skills Haley taught her she shoud be able to do well for herself in the Thieves Guild.
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2012-01-18, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Niu's New Resistance Team
Presumably, in the scenario Doxkid is spinning, because they were expecting to pick up Niu and leave, not for Xykon to be there.
(I also observe that Quickened Meteor Swarm would actually show a higher-level spell slot than we've seen Xykon demonstrate before. Maximized Energy Drain is 12th-level, Quickened Meteor Swarm is 13th-level.)
If you were Niu, you would want to work for Bozzok? Really?
Whatever Niu does, I think it will be better than that.Last edited by Kish; 2012-01-18 at 06:42 AM.
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2012-01-18, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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If the party is teleporting in without scrying, they would not be aware of him.
This is based on the normal Scry+teleport combo, in many of the cases I've seen, being ruled to give a surprise round to those that Teleported; they are aware of their opponents before their opponents are aware of them.
Of course, there are many different ruling on this, so I won't stand by the surprise round. Alternate rulings include 'The caster who cast Teleport ends his turn as the spell resolves, then initiative is rolled normally.'
This actually seems closer to the rules used in the comic, as we have seen the Lizardmen siblings both starting and not finishing the word 'Teleport' and ending but not starting the word 'Teleport' as they Teleport to/from Kobold Prophet when they Raise him. The evil caster ( a cleric if my memory serves) also ended the phrase 'Plane shift' upon appearing during the attack on Roy during his stay in LG heaven.
However, the moment Xykon goes based on initiative, the party is basically dead.
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A point no one has brought up during the whole Teleport debate is the lack of information about where the caster would be teleporting. As the spell saysYou must have some clear idea of the location and layout of the destination.
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Yes, I mentioned that the Quickened meteor swarm might be beyond his abilities, however he probably would not need it. Energy drain, followed by Quickened Enervation would also do the job and might just kill the target outright. There is no shortage on methods he could use to kill a wizard/party of a much lower level than him should he actually desire to.Last edited by Doxkid; 2012-01-18 at 07:00 AM.
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2012-01-18, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's been explicitly stated in-comic that Greysky is more than a thousand miles from Azure City, and what evidence do you have that Haley etc. got there quickly? They left the Oracle in strip #570 and arrived at Greysky in #573, but there's absolutely no context for how many days or even weeks elapsed between those two strips.
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2012-01-18, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Except that Xykon is a Sorcerer, not a wizard. And last I checked, Sorcerers can't cast quickened spells.
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2012-01-18, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 10:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 10:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed. I can picture the recruitment campaign now...
"Come join the New Resistance, we shall overthrow our hated goblin oppressors!"
"Sounds cool - what happened to the old one?"
"Well, those that weren't ripped apart by devils, imploded, eaten alive by wights and forced to serve a necrophiliac were probably crushed to death in an earthquake....hey, get back here! Awwwww..."
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2012-01-18, 10:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 10:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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t209... i hate to be the one to break it to you, but... well...
Order of the Stick is not skyrim.
It's shocking i know, but it's just one of those universal truths you'll have to accept.
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2012-01-18, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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OOTS is also not black ops, mass effect, modern warfare, or any other thing that is not order of the stick.
Order of the stick is order of the stick.
That is all.Avy by Thormag
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2012-01-18, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-18, 07:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Order of the Stick is not ASoIaF either. Khal Drogo is not going to come riding down the hill to fulfill his marriage contract with Hinjo's previously unmentioned sister.
In all seriousness, if you can provide one (ONE) shred of evidence that there is a "Nomadic horde" that the party somehow has not already run into, and ISN'T made up of goblonoids, I will take back everything I have said.
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2012-01-18, 11:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Right Now Xykon is off doing Thor knows what. Redcloak does not know where the skeleton is. Why would Xykon be sending Elves false sendings? Why would he be there to intercept a fifth level wizard retriving Niu?
Being an Epic lich sorcer make him powerful. It does not make him omnipotent omniscent or omniprescent.If you find yourself watching Power Rangers and wonder how some characters got their powers and zords back for an anniversary episode, just assume they were restored off screen. They have 20+ seasons of team geniuses to call on.
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2012-01-19, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 09:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, because it makes perfect sense to wait a few days before casting the spell instead of doing so immediately when she's clear (at least away from the Cloister's effects). Oh, and it also makes sense to make that trip to another city (Cliffport was apparently a week or two away from Azure City) and then wait for a ship. It would cost her to get food and then lodging for those few days, and I don't think she had any gold with her.
