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2016-04-04, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
My thoughts are just the opposite: I have never penalized a melee character because she didn't adequately explain where she got her greatsword from other than "I bought it." I'm assuming due to the nature of the class, hippogriffs exist and are available. If you have a legal means to obtain a hippogriff, which includes purchase by cold hard cash, then as a judge I'm happy.
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2016-04-04, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
I'm with Piggy here. There's a listed price for hippogriffs, and they're established to be available in the region, so you should be able to buy a hippogriff egg for 2000 gp or a foal for 3000, just like you'd buy any other item, and then rear it with Handle Animal or pay a trainer 1000 gp to rear it for you.
Backstory can be used to explain the character's relationship with her beloved hippogriff, but I don't see why that would be any more necessary than e.g. explaining how a Shadowdancer first learned how to dance.Last edited by Troacctid; 2016-04-04 at 12:33 PM.
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2016-04-05, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
I wish I'd put more thought in my build. It's finished and I put many hours of work in it but next to the (back)story it is just a normal decent build. Don't want that to be my first build. Next time I'll make something really cool but I won't compete sadly
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2016-04-05, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
I have two different ideas, not sure if I'll get a chance to submit one or not.
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2016-04-05, 02:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
The statement of my criteria is there. Like it or not, it is what I'm looking for. Build to it or not, it's your choice. It's not changing however.
Think on it that it's a particular magic item that's integral to your build. If you cannot make that item yourself, you have typically been penalised over and above being item dependent as well as being DM dependent. Here, unless you can make that backstory interesting enough, I'm looking for some mechanics that will let you have said Hippogriff. I can think of one way that EVERY character can manage at least, so It should be a good story to make those points.
See it as a bonus for meeting, rather than a penalty for not meeting if it suits you better.Last edited by Vaz; 2016-04-05 at 02:55 AM. Reason: I
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2016-04-05, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
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2016-04-05, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
But Blizzard* and World of Warcraft showed that the two have entirely different effects on people.
*They originally penalised people for playing too long with experience penalties. People got angry. So they rewrote the code, and sold it as getting a log in bonus each day for a duration to XP gaining. It was a miracle! No net difference to what people got, but gave Blizzard the kudos for playing only short stints and social responsibility or some such nonsense.
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2016-04-05, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
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2016-04-07, 04:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Oh sass. I bet that was cute back when you 12.
Lack of mechanical difference isn't the same as a Psychological difference.
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2016-04-07, 05:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Hmm, no sure I'll be able to cobble together a build by the deadline. I may be able to judge, but I'll have to see what time I can find for it. My position on hippogriff acquisition will remain a Super Secret For British Eyes Only Ultra Top Mystery until such a time as I figure out if I care about it.
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2016-04-07, 02:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Yeah. Good luck, contestants.
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2016-04-09, 02:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Submitted. Although I think I still have time to send in about a dozen or so last-minute revisions... ugh. I think I prefer it to when I procrastinate up to the last minute. It doesn't give me any time to second-guess myself and worry about stupid mistakes.
Is it too late to get into a rules hullabaloo about falling object damage? There's two ways to calculate it: DMG or Rules Compendium. I wasn't sure if the Chair had expressed a preference.Last edited by Darrin; 2016-04-09 at 02:03 PM.
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2016-04-09, 02:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Rules Compendium takes precedence in games that use it. Granted, not every game uses it, but considering that it is an allowed source for this contest, I'd expect a build that relies on it not being used to be considered less elegant than a build that is compatible with it.
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2016-04-09, 02:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
There's an argument about precedence when you consider the core books have been reprinted after the Rules Compendium without some of the changes. But the only person insisting on that argument hasn't been posting.
Ok, well, this isn't covered well by either the DMG or Rules Compendium: does a creature always fall a maximum of 150' on the first round, or can they fall farther if accelrated, by... oh, let's say an extremely enthusiastic hippogriff?Last edited by Darrin; 2016-04-09 at 02:25 PM.
