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Zinc Saucier 10: Now you see me...
This competition has closed. Here were the final results!
The Dark Weed - Eskil = 17 points
John Cage - dspeyer = 16.5 points
Masashi Kishomoto - Motoko's ghost = 16 points
Dare Mo - Motoko's ghost = 13.5 points
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Welcome one and all to the tenth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds.
The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!
For the tenth challenge get ready strike from the shadows and post faster than anyone else, from Complete Adventurer, the Ninja!
Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official 3.5 material (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Ninja without actually using any levels in it.
Entries must be submitted by Sunday, 11:59pm GMT, 16 December, 2012.
Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;
* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Fluff (How well the characters back-stories and classes mesh)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)
Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.
Recommended style:SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
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For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage). For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list, similar to this:
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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we dont want to overfeed the judges.
Entries should be submitted via private message to the chairman.
Previous challenges;
A few administrative notes:
This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.
Originally Posted by Iron Chef Chairman
Allez Sauciers!Last edited by mattie_p; 2013-09-06 at 05:25 PM.
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2012-12-02, 08:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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id like to see a better turn out then the last one, but here is the problem im seeing right off the bat:
Factotum is allowedMy Homebrew: found here.
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2012-12-02, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-12-02, 09:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pondering trying this again. I need to know before I do though, is Wealth-by-Level included in the build?
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2012-12-02, 10:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think the best builds do not rely upon items, but you can certainly post the suggested items that would enhance your character. If you include something like "must have +5 flaming ghost-touch icy-burst daggers or it won't work," then you might be deducted points in elegance.
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2012-12-02, 10:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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I already have an idea...It's completely ridiculous but I think I'll submit it anyway
EDIT: Psst Mattie_P, you might want to double check your OP for copy-paste errorsLast edited by motoko's ghost; 2012-12-02 at 10:16 PM.
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2012-12-02, 10:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Got it, thanks, motoko. Blast, I made sure all the class references were safe, and missed a "ninth"
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2012-12-02, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Depends on what you are looking for. Class variants are legal. Racial variants and paragon classes are legal.
Flaws, bloodlines are frowned upon, and usually warrant a penalty.
No gestalt, alternative skill systems, spell point system, at all.
If you must use a flaw or a bloodline to make a build legal, consider if the potential boost to your power and use of ingredient scores is worth the potential elegance hit.Blank 3.5 Character Creator Iron Chef Style Tables (in Google Sheets)
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Well, there is plenty of time left. (Plenty of other ways to boost skills as well, just look around). Hopefully we'll see some more action, other than just you.
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I might actually enter this one; it's a class I've got a few ideas how to duplicate.
Remind me after I've turned in my final project.You can call me Draz.
Trophies:
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Also of note:
- Winning Entry of Gestalt Build Challenge IV
- 3rd Place in Iron Chef XI (Blade Bravo)
- Judge of Iron Chef XXIII (Divine Champion)
I have a number of ongoing projects that I manically jump between to spend my free time ... so don't be surprised when I post a lot about something for a few days, then burn out and abandon it.
... yes, I need to be tested for ADHD.
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2012-12-08, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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So how are the chefs coming? Hopefully finals are going well for those who need to experience those, and hopefully we'll get some good dishes served up in the competition.
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I've got a couple in the works, should have at least 1 done in time
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I have an idea, and hope to find the time to lay it out, at least see what people think of it, and also to see how it looks to myself to play.
How does point buy work?
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Dungeon Master Guide, page 169. It is also available elsewhere on the web, but as it is not open gaming content I won't link it.
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So heads up. About 24 hours remain before the deadline. If you have an entry, please consider submitting, thread has been kind of dead lately.
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2012-12-16, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I wonder if these challenges might work better posting in the thread. Then people could take inspiration from eachother, and the discussion would stay alive. Also, it would solve the "I can't use that, it's too obvious" problem.
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2012-12-16, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Its a problem, I admit. We've managed to eke out an existence as a lesser cousin to Iron Chef, using the same rules. I wonder if your suggestion might not have merit. Can we have a discussion on that? Thoughts, if any, by past and current competitors would be appreciated. I'll post the current entries in about an hour.
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Ack, I wish I'd seen this one. The problem for me is that with this forum being fairly fast-moving, contest threads tend to fall off the bottom of the first page so easily. I wonder if we could petition the mods for a 'Competitions' subforum of Roleplaying, or something
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2012-12-16, 07:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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My Homebrew: found here.
When you Absolutely, Positively, Gotta Drop some Huge rocks, Accept NO Substitutes
PM Me if you would like a table from my homebrew reconstructed.
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2012-12-16, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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I do actually like the open contest better, there were various older contests that had people discussing and bouncing ideas off each other as it went, and the Homebrew monster competitions actively encouraged discussion. If somebody is worried about someone stealing their ideas, they can always wait until right before the deadline to post.
Also it would get more content out there with all those half finished builds that people have.Spoiler
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Alright, I'll consider it for the next round as a test, we'll see if we go with it pending discussion. In the meantime, let me unveil the competitors! We have 4 entries this time. Please refrain from posting until the all clear.
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A ... bound ninja
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A spymaster aspiring to be a ninja.
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A performance of silence:
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Kiss my moto? What did you say ... (gak!)
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If I inadvertently passed on some information revealing our competitors, please let me know. Otherwise, let the judging begin! Oh, also, if you want to judge, please feel free.
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I'm very amused to see that no factota or swordsages actually got submitted.
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