Even then, it takes far fewer resources to just teleport there and back again with her. It's not like magic is that uncommon in OotS world.
If you're saying that resources matter that much, you're obviously thinking of a Lawful or Neutral Evil leader. I could imagine Tarquin being so heartless, maybe Redcloak. But no way is Hinjo going to leave the sole survivor of the Resistance to die out there -- not because she has information to share, but because she needs saving.
Traveling could take a few strips, and I feel the Resistance arc will close pretty quickly, and I see two possible resolutions for Niu:
1. She casts Sending, Hinjo sends someone to pick her up immediately.
2. Redcloak finds and kills her.
I guess we'll know soon enough.
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2012-01-19, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's enough that she's in the clear and contacts Hinjo, they'll know she's there and could possibly teleport to her, and then out -- with her. Cloister doesn't prevent teleporting OUT of it, there may be problems teleporting IN.
They couldn't scry on her, they couldn't send to her, but otherwise it's all fine.
Keep in mind that she is aware of the effects of the Cloister -- Haley and O-Chul described the effect to Hinjo and the elves, they knew why scrying failed, and know how to work around the issue.
As for bait and switch tactics, there are ways to work around that, too, but it seems not to be necessary -- Team Peregrine managed to not be surprised by the hobgoblin patrol (it seemed the other way around, actually), and wiped it out pretty much instantly. If they wanted to be as prepared as possible, send two casters -- one will teleport out, second (hasted, if necessary, with quickened teleport slot or scroll) will teleport in.
It also seems that they don't need to know the surroundings -- I'm fairly sure Team Peregrine wizard did not visit the lands around Azure City, and yet teleported pretty well onto the mountain path.
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2012-01-19, 09:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Niu's New Resistance Team
She'll head to Cliffport and end up joining a low-level adventuring group for a spinoff series Rich will make after the OOtS is over.
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2012-01-19, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Firstly, doing that would require Ganonron to have epic teleport available, and he might not have had any castings left. Secondly, V didn't give a rat's behind for the defences of Azure City, or the Azurites themselves for that matter--he only teleported the fleet because he wanted their help, and he certainly had no intention of wasting his surprise round to clear out the goblins from Azure City before dropping in on a totally prepared and angry Xykon! He was after the big target, not the minions.
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2012-01-19, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 05:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't think of any spells that work or not work based on "enemy," rather than based on "unwilling," or, "not selected by caster."
I doubt every member of the Azure City fleet agreed to be teleported right then, or would have. Kazumi and Daigo didn't act thrilled about Scary-Vaarsuvius casting a spell on them.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-01-19, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 05:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-19, 05:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Allowing that--and allowing that Spliced-Vaarsuvius counted as an ally to the Azure City fleet--for this post just for the sake of argument, do you really think Ganonron, Terror of a Thousand Planes, designed his trademark spell to only work on the willing?
factotum gave very compelling reasons for Spliced-Vaarsuvius not to have used Epic Teleport that way without 1) presuming Rich used a house rule and 2) presuming Ganonron designed the spell with an "only willing" restriction at all.Last edited by Kish; 2012-01-19 at 05:51 PM.
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2012-01-20, 06:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, for one thing, I'm sure the epic spell DC or whatever it is (Roy's the only one who knows the epic rules around here) would be much, much higher if it weren't willing. And since he was using his spell to move his armies around, he wouldn't generally need it to work on the unwilling anyway.
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2012-01-20, 06:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Who says he's using it on his army? Maybe he teleports the enemy army to the middle of the ocean or something. Five miles up. Flawless victory!
Anyway, Niu has one chance to convey whatever information she has to Hinjo. She also has to think about surviving long enough for any possible rescue attempt to reach her. She should head for the nearest friendly town and mention this in her sending. (Cliffport isn't nearby, and Greysky isn't friendly.) And I believe Hinjo will do what he can to rescue her -- she should be considered a Azurite hero.Assistant Treasurer of the Haley fan club
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2012-01-20, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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She should go to the island where Hinjo is. She probably has some useful information about Azure City, that would be too long to tell by sending.
And starting a resistance from the scratch will be harder than the first time, since thay had allies who survived the war. Now she will have to look for people who doesn't have a reason to fight.