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It's Eberron, not ebberon.
It's not high magic, it's wide magic.
And it's definitely not steampunk. The only time steam gets involved is when the fire and water elementals break loose.
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They did not. 4e has its own pantheon, but some of the gods are similar to Greyhawk deities, and a few even use the same name. Pelor is the main one that comes to mind, as well as Vecna. There is a deity named Kord, but he's different from Greyhawk. And Nerull is referenced as a former deity of death who was killed and replaced.
That wasn't Greyhawk. In 4e's Points of Light setting, the Nerull who was killed and replaced by the Raven Queen is not the Nerull of Oerth.
They're not "doing away with alignments". They're just steering away from "usually evil" for humanoid races.
4e's default setting doesn't have a name, it's just a setting that follows their "Points of Light" model. The Nentir Vale was simply where many of the lower level adventures started. There was a D&D board game that had a world map showing the Nentir Vale on it, and it's a small corner of the world.
5e has the vast majority of published adventures set in Forgotten Realms. The 5e PHB lists nine human ethnicities, and they all come from Faerun. Curse of Strahd and Ghosts of Saltmarsh were the only ones that didn't take place in FR. We had a Sword Coast book as one of the first supplements, and didn't have a second setting book until Eberron in 2019. The perception that FR is "the default of 5e" may not be concise, because it's not explicit like Greyhawk was for 3e, but it's absolutely a valid perception.
This article doesn't say Greyhawk is the default for 5.5e, it says they're going to flesh it out as an example of how to build a world.Red Mage avatar by Aedilred.
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Damn you, WotC, Mystara or nothing!
I guess they are not doing it because all these newbies would be thinking, "wait, Minthara is a setting now?!"Last edited by diplomancer; 2024-05-16 at 08:55 AM.
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I thinkt the edition that came closer to having "the multiverse" as its default setting was 2e. There were adventures and videogames taking place in all kinds of different settings, The Realms, Greyhawk, Mystara, Dark Sun, Planescape, etc.
I'd like that to be the case for every edition, but what purpose would that serve current day PCWotC? The similarities between their settings would far outweigh the differences, they may claim their setting is "the multiverse" for the sole reason that no matter what setting you are talking about they are all more or less the same one, so it doesn't matter.Wanna try the homebrew system me and my friends play? It was developed by a friend of mine and all you need to play is found here
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Yes, I think 2E at its height was supporting about ten settings all at the same time.
...and the downside of this is that you end up competing against yourself, because players invested in Setting A generall won't buy books for Setting B. This likely contributed to the bankruptcy of TSR, the company running D&D before WOTC took over. So it's just not a smart business move.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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I mean, all they'd have to do to re-earn my trust in their writing is to stop half-assing it.
The reason that Faerun feels bland and kitchen sink is because they refuse to respect the integrity of the setting. There is a metric F ton of uniqueness to that world that isn't being published because it doesn't homogeneously fit with every possible D&D property. So they just delete/ignore it.
They skipped over 100 years into the future of the last time they properly published the setting, and we know basically nothing about how the world has changed. Fix that, (and in a way that actually respects the uniqueness of the setting) and I can have faith again.
In the meantime, I will be worried for Greyhawk as I expect the exact same treatment; forcing in things that don't belong and ignoring things that make the place feel like it's own until it is the new "FR that everyone is bored with/hates."Last edited by Schwann145; 2024-05-17 at 06:45 AM.
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I'm inclined to agree. The core books won't and shouldn't explore any particular setting in detail because most groups won't use that material. The more setting-specific material is included in core, the less of it will cover anything truly distinctive, and the more of it will be generic stuff that can easily be repurposed, with notes on adapting it to other settings. Doing any particular setting justice is too niche a concern to justify the necessary space. Again, in the core books. So it will be done elsewhere if at all.
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Greyhawk was also the default setting, to the extent that there was one, for 2nd, 3rd, and 5th (I don't know about 4th). There's not much setting-specific in the 5e core rulebooks, but there are references to Mordenkainen, Tasha, Bigby, etc., all of whom are Greyhawk characters, and none to iconic characters from any of the other worlds.
Although, to be fair, the D&D movie was set in Faerun, and they still namedropped Mordenkainen there.Time travels in divers paces with divers persons.
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2e didn't really give us a default setting.
3e was Greyhawk, for sure.
4e made its own setting, but 3 of the deities (4 if you count a deity named Nerull referenced in the Raven Queen's past) share names with Greyhawk deities.
But for 5e...
Volo (of the Guide to Monsters) and the Xanathar (of the Guide to Everything) both had books published before any books bearing Mordenkainen's, Tasha's, or Bigby's name.
Driz'zt has a sidebar in the Elf racial write up in the PHB. The Human write-up lists different ethnicities of human, all of which come from FR (they list Chondathan and Rashemi, not Suel or Flan). The FR pantheon is published first in the "gods of the multiverse" Appendix (then Greyhawk, then Dragonlance, then Eberron, so it's not alphabetical).
The Sword Coast Guide was also published in the first year of 5e, which is FR. All published adventures except Curse of Strahd (Ravenloft) and Ghosts of Saltmarsh (Greyhawk) take place in Forgotten Realms.
So the case that 5e's default setting is FR is stronger than the case for Greyhawk. If you're only citing those individuals because of the spells named after them, you should know that they're all known to have traversed to different realities, and those spells are also named the same in FR.Red Mage avatar by Aedilred.
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Heh. If you're gonna bag on the planet's name of "Oreth"... how can you not bag on "Forgotten" Realms? What's exactly forgotten about it? Considering all the lore, explored lands, etc?
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However, "here's our starter setting, it's lightweight enough that you can make it your own!" is considerably better. (Coupled with a dose of "here's our starter setting, and the FR / Eberron guys at your table won't be nasally "um ackshually"-ing every plot arc you come up with!")
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Any idea what specifically about it? I can understand being bored by essentially cold wars and regional disputes between nations if you aren't into political naratives, but there's also lots of cool stuff within the Flanaess. I like the idea of uncovering a conspiracy of The Scarlet Brotherhood or infiltrating the capital city of an evil demigod to rescue a captured war-hero.
I like the diversity of the setting. All the peoples feel distinct without always having a real-world analogue. The Village of Hommlet has a direct conflict of the Temple and worshipers of zuggtmoy but also has a metaplot about the worshipers of the old faith and their conflict with the church of saint cuthbert converting followers to the cudgel while the old faith try to maintain the balance.
The least inetersting aspect is probably the wizard club drama of the circle of eight but that's always felt like a backdrop. Rescuing one of the former wizard club members from the moon was fun, though.
My overal point of what I like about the setting is that there is so much there that gives it verisimilitude. Every conflict and story has a reason for being there that fits into the world and makes sense. Making sense is always good.
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In the Age Of Worms adventure path. Later in the campaign, the party meets an archmage, whose name, I believe, is Manzorian.
His background specifies that he was part of the Circle of Eight, but was killed, and his clone on the moon activated.
Which makes him Tenser.Red Mage avatar by Aedilred.
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
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Once Gary left TSR, Mordenkainen and the Circle of Eight got a makeover.
It makes sense. Mord, the PC, was probably not that heavily invested in "Preserving the Balance" outside the balance of his treasure vault, and let's face it the whole PC Mordenkainen schtick of only having hireling/alt characters with first names that end in IGBY, (ala Bigby, Rigby, Ziggby), probably needed to change for the Greyhawk storylines of 2e.
It is a funny joke for a home game, but a little too goofy for the public at large.
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The funny thing is that I want to preface this by saying "I'