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2016-04-09, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Build submitted. That's the most work I can remember putting into an Iron Chef entry. Really hope it ends up doing well, it's one of those builds that I could see landing at either extreme. I might try to throw together an entry for my second idea as well, as it can probably be completed a lot more quickly.
EDIT: Woo! Got the second build in. Looking forward to seeing what everyone else came up with for this SI.Last edited by WhamBamSam; 2016-04-10 at 01:00 PM.
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Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
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The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
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2016-04-11, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
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2016-04-11, 04:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Number 1 (sorry, no witty commentary this month)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
And that's everything. Only four entries! I was really expecting more.
I'm really sad I didn't manage to find the time to put a build together, actually. I was planning on submitting an Ardent, sharing Metamorphosis with their psicrystal to turn it into an animated drogue wing to bypass the hour long folding time and break chance, as well as for action economy to better handle the full-round attack actions the class has.Quotebox
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2016-04-11, 06:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
My bare bones build was a Gold Dwarf Fighter 1/Wizard 5/Silverwood Arcanist 5/Great Rift Skyguard 9
Using a Giant Bat through Wild Cohort as his first flying mount...later picking up a Hippogriff with Improved Familiar. He had two mounts to switch between later in his career.
[edit] Two things I wasn't sure about: 1.) Can you use Handle Animal to get the Warbeast template on a Wild Cohort? And 2.) would the bonus HD and other perks added to your Hippogriff through GRS work on an Improved Familiar? [/edit]Last edited by Thurbane; 2016-04-11 at 06:03 AM.
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2016-04-11, 07:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
This is still the subject of some debate. It's not clear if Warbeast can only be applied to an animal that is specifically "born and raised" to be a Warbeast, or if it can be applied to any animal that goes through the training. So it would be up to the judge to call shenanigans on adding the template to a Wild Cohort that you just find wandering around and didn't specifically raise to be a Warbeast.
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2016-04-11, 07:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Mine would have been Barb 3/Totemist 3/GRS 10/Totem Rager 4.
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2016-04-11, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Huh, only four entries. The chefs don't seem to like the taste of dwarf. Two of the builds are mine, so I'm guaranteed a medal. Well, this shouldn't be too painful for our esteemed judges. Good luck all.
I thought about fooling around with Changeling Wizard 5 and Improved Familiar to get a fancy hippogriff that I could then turn into other things, but ended up not pursuing it. I'd say that the Hippogriff Steed bonuses could apply to a familiar, though the added HD would really only be good for feats, since its HP, BAB, etc would still be based on yours.
I also toyed around with Charging Smite Paladins a bit, and thought about a Wolf Totem Pouncebarian 2/Evil Incarnate 3/Skyguard using the free move action that Axes From the Sky leaves to charge up the stun ability on Incarnate Weapon's Arm bind, but ended up scrapping all those ideas. I also tried to go for Mantas Leap for two charges per round, but couldn't get it to fit together what with needing 7 levels of Monk.
I'm pretty happy with the builds I ended up with though.Last edited by WhamBamSam; 2016-04-11 at 10:46 AM.
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2016-04-11, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Played a bit around with the idea of using Tunnel Riding to use the Hippogriff in Underdark, and pair this with Cavestaker (Drow of the Underdark) for hilariousness, but never got anywhere.
Also, just stumbled upon a class that could be interesting for a later swing.
Thrall of Eltab, from Forgotten Realms: Champions Of Ruin p134 ... so obscure that even Wizards' Prestige class index doesn't know of it
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2016-04-11, 03:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2016-04-11, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
I was certain that Improved Familiar (Hippogriff) was the obvious thing here. Surprised that not a single official entry used it. My idea was to be Battle Sorcerer 4 / Fighter 1 / Great Right Skyguard 10 / Abjurant Champion 10 (not in that order exactly) but I figured I wouldn't be the only one..
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2016-04-11, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground LXXVII
The only timely way to get Improved Familiar for a hippogriff is Duskblade, and Arcane Channeling doesn't synergize very well with Great Rift Skyguard, since it doesn't work on a charge. I'm not surprised it didn't show up.
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