Wild Mage Base Class 3.5[Strudel]

[Strudel110]

I was kinda disappointed in the wild mage class in 3.5 so I'm working out out an alternate homebrew version as a base class I'd appreciate any advice from more experienced brewers.
Wild Mage:A wild mage is a force of chaos and power, the chance of dangerous backfires and side effects are deemed worth the raw power wild mages can supply in a fight. Many wild mages are from, but not limited to, savage races like kobolds and goblins.

Background: Practitioners of the most primal and basic of magic, the unpredictable practice Wild Magic was thought to be replaced by by normal sorcery by all but the most primitive of creatures, in fact wild magic has become increasingly prevalent amongst sorcerers.
Races: any
Role: Attack caster, powerful but sometimes dangerous to party.
Abilities: Add Charisma bonus to spells per day.
Alignment: Chaotic Any.
Hit Die: d6.
Table 1: The Wild Mage
Base

Level	Attack Bonus	FortSave	RefSave	WillSave	Special
1st	+0	+0	+0	+2	Wild Magic, Bonus Feat: Eschew Materials
2nd	+1	+0	+0	+3	Wild Aegis
3rd	+1	+1	+1	+3	Chaotic Gambit/ 1 times per day
4th	+2	+1	+1	+4	Spell Aspect/Quicken
5th	+2	+1	+1	+4
6th	+3	+2	+2	+5	Control/ 1 times per day
7th	+3	+2	+2	+5	Chaotic Gambit/ 2 times per day
8th	+4	+2	+2	+6	Student of Chaos, Spell Aspect/Silent
9th	+4	+3	+3	+6
10th	+5	+3	+3	+7	Control/ 2 times per day
11th	+5	+3	+3	+7
12th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8	Master of Chaos
13th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8	Control/ 4 times per day, Spell Aspect/ Empower
14th	+7/+2	+4	+4	+9	Chaotic Gambit/ 4 times per day
15th	+7/+2	+5	+5	+9
16th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10	Spell Aspect/ Maximize
17th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10
18th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11	Control/ 6 times per day
19th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11	Chaotic Gambit/ 6 times per day
20th	+10/+5	+6	+6	+12

Table 2:

Level	# of spells
1	5
2	6
3	6
4	7
5	7
6	8
7	8
8	8
9	9
10	9
11	10
12	10
13	12
14	12
15	13
16	15
17	16
18	17
19	20
20	20

Wild Spell Effects, Table -3
Roll 1d20 and look at chart for effect.

#rolled	effect
1	Wild Surge
2	Daze
3	Cause Fear
4	Ray of Frost
5	Wild Surge
6	Ray of Enfeeblement
7	Flare
8	Hypnotism
9	Chill touch
10	Alternate spell shape(see table-4)
11	Sleep
12	Burning hands
13	Color Spray
14	Magic Missile
15	Wild Surge
16	Shocking Grasp
17	Magic Weapon
18	Summon Monster I
19	Reduce Person
20	Roll again twice, use both spells as one may choose different target

Alternate spell shapes, Table-4
roll a 1d4 die for effect

#rolled	shape
1	Ranged touch (300ft.)
2	Cone (20ft)
3	Ranged blast (Range 300ft.)(Area:30ft)
4	Chain (Range 300ft)save:ref half(Targets: One primary target, plus one secondary target/level each of which must be within 30 ft. of the primary target)secondary targets take only half damage.

