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Old 09-09-2007, 12:01 AM   Top  -  End  -  #1
Kai-Palin
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Default Defender of Life (PrC)

Okay, this is my first publically displayed PrC, so please be gentle, but honest. I can take constructive criticism, just word it nicely.

Cadeucic Life Warder

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Requirements
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Hit Die: d4
LevelBase Attack BonusFort SaveRef SaveWill SaveSpecialCaster level
1st
+0
+2
+0
+2
Code of Conduct; Totem Tree of Life+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
2nd
+1
+3
+0
+3
Mobility; Domain Branches+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
3rd
+1
+3
+1
+3
Foundation Stone; Channel Ouroboros+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
4th
+2
+4
+1
+4
Natural Healer+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
5th
+2
+4
+1
+4
Capstone; Preserver's Shield+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
6th
+3
+5
+2
+5
Foundation Adept; Channel élan vital+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
7th
+3
+5
+2
+5
Ouroboros Master+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
8th
+4
+6
+2
+6
Capstone Adept+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
9th
+4
+6
+3
+6
Foundation Master+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class
10th
+5
+7
+3
+7
Snakestone; 2/day Preserver's Shield+1 level of existing eligible spellcasting class


Skill points/level: 4+Int modifier
Class skills: Autohypnosis, Concentration, Craft (all), Diplomacy, Heal, Knowledge (All except Architecture and Engineering, Dungeoneering, Nobility and Royalty), Profession, Spellcraft, Truespeak
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Stones
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So there it is. Thanks for getting to this point. I would love any constructive criticism you have to offer. Especially with the abilities of the stones, coming up with new ones and/or balancing the existing ones.
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Old 09-09-2007, 02:08 AM   Top  -  End  -  #2
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Default Re: Stand back, silly cleric! (PrC)

I take it the snakes actually grow? This is implied, but the rate of growth with leveling up is never specified.

Seems they should somehow get access to True Ressurection (and maybe True Reincarnate)...

And especially if so:
MAYBE allow diamonds for snake-stones... these are allowed to be of any total value equal to or greater than 8,500 gp and provide no new ability... but their full value counts toward the Channel Ouroboros total.
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Old 09-09-2007, 11:20 AM   Top  -  End  -  #3
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Default Re: Stand back, silly cleric! (PrC)

Well, the thing about the stones on the staff is that even though they aren't diamonds, they can be used as diamonds for the resurrection (and reincarnate, true, raise dead, etc.) cost, just without using up the actual stones.
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Old 09-09-2007, 03:51 PM   Top  -  End  -  #4
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But without this, you can't get up to the 25,000 gp value needed for True Res. as I read it... or CAN you put overvalued stone in anyway for just such a purpose?
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Old 09-09-2007, 04:14 PM   Top  -  End  -  #5
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Default Re: Stand back, silly cleric! (PrC)

  • Why does the chart say +1 existing eligible spellcasting class?
  • 'Except' (in the skills) doesn't need to be in all caps.
  • The class abilities need to have (Ex), (Su), or (Sp) after them, to indicate what they are.

Nice class, and good fluff.
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Old 09-09-2007, 06:41 PM   Top  -  End  -  #6
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But without this, you can't get up to the 25,000 gp value needed for True Res. as I read it... or CAN you put overvalued stone in anyway for just such a purpose?
No, you can't get the 25,000 GP needed for True Res, but you DO get a discount for each of the "stones" you use in the spell. At tenth level, if you use ALL the stones, you can subtract 15,500gp from the cost, allowing you to cast a True Ressurection for the low, low cost of 9,500gp worth of diamonds. If you allowed people to put in overpriced stones, that would just mean the players would end up putting in a 25,000gp diamond at level 5, and being able to True Res for free from then on out, which is more than a little broken, IMO.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:07 PM   Top  -  End  -  #7
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No, you can't get the 25,000 GP needed for True Res, but you DO get a discount for each of the "stones" you use in the spell. At tenth level, if you use ALL the stones, you can subtract 15,500gp from the cost, allowing you to cast a True Ressurection for the low, low cost of 9,500gp worth of diamonds. If you allowed people to put in overpriced stones, that would just mean the players would end up putting in a 25,000gp diamond at level 5, and being able to True Res for free from then on out, which is more than a little broken, IMO.
Exactly. Although I think I may have done my math a bit off, because I intended to have it contribute 17,500gp to the cost.

Could you help me out with the (Ex), (Su), and (Sp) abilities? I don't quite know a good definition, and so what to make each class ability.
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Old 09-09-2007, 07:47 PM   Top  -  End  -  #8
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Could you help me out with the (Ex), (Su), and (Sp) abilities? I don't quite know a good definition, and so what to make each class ability.
Extraordinary ability (Ex): A nonmagical special ability (as opposed to a spell-like or supernatural ability).

Spell-like ability (Sp): A special ability with effects that resemble those of a spell. In most cases, a spell-like ability works just like the spell of the same name.

Supernatural ability (Su): A magical power that produces a particular effect, as opposed to a natural, extraordinary, or spell-like ability. Using a supernatural ability generally does not provoke an attack or opportunity. Supernatural abilities are not subject to dispelling, disruption or spell resistance. However, they do not function in areas where magic is suppressed or negated, such as inside an antimagic field.

Judging by the class's flavor, I'm betting this class's abilities all would be Supernatural; nothing that could be dispelled, but something that couldn't function in anti-magic fields.
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Old 09-12-2007, 07:53 PM   Top  -  End  -  #9
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((Just because I'd like some more opinions... bump))

Also, any additional stones for the staff, I'd love your ideas. The idea is to have the foundation and capstones allow the user to cast a useful (if rather obscure, think neutralize poison or remove curse) spell that might not otherwise be on their class spell list.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:51 AM   Top  -  End  -  #10
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Default Re: Defender of Life (PrC)

I really like the tone of this class. Some rough stone ideas for you:

Sapphire: Some kind of protective effect would seem suitable for this. Resist elements, perhaps.

Emerald: Restoration?

Jade: Thoroughly in keeping with this class, given the association with healing/immortality. Some kind of bonus to avoiding problems with resurrection/reincarnation spells?

Topaz Some harmless combat ability, like a Fear or sleep effect?

Stones could have automatic metamagics to get to the intended level, such as Extended Aid, or similar.
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