Qwertystop's Unexpected-To-Everyone-Or-At-Least-To-Him Random Banter #210

[Rawhide]

Darths and Droids

Summon bigger fish!

[LaZodiac]

Medidroid: She's lost the will to live.

Lets not forget that in script right ups and other supplementary materials, it's explained that the Medidroids used to operate on her don't actually have human information, so they were unable to determine what actually killed her and thus said that stupid line. It was literally a case of the robots not realizing that humans needed windpipes being not crushed to live.

[HalfTangible]

Are you just saying that because Doug Walker said it?

No but that is why I'm calling it 'the opera scene' instead of 'the theatre scene'

Anakin: I don't like sand. It's coarse, rough and it gets everywhere. Not like you. You're everything soft and smooth.

Checkmate!

... how did i forget that one...

Summon bigger fish!

"You're going to leave the fate of the entire galaxy to ONE dice roll?!
......
I have just the die."

[DJ Yung Crunk]

... how did i forget that one...

Well I was just quoting from Anakin v. Obi-Wan. Then you guys went and changed the rules. Had I been given the opportunity to quote that right off the bat I would have.

[Coidzor]

Lets not forget that in script right ups and other supplementary materials, it's explained that the Medidroids used to operate on her don't actually have human information, so they were unable to determine what actually killed her and thus said that stupid line. It was literally a case of the robots not realizing that humans needed windpipes being not crushed to live.

Dying because of contrived medical incompetence doesn't really make it better, though. Especially when it means that not only were they incompetent, but also, y'know, overtly lying, which, y'know, if we're supposed to actually embrace the idea that droids are an oppressed underclass that are looking for any way they can to get back at their meatbag overlords, sure... Otherwise not so much.

[HalfTangible]

Dying because of contrived medical incompetence doesn't really make it better, though. Especially when it means that not only were they incompetent, but also, y'know, overtly lying, which, y'know, if we're supposed to actually embrace the idea that droids are an oppressed underclass that are looking for any way they can to get back at their meatbag overlords, sure... Otherwise not so much.

It stinks of a retcon to me.

[LaZodiac]

Dying because of contrived medical incompetence doesn't really make it better, though. Especially when it means that not only were they incompetent, but also, y'know, overtly lying, which, y'know, if we're supposed to actually embrace the idea that droids are an oppressed underclass that are looking for any way they can to get back at their meatbag overlords, sure... Otherwise not so much.

Well the Droid's aren't lying, as much as you'd say that a calculator that was told 1+1=3 isn't lying when it tells you that 1+2=5. It has the wrong information, so according to it's (assumed) professionalism, she died of a "broken heart" because that's what the droid doctor gleaned from it's diagnoses. It's not IT'S fault it wasn't installed with human biology so it could tell humans needed throats to live.

I'm not saying this makes it better in any way really. But she's not ZOIDBERG, she's just a robot that people trusted because "it is a robot" without realizing it is designed for alien use only.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

It stinks of a retcon to me.

No ****.

Retcons are this genre's bread and buddha.

[LaZodiac]

It stinks of a retcon to me.

HT, due to Disney, more of Star Wars is non canon then is. It's actually kind of ridiculous.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

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[factotum]

It stinks of a retcon to me.

You mean, like the retcon that all the black holes around Kessel make navigating a short route really difficult, so that when Han said he did the run in less than 12 parsecs he actually *did* mean a unit of distance?

[HalfTangible]

HT, due to Disney, more of Star Wars is non canon then is. It's actually kind of ridiculous.

Most of the EU was garbage anyway and it's not like Lucas ever paid much attention to it.

Heck, half the reason the EU was thrown out was because Lucas didn't keep notes on what was in continuity and what wasn't.

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You hang out on an internet forum devoted to a webcomic about DnD gaming where basic knowledge of the d20 system (if not DnD itself) is basically required until the third or fourth book. You imitate the art style of said webcomic for your online representation and your name is formed from poor literacy and slang from before the turn of the millennium. By any definition that means anything, you're a nerd too

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I just threw up in my soul a little.

I stopped watching Doctor Who because its complete and utter disregard - no, not disregard, contempt - for keeping facts about the setting straight (even for a single episode) made it impossible for me to care about anyone or anything in the entire show. If that's your bag of marbles, fine, but don't act like it's even close to decent, or a way that other shows can or should handle their own continuity.

You mean, like the retcon that all the black holes around Kessel make navigating a short route really difficult, so that when Han said he did the run in less than 12 parsecs he actually *did* mean a unit of distance?

The original trilogy wasn't perfect, no. The difference is that THAT retcon didn't make the characters even dumber (you didn't get a HUMAN medical bot for your HUMAN patient?! You didn't realize 'lost the will to live' meant the droid was incompetent? If it didn't know human biology how did it manage to birth the twins?! ARRGH) or require twisting the scene like a towel to make it work.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I just threw up in my soul a little.

I stopped watching Doctor Who because its complete and utter disregard - no, not disregard, contempt - for keeping facts about the setting straight (even for a single episode) made it impossible for me to care about anyone or anything in the entire show. If that's your bag of marbles, fine, but don't act like it's even close to decent, or a way that other shows can or should handle their own continuity.

See, I stopped watching Doctor Who because it became crispy fried garbage once Russell T Davies got his grubby little mitts on it.