Wild Surge, Table-6
roll a d100

#rolled	effect
1	Repulsion field centered on the caster (Pushes everything adjacent to the caster 10 ft.)
2	Wild color changes upon the caster
3	Squirrels appear around caster
4	The caster becomes itchy
5	The caster glows
6	A fireball centers on the caster
7	The caster's sex is changed
8	The caster's color changes
9	Everyone in the area changes direction
10	Explosion centered on caster
11	Entangle spell centered on caster
12	Slow spell centered on the caster
13	Target polymorphed into a wolf
14	Caster held
15	Caster hasted
16	Caster changed into a Wolf (remove curse, dispel magic or waiting a day will end this)
17	Gold on the caster is destroyed (2d6)
18	Target weakened
19	Sunfire spell centered on caster
20	Movement speed (10 ft.) lowered on target
21	Underwear created on target
22	Caster held as per the spell Hold Person
23	Fear spell centered on target
24	Roll twice more. Both effects apply
25	Touch of chaos
26	Globe of invulnerability centered on target
27	Silence 15ft radius centered on caster
28	Caster dizzy
29	Target invisible
30	Pretty sparkles!
31	Caster is spell's target
32	Caster becomes invisible
33	Color spray from caster
34	Birds appear around the caster
35	fireball centered on caster, No damage done to caster
36	Gems created on caster
37	Force bubbles
38	Goodberries created on caster
39	Fireball flies toward target
40	Feathered Frenzy
41	Random treasure created on caster
42	Caster is combat ready (+2 AC, +2 on attack rolls)
43	Teleport field spell centered on caster
44	Teleport field centered on target
45	Area effect hiccups centered on target
46	All doors in area of effect open. If there aren't any, then roll twice and use both
47	Caster floats for a round
48	Change target randomly
49	Caster recuperates as if he rested
50	Exposure
51	Start snowing if outside, otherwise roll twice more
52	Loud noise, target must save or be stunned
53	Target's HP doubled
54	Summon demon to attack target
55	Spell fired, but with squealing noise
56	Spell goes off, but duration is halved
57	Strange visual effect, but spell fizzles
58	Projectile speed halved
59	All weapons in the area glow
60	No saving throws against the spell allowed
61	Target is held, as per Hold Person spell
62	Detect magic spell centered on target
63	Roll 4 more times, and use each effect
64	Slow spell centered on target
65	Plane shuffle
66	Lightning bolt spell cast at target
67	Target strengthened (+2 on attack rolls)
68	Cure moderate wounds centered on target
69	Entangle target
70	Caster enraged
71	Fireball centered on target
72	Flesh to Stone on target
73	Spell fired, caster is rested
74	Cure moderate wounds spell centered on caster
75	Target dizzy
76	Sunfire centered on target
77	Eldritch horror
78	Taget blinded
79	Target charmed
80	Gems created on target
81	Target's movement speed reduced (10 ft.)
82	Random treasure created on target
83	Target polymorphed into a squirrel (1d6)
84	Silence 15' radius centered on target
85	Target's sex changes
86	Fake explosion centered on target
87	Stinking Cloud centered on target
88	Cow falls from sky onto target
89	Target dizzy
90	Spell has 60' radius at target
91	Target itchy
92	Casters HP doubled (temp hp)
93	Target held
94	Target hasted
95	Destroy all gold on target
96	Spells power doubles
97	Spell cast, -4 to targets saving throws
98	Target's color changes
99	Spell cast at double level
100	DM's choice

Chaos Effects

Exposure:Causes enemies clothing/armor to fall off magically within 60 feet of caster
Feathered Frenzy:Hundreds of birds magically burst forth from another plane, 20ft cone stuns enemy 1 turn and provokes attack of opportunity
Touch of Chaos:Transforms an enemies weapon into a swarm of otherworldly butterflies, 1d6 rounds must make opposed Will DC on magic items.
Force Bubbles:Seemingly harmless and indescernible from normal bubbles Force Bubbles explode violently with pure force, when an enemy touches one they all explode simutaneously, does 1d4+1 force dmg for every two caster levels beyond 1st,you gain an additional explosion—two at 3rd
level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the
maximum of five missiles at 9th level or
higher, takes up an area of 20ft.
Eldritch Horror:A blast of pure insanity, ranged touch attack, enemy must make opposed will save or become insane for 1d6 rounds
Plane Shuffle:Sends an enemy hurling through several planes of existence until they reappear in their own shaken and damaged from the trip, ranged touch attack enemy reappears in 1d6+1 rounds and takes 2d6 dmg per caster level with no saves or AC allowed.
Special Abilities and Feats
Focus Magic: Starting at level 2, each time the Wild Mage levels up, he may replace up to two spells on the Wild Magic list with up to two spells that a Sorcerer of the Wild Mage's class level would be able to cast. Spells cannot be on the list twice. The number of spells a Wild Mage may replace increases by one with each new level of Focus Magic. For example: Yik-yar is level 8 and has gained Greater Focus Magic, and may therefore can exchange up to three of his existing spells with any spell an 8th level Sorcerer would be able to cast (in this case, any Arcane spell of 4th level or lower that appears on the Sorcerer's spell list).
Student of Chaos:When the Wild Mage casts a wild surge they may make a DC 16 Will check, roll again and add a spell effect also.
Master of Chaos:When the Wild Mage casts a wild surge they may make a DC 15 Will check, roll again and add a spell effect also.
Spell Aspect: Lets a wild mage add metamagic effects to spells they cast. Quicken lets you cast spells as swift actions, silent negates verbal component, empower uses two spells per day, and maximize costs three spells per day.
Control: make a DC 15 Will check to reroll a chaos effect.
Chaotic Gambit A wild mage using chaotic gambit can reroll a cast spell and use the second roll.
Wild Aegis: adds effect of Mage Armor, if caster is hit roll a Wild Surge.

[Masterclick]

Table 1: The Wild Mage
Base

Level	Attack Bonus	FortSave	RefSave	WillSave	Special
1st	+0	+0	+0	+2	Wild Magic
2nd	+1	+0	+0	+3
3rd	+1	+1	+1	+3
4th	+2	+1	+1	+4
5th	+2	+1	+1	+4
6th	+3	+2	+2	+5
7th	+3	+2	+2	+5
8th	+4	+2	+2	+6
9th	+4	+3	+3	+6
10th	+5	+3	+3	+7
11th	+5	+3	+3	+7
12th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8
13th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8
14th	+7/+2	+4	+4	+9
15th	+7/+2	+5	+5	+9
16th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10
17th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10
18th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11
19th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11
20th	+10/+5	+6	+6	+12

Table 2:

Level	# of spells
1	5
2	5
3	5
4	6
5	6
6	7
7	7
8	8
9	8
10	9
11	10
12	10
13	12
14	12
15	12
16	15
17	15
18	15
19	20
20	20

Wild Spell Effects, Table -3
Roll 1d10 die and look at chart for effect

#rolled	effect
1	Critical backfire (see Table 5)
2	Magic Missile
3	Color Spray
4	Cone of Cold
5	Different spell shape (use table 4 and roll again)
6	Fireball
7	Chain lightning
8	Disintegrate
9	Prismatic Spray
10	Roll again twice, use both spells as one may choose different targets

Alternate spell shapes, Table-4
roll a 1d4 die for effect

#rolled	shape
1	Ranged touch (100ft.+10/level)
2	Cone (20ft.+10/10levels)
3	Ranged blast (Range 100ft.+10/level)(Area:20ft.+10/10levels)
4	Chain (Range 100ft+10/level)save:ref half(Targets: One primary target, plus one secondary target/level each of which must be within 30 ft. of the primary target)half damage on secondary targets.

Critical Spell Fail, Table-5
roll a 1d6 die

#rolled	effect
1	targets self, will save allowed for half dmg
2	targets friend ,reflex save allowed to avoid, will save allowed for half dmg must pick one or the other
3	Casts enlarge person/creature spell on enemy
4	Casts mage armor on foe
5	Cast mirror image creates 1d4 illusions of foe
6	Heal 1d6 on foe

Having tables in your post greatly increases your chances of getting feedback. If you want to use the formatting I've done, quote my post and copy and paste the tables I've made for you into yours. I may have made some minor mistakes, you may want someone else to look more carefully over it who isn't half-asleep.

For the actual class, I find it to be pretty confusing. The spells known are pretty confusing, you say it depends on level and cha but the only things I can see from the table you mention are how level affects it.
The spells on the list are pretty boring as well. At low levels your going to have the chance to either one shot the boss, have a minor effect, or cause a TPK from a critical failure leading to one of the more major effects (you also want to fix up the formatting on effects 1 and 2 on the failure lists, I think you mean you want us to reroll on the spell list again and ignore a roll of 1).

Another problem is that its a 20 level class, but you don't get anything new past level 1 except more spells (which don't even different if I'm reading this correctly). You might want to make it so that you different "spell levels" for wild magic so that you have a chance to cast a spell that is level appropriate (buff the power level a bit due to unpredictability).

[Milskidasith]

This is an incredibly flawed class. It has one class feature, it gets an incredibly front loaded number of that class feature at level 1 and gets near nothing for a few levels after that, and you get to roll to either do nothing useful or get a metamagic enhanced high level spell.

Here are the design flaws with just the concept of the class, let alone the specifics of balance:

It's incredibly front loaded. You get 1/4th of the resources you have at level 20 at level 1.

It's far too random. Far from being a die roll that may or may not hit, you roll a die every time you cast to either TPK your party with a chained disintegrate fumble (roll a 3, roll to chain, roll a 1, roll disintegrate), or do the same to the entire enemy team, starting at level 1. You shouldn't be able to do that.

It has no class features. Well, it has one, which has problems already mentioned.

It's not good fluffwise. Even though they control wild magic, or at least seem to have some control over it, a level 20 character can hardly do anything with it, and is in fact more likely to do something piddly that other casters can do essentially at will.

The class is terrible at higher levels. At low levels, you want to dip into this just because, hey, 5/day possible encounter enders with it also possibly being a simple magic missile spell, already usable at this level, if not good, is pretty broken. At higher levels, it's worthless, because it's slightly more uses per day and at that point magic missile and the like are totally worthless so casting it is a waste of an action (excluding certain enemies, metamagic/force missile mage cheese, reserves of strength for higher numbers of missiles, etc.)

[Strudel110]

Thanks I didn't know how to do the tables. The class is a work in progress and I'll be changing it up a bit, I'm working on the random deflector ability, changing the spells to make them less boring, and hopefully cutting down on dice rolls and confusion. The class should be mostly fixed later, I'll have to make it less powerful at low levels and more at high levels. I think when spells backfire there should still be a DC allowed to take half damage or negate the effect. Thanks for the advice.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Another issue is that nobody seems to really understand how Wild Magic works, thematically. This is more of a Russian Roulette mage: you get a spell at random from a predetermined list. True Wild Magic, in my mind, wouldn't involve a table at all, but rather DM edict. For example...

Botched a disintegrate spell? Cool. Any of these might happen:

• The object targeted doubles in size.
• The ray solidifies into some solid substance, permanently connecting you to the target.
• The object explodes violently.
• You and the object trade places.
• The object becomes supernaturally durable.

And so forth, for as much creativity as the DM cares to throw at you. It's Wild Magic. You can't stick it on a table...that's just slightly more random magic.

Anyway, just this posters 2cp.

[Milskidasith]

Originally Posted by Djinn_In_Tonic

Another issue is that nobody seems to really understand how Wild Magic works, thematically. This is more of a Russian Roulette mage: you get a spell at random from a predetermined list. True Wild Magic, in my mind, wouldn't involve a table at all, but rather DM edict. For example...

Botched a disintegrate spell? Cool. Any of these might happen:

• The object targeted doubles in size.
• The ray solidifies into some solid substance, permanently connecting you to the target.
• The object explodes violently.
• You and the object trade places.
• The object becomes supernaturally durable.

And so forth, for as much creativity as the DM cares to throw at you. It's Wild Magic. You can't stick it on a table...that's just slightly more random magic.

Anyway, just this posters 2cp.

There's no way to ever put a class that is essentially "DM Fiat controls how this class works" in D&D, because if you aren't using rolls, you might as well not be playing D&D and just free form RPing.

[Temotei]

Originally Posted by Milskidasith

There's no way to ever put a class that is essentially "DM Fiat controls how this class works" in D&D, because if you aren't using rolls, you might as well not be playing D&D and just free form RPing.

Which furthers your point that there should be more class features.

[Strudel110]

Table 1: The Wild Mage
Base

Level	Attack Bonus	FortSave	RefSave	WillSave	Special
1st	+0	+0	+0	+2	Wild Magic
2nd	+1	+0	+0	+3	Focus Magic
3rd	+1	+1	+1	+3	Chaos Wall/ 1 times per day
4th	+2	+1	+1	+4	Student of Chaos
5th	+2	+1	+1	+4
6th	+3	+2	+2	+5	Spell Stability/ 1 times per day
7th	+3	+2	+2	+5	Chaos Wall/ 2 times per day
8th	+4	+2	+2	+6	Greater Focus Magic
9th	+4	+3	+3	+6
10th	+5	+3	+3	+7	Spell Stability/ 2 times per day
11th	+5	+3	+3	+7	Master of Chaos
12th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8
13th	+6/+1	+4	+4	+8	Spell Stability/ 4 times per day
14th	+7/+2	+4	+4	+9	Master Focus Magic
15th	+7/+2	+5	+5	+9
16th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10	Chaos Wall/ 4times per day
17th	+8/+3	+5	+5	+10	Wild Master
18th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11
19th	+9/+4	+6	+6	+11	Spell Stability/ 6 times per day
20th	+10/+5	+6	+6	+12	Chaos Incarnate

Table 2:

Level	# of spells
1	5
2	6
3	6
4	7
5	7
6	8
7	8
8	8
9	9
10	9
11	10
12	10
13	12
14	12
15	13
16	15
17	16
18	17
19	20
20	20

Wild Spell Effects, Table -3
Roll 1d20 and look at chart for effect.

#rolled	effect
1	Critical Backfire (see Table 5)
2	Daze
3	Cause Fear
4	Ray of Frost
5	Chaos Effect
6	Ray of Enfeeblement
7	Flare
8	Hypnotism
9	Chill touch
10	Alternate spell shape(see table-4)
11	Sleep
12	Burning hands
13	Color Spray
14	Magic Missile
15	Chaos Effect
16	Shocking Grasp
17	Magic Weapon
18	Summon Monster I
19	Reduce Person
20	Roll again twice, use both spells as one may choose different target

Alternate spell shapes, Table-4
roll a 1d4 die for effect

#rolled	shape
1	Ranged touch (300ft.)
2	Cone (20ft)
3	Ranged blast (Range 300ft.)(Area:20ft)
4	Chain (Range 300ft)save:ref half(Targets: One primary target, plus one secondary target/level each of which must be within 30 ft. of the primary target)secondary targets take only half damage.

Critical Spell Failure, Table-5
roll a 1d8 die

#rolled	effect
1	targets self, will save allowed for half dmg.
2	-1 on attack rolls 1d4 turns
3	Casts enlarge person/creature spell on enemy
4	Caster stunned 1 round
5	Cast mirror image creates 1d4 illusions of foe
6	Heal 1d6 on foe
7	Caster's clothing and armor fall off
8	Forms bubbles

Chaos Effect, Table-6
roll a 1d8 die

#rolled	effect
1	Shifting Colors
2	Bother
3	Exposure
4	Feathered Frenzy
5	Touch of Chaos
6	Force Bubbles
7	Eldritch Horror
8	Plane Shuffle

Chaos Effects
Shifting Colors:Fills enemies vision with shifting lights and colors, -1 on attack rolls 1d4 turns
Bother:A loud droning noise echoes through your enemies mind, -1 on Will saves for 1d4 turns
Exposure:Causes enemies clothing/armor to fall off magically within 20 feet of caster
Feathered Frenzy:Hundreds of birds magically burst forth from another plane, 20ft cone stuns enemy 1 turn and provokes attack of opportunity
Touch of Chaos:Transforms an enemies weapon into a swarm of otherworldly butterflies, 1d6 rounds must make opposed Will DC on magic items.
Force Bubbles:Seemingly harmless and indescernible from normal bubbles Force Bubbles explode violently with pure force, when an enemy touches one they all explode simutaneously, does 1d4+1 force dmg for every two caster levels beyond 1st,you gain an additional exposion—two at 3rd
level, three at 5th, four at 7th, and the
maximum of five missiles at 9th level or
higher, takes up an area of 20ft.
Eldritch Horror:A blast of pure insanity, ranged touch attack, enemy must make opposed will save or become insane for 1d6 rounds
Plane Shuffle:Sends an enemy hurling through several planes of existence until they reappear in their own shaken and damaged from the trip, ranged touch attack enemy reappears in 1d6+1 rounds and takes 2d6 dmg with no saves or AC allowed.
Special Abilities and Feats
Focus Magic: Starting at level 2 the wild mage may replace two spells on the Wild Magic list, with two Sorcerer spells of the mages level or lower when leveling up. Spells cannot be on the list twice. Increases by one with each level of the ability, for example Yik-yar is level 5 and has gained Greater Focus Magic and therefore can exchange three of his existing spells with level 5 or lower spells.
Student of Chaos:When the Wild Mage casts a chaos effect there is a 25% chance that they may roll again and add a spell effect also.
Master of Chaos:When the Wild Mage casts a chaos effect there is a 5o% chance that they may roll again and add a spell effect also.
Chaos Incarnate:When the Wild Mage casts a chaos effect there is a 75% chance that they may roll again and add a spell effect also, they may also reroll one spell roll a day.
Spell Stability:15% chance to negate critical backfire.
Chaos WallCreates a 20ft by 20ft wall of swirling energy that stops both physical and magical attacks, it's hitpoints equal the caster's level times 10, when hit it emits a Chaos Effect (Table-6)
Wild Master:unknown as of yet

[JoshuaZ]

Originally Posted by Milskidasith

There's no way to ever put a class that is essentially "DM Fiat controls how this class works" in D&D, because if you aren't using rolls, you might as well not be playing D&D and just free form RPing.

You could have a class that had as an option on the table DM's discretion. You could even have multiple such roles each with different degrees of danger: DM's complete discretion, mild harm, mildly amusing, something potentially fatal, Etc.

[Strudel110]

Fixed! More abilities and a better spell system that levels with your character, with random effects and a defensive ability.

[DracoDei]

Originally Posted by Milskidasith

There's no way to ever put a class that is essentially "DM Fiat controls how this class works" in D&D, because if you aren't using rolls, you might as well not be playing D&D and just free form RPing.

Well, you have the D&D rules to cover everything ELSE, and then just have that ONE thing as completely free-form... very odd, but I am not sure it COULDN'T work...

[Strudel110]

Originally Posted by DracoDei

Well, you have the D&D rules to cover everything ELSE, and then just have that ONE thing as completely free-form... very odd, but I am not sure it COULDN'T work...

Meh I like my way better, anyone actually have feedback to give?

[Milskidasith]

Originally Posted by DracoDei

Well, you have the D&D rules to cover everything ELSE, and then just have that ONE thing as completely free-form... very odd, but I am not sure it COULDN'T work...

The problem is that D&D is designed to give you mechanical incentives for certain actions and such, so the DM can't really screw with your/overload you with awesome you don't really have without breaking the rules. With wild magic, every failure is a way to fiat kill a player you don't like, save them in a dramatically appropriate fashion, or teleport the BBEG right to the device he was trying to get to so you can finish the campaign faster. No matter what you do, if there's one freeform thing the other PCs will always see it as the DM actively out to get them if it punishes them, and there is a very real chance it would.

Tables for how badly it hurts you *could* work, except we already kind of have that, seeing as you fluff up attacks and such... not every critical hit is going to be exactly the same.

[Strudel110]

Originally Posted by Milskidasith

The problem is that D&D is designed to give you mechanical incentives for certain actions and such, so the DM can't really screw with your/overload you with awesome you don't really have without breaking the rules. With wild magic, every failure is a way to fiat kill a player you don't like, save them in a dramatically appropriate fashion, or teleport the BBEG right to the device he was trying to get to so you can finish the campaign faster. No matter what you do, if there's one freeform thing the other PCs will always see it as the DM actively out to get them if it punishes them, and there is a very real chance it would.

Tables for how badly it hurts you *could* work, except we already kind of have that, seeing as you fluff up attacks and such... not every critical hit is going to be exactly the same.

Who came up with this idea anyhow, although I agree with you about the DM abuse I won't use that idea anyway, also I added Chaos effect and Alternate shape to make interesting combinations.

[Hadrian_Emrys]

I'm not really sure what I can say about this concept that could not be better expressed by simply creating a class of my own and posting a link to it in this thread. My impression of what a wild mage is supposed to be comes from the notion that they are people who tap into the raw magic in the world, and sometimes end up on the wrong end of the forces that they tinker with. Thus, I agree that a class with such a rigidly defined set of results is not thematically accurate by any stretch of the term. I do not mean to come off too harsh, but this really is a good concept with laking execution.

[Strudel110]

While I respect your opinion I must ask you, did you read the rules? the class promotes randomness, the basic spells are changed as you level, every spell you cast is random, it may change shape, and it may be accompanied by chaotic effects. While appreciate other peoples ideas of what a wild mage is that's not why I made this thread. Wild mage by the way was a class in 2nd edition not something I made up, so what people think a wild mage is and what it really is are two different things. I made this thread to update and define rules for 3.5 wild mages (the original 3.5 version blows) so if anyone has any ideas for feats or notices any bad rules please feel free to post about it, but I'd like to refrain from any steps backwards.

[Rainbownaga]

I think you should add some more rule clarifications (in spoilers if necessary) to clear it up once you've got it balanced.

I'm not as skilled as some of the forumites, but I would point out that the level 2 ability needs some clarification. Do the sorcerer spells have to be offensive spells? What does "of the mages level" mean precisely (you appear to mean 'that it could cast if it were a wizard' which is a little confusing). What happens if they pick arcane fusion?

[Strudel110]

Originally Posted by Rainbownaga

I think you should add some more rule clarifications (in spoilers if necessary) to clear it up once you've got it balanced.

I'm not as skilled as some of the forumites, but I would point out that the level 2 ability needs some clarification. Do the sorcerer spells have to be offensive spells? What does "of the mages level" mean precisely (you appear to mean 'that it could cast if it were a wizard' which is a little confusing). What happens if they pick arcane fusion?

Very good questions, 1st no they don't have to be offensive even if your targetting an enemy and you roll mage armor or shield it will affect you not your enemy in theory you could make a wild mage with little to no offensive spells in fact I recommend adding spells that stun or reduce your enemies rolls and saves, 2nd the wild mage uses sorcerer spells, so of the mages level means that if your level 4 you may exchange the allowed number of spells for level 4 or lower spells.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Originally Posted by Strudel110

...2nd the wild mage uses sorcerer spells, so of the mages level means that if your level 4 you may exchange the allowed number of spells for level 4 or lower spells.

I hope you intended to say "of a level that a Sorcerer of your level could cast." Otherwise we're talking about 17th-18th level spells being tossed around by a level 9 Wild Mage...and that's not good balance by any stretch of the means.

[Strudel110]

Yes that's what I mean, did I write it in another language or something, cause I thought it made sense?

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Originally Posted by Strudel110

Focus Magic: Starting at level 2 the wild mage may replace two spells on the Wild Magic list, with two Sorcerer spells of the mages level or lower when leveling up. Spells cannot be on the list twice. Increases by one with each level of the ability, for example Yik-yar is level 5 and has gained Greater Focus Magic and therefore can exchange three of his existing spells with level 5 or lower spells.

Problem is that spell levels and character levels aren't the same. This should read as follows:

Originally Posted by Strudel110

Focus Magic: Starting at level 2, each time the Wild Mage levels up, he may replace up to two spells on the Wild Magic list with up to two spells that a Sorcerer of the Wild Mage's class level would be able to cast. Spells cannot be on the list twice. The number of spells a Wild Mage may replace increases by one with each new level of Focus Magic. For example: Yik-yar is level 8 and has gained Greater Focus Magic, and may therefore can exchange up to three of his existing spells with any spell an 8th level Sorcerer would be able to cast (in this case, any Arcane spell of 4th level or lower that appears on the Sorcerer's spell list).

[Temotei]

Originally Posted by Strudel110

Yes that's what I mean, did I write it in another language or something, cause I thought it made sense?

Yes. It's in English.

[Strudel110]

Originally Posted by Djinn_In_Tonic

Problem is that spell levels and character levels aren't the same. This should read as follows:

Whoops that's what I meant thanks for catching that.

[Strudel110]

So I had an Idea for the Wild Master ability but I forgot what it was, any suggestions?