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2012-07-26, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
Oh Durkon, how do I love thee.
Now this is indeed a good strip. The follow on to last time, and follow on well it does. It shows interesting moments, good fast paced action and even a bit of character for Nale here, a character who I think gets a short shrift a bit too often. It also seems to be able to set up a few essential tension moments without them seeming massively contrived. Good moments there. However on to more details.
The Good:
1) Always start with the art, and here is as good a place as any to do so. There are a few specific panels with good quality images. The art of Durkon's walking through the wall, the Holy Word image, the billowing smoke, the buzzsaw trap and more. Everything is well drawn and good looking, especially the doublt image effect of the Holy Word. But more than this the overall structure is birlliant.
2) And to give this element it's due the first few panels are a wonderul structure of confusion and movement. Switching straight from Nale's trap escape to Malack being cut off was great for the pacing. As well once it happened things slow down and we get a slow build of tension with good wide panels to produce a strong moment.
3) Durkon is being badass here. I must praise this as it really does seem to hammer home the image of the order being competent. Which is good. This is stage 2 of what is obviously a multi stage plan. Now V is undoubtably gonna arrive at some point, and the isolation of Malack is probably going to matter. But twice now the order have shown intelligence and competence. As well as a bit of clever "out of the box" thinking, which they needed. It helps when our heroes look useful and smart. Even Tarquin has been staggered by the spell
4) And to give a quick shout out to Nale here, I like what we see of his leadership here. Yes the order outhink him, and he does start being short tempered/not thinking. But even then his recognition of what the trap was, his run down of their situation and his taking charge/orders is quite good. Nale seems to be stepping up a bit more here. It is a bit of character development that I do not doubt will contribute to the growing intra-party conflict for the LG. The combination of frustration and intellect is a good thought.
The Bad;
1) Whilst I understand the decision, and it works, the contrived way that Malack is specifically cut off from the rest of the LG is a small nitpick. It has a small sense of "must happen for my plot to work....i.e. so we don't twig who Tarquin is". Not a huge problem, but a minor one.
So only a small nitpick and a lot of good moments. There was action, character development and good technical skill on show. Overall this is **** by my eyes. I am eagerly looking forward to see what happens next time.If I cared about this, I would probably do something about it.
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2012-07-26, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
40 foot radius, eh? From the previous strip, the mummies are well in range. I suppose that means they're all destroyed. Malack's going to be pissed.
I like how the spinning saw blades seem to blow air and make a brief area of clean air.
Hm, how'd Durkon run through the crowd of mummies without drawing five attacks of opportunity? They have to be commanded to attack, I suppose? Oh...looking carefully, he is indeed stepping out of the wall after using his stone shape spell.Last edited by Finagle; 2012-07-26 at 10:51 AM.
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2012-07-26, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Glad to see the Order is fighting back. Tarquin whupping them singlehandedly was getting really old.
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2012-07-26, 10:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
Just like Power Word Stun.
"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2012-07-26, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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In the last panel, Durkon is standing next to the only character who was uneffected by his spell.
Guess which character has a death prophecy flying around.participate in fan translations of OotS to your native language:
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2012-07-26, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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"They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2012-07-26, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Durkon is pure awesome.
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2012-07-26, 11:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2012-07-26, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2012-07-26, 11:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
My favorite comic in a while. I loved the Watchman reference with Malack. Maybe a hint as to his true character?
I find it a little two coincidental that both neutral-ish casters are separated from their parties with their familiars. Perhaps a meet up between them soon. I would think Malack could give V some solace over his/her actions. He just seems like that kind of lizard and has the same not so subtle contempt for his own party, so maybe something in common over which to bond?
You know, unless hes trying to kill V or something.
Also, the passive look on Durkon's face? Classic.Last edited by bengator; 2012-07-26 at 11:25 AM.
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2012-07-26, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
ETA: Never mind. Found the relevant text in the SRD.
Furthermore, if you are on your home plane when you cast this spell, nongood extraplanar creatures within the area are instantly banished back to their home planes. Creatures so banished cannot return for at least 24 hours. This effect takes place regardless of whether the creatures hear the holy word. The banishment effect allows a Will save (at a -4 penalty) to negate.
ETA: Or not. It allows a will save. Given this is OOTS , assume Sabine makes a natural 20 .
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Brian P.Last edited by pendell; 2012-07-26 at 11:38 AM.
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2012-07-26, 11:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Shouldn't Z'zdtri have said, "me either"? Kilkil said "I can't see" and "me too" means to agree with a positive statement. "Me either" means to agree with a negative statement. The things you learn hanging out with lots of people who speak English as a second language.
Oh, and Holy Word can be blocked by steel doors?Last edited by Finagle; 2012-07-26 at 11:27 AM.
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2012-07-26, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's quite possible Tarquin is deafened, as his pose could be shrugging off the affects, or taking them. However, he probably isn't blinded, which means he's in the perfect place for a full attack on Durkon.
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2012-07-26, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #859 - The Discussion Thread
Awesome.
This might be bad news for Durkon though....
There is a good chance that Tarquin is going to be pissed.
and "just the speel for tha" is meld into stone, because it allowed Durkon to be part of the ambush instead of Sir Clanksalot
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2012-07-26, 11:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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So what happens when Malack uses one of the many spells usable to bypass or destroy the wall?
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2012-07-26, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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So does this end the...erm..."ambiguity" of Tarquin's alignment, or will we have 20 pages worth of post with some crazy reason as to why he is not evil and "didn't really get effected by the spell"?
Shame Thog and Belkar wasn't caught in it too, would clear those up as well.
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And yes, I am aware that the Giant literally mentioned their alignment, that didn't seem to help.
EDIT: Whelp, nevermind.Last edited by sims796; 2012-07-26 at 11:42 AM.
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2012-07-26, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Regarding Tarquin, my money's on "unaffected." I'm interpreting his pose as a facepalm, not being deafened. (Note that he has it before Nale and Sabine clutch their ears...) But we'll find out!
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Actually, no, that would be "me neither." But "me too" works as well.
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2012-07-26, 11:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-07-26, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm willing to bet that whether he's affected or not, Tarquin acts like he's deafened so he can act and ignore Nale's orders.
Also, I'm willing to bet the ambush isn't over yet and that Belkar/Elan are similarly hidden nearby to take out Kilkil and Z.
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2012-07-26, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, I doubt that. If Rich wanted an awesome entry by Durkon with this Sneak Attack but leave Sabine in the game, he'd probably have taken another spell.
Having a great idea and setup (and for once the Order actually plans) and then it only goes up into a boring "Poof" because some lame saving throw was made is simply boring.
Also notice how Sabine just has shown that Nale needs her (or he'd have fully ran into half a dozen traps)? I think she's going to be out of the picture as of the next panel.Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey, The Tickler, The Hound, Ser Amory, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling, Weese, Dunsen, Nale, Ser Gregor Clegane and Chiswyck: Winter is coming!
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2012-07-26, 12:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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