Doctor Who is not a "big picture" show (one of the things the new series doesn't quite grasp.) It's almost anthological, even. Pedantic fact checking is anathema to the individuality of each new serial.

[Rawhide]

Russell T Davies

Not Steven Moffat?

[DJ Yung Crunk]

Not Steven Moffat?

Moffat is an improvement. Now the show is merely boring, instead of actively offensive.

[Asta Kask]

Also I will never, not even once, be able to comprehend how someone could write "Only the Sith deal in absolutes, said the Jedi" and not realize the error that has been made.

Only a Sith deals in elementary logic.

[Rawhide]

Moffat is an improvement. Now the show is [not] actively offensive.

(stuff in [] changed from "merely boring, instead of" to show context)

I know many women who would disagree with you.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

I know many women who would disagree with you.

I wasn't referring to that. I'm currently listening to this song so... You know... I've never let a little misogyny get in the way of enjoying something.

Even if I did, though, I'm not sure RTD's habit of having his female companions willingly subsume their identity to get into the Doctor fanclub was much better.

[AtlanteanTroll]

It is 7:15 AM. I must remember to sleep.

[Solse]

While I was sleeping, it looks like I missed out on a huge argument, where, in traditional GitP fashion, nobody was offended and it was more of a pleasant debate.

ION: I just got a Fight Pad in the mail to make up for the Great Adapter Shortage of 2014. It's a hell of a lot better than playing Smash on the gamepad.

IOON: My computer charger literally ripped in half, so for the next day or so I'll be posting from my phone. Please excuse any grammatical errors or typos that I make.

[DJ Yung Crunk]

While I was sleeping, it looks like I missed out on a huge argument, where, in traditional GitP fashion, nobody was offended and it was more of a pleasant debate.

What a boring notion.

It's not a proper internet fight if someone doesn't leave the message board over hurt feelings.

[Rawhide]

I wasn't referring to that. I'm currently listening to this song so... You know... I've never let a little misogyny get in the way of enjoying something.

Even if I did, though, I'm not sure RTD's habit of having his female companions willingly subsume their identity to get into the Doctor fanclub was much better.

Point is, there are many who do think it is actively offensive.

[FinnLassie]

Oh gosh, I'm far too excited to be able to follow the Presidential ball live this year. Gotta judge those ugly dresses.

[LaZodiac]

Only a Sith deals in elementary logic.

The best thing about that line is how absolutely wrong it is, by it's very nature. The statement is itself an absolute. Not only that, but one of the most famous lines, one of the most IMPORTANT lines in the series is, from Yoda.

"DO OR DO NOT, THERE IS NO TRY"

So not only is it logically incorrect (Sith aren't the only ones who deal in absolutes) literally wrong AS a statement (it is in fact an absolute to say this, so you are disproving this statement) but also wrong from a in series sense (Jedi deal in absolutes all the time). It's a microcosm of everything wrong with the Prequel series.

Oh gosh, I'm far too excited to be able to follow the Presidential ball live this year. Gotta judge those ugly dresses.

JUDGEMENT!

*spawns a beggar*

[Asta Kask]

This was hilarious:

[HalfTangible]

Only a Sith deals in elementary logic.

You'll notice that up until that point, Obi-Wan still is trying to talk to Anakin, despite the fact that he's clearly fallen to the dark side.

Point is, there are many who do think it is actively offensive.

I think he was referring to actual episode quality, not how the women in the show are treated.

Not that that should be ignored, because it shouldn't >.> it's just a separate issue

See, I stopped watching Doctor Who because it became crispy fried garbage once Russell T Davies got his grubby little mitts on it.

Doctor Who is not a "big picture" show (one of the things the new series doesn't quite grasp.) It's almost anthological, even. Pedantic fact checking is anathema to the individuality of each new serial.

It is not 'pedantic fact checking' to ask that you keep your continuity straight for a single season. Or even just one serial! And if you're going to try and build a mystery out of your story you need to keep your continuity straight at least until the mystery is solved (looking at you, Silence).

[Asta Kask]

You'll notice that up until that point, Obi-Wan still is trying to talk to Anakin, despite the fact that he's clearly fallen to the dark side.

Dark side... light side... still not a terribly good actor (although with the dialogue...)

[HalfTangible]

Dark side... light side... still not a terribly good actor (although with the dialogue...)

Hayden Christensen's actually a good actor, it's just the dialogue and direction that suck. Look at any scene where he doesn't have to talk and he looks like a badass. Also, compare his dialogue with Luke's in RotJ and you'll notice they both sound heartless and cold.

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That one I DID get from Doug

[enderlord99]

The only thing I like about (any part of) Star Wars is the lightsabers. That's because, although I'm not that into Sci-Fi, they're freakin' LAZER SWORDS! I have no opinion whatsoever on Doctor Who.

[Coidzor]

Hayden Christensen's actually a good actor, it's just the dialogue and direction that suck. Look at any scene where he doesn't have to talk and he looks like a badass. Also, compare his dialogue with Luke's in RotJ and you'll notice they both sound heartless and cold.

In the words of Joe Hokage from Naruto: The Abridged Series or whatever while he was watching Moulin Rouge, "Make me Cry, Ewan MacGregor."

Also, he's mostly just a pouty teenager who is already evil in the second movie rather than a badass, and I say this as someone who was quite the pouty teenager and was, in fact, a pouty, emo teenager creature when Attack of the Clones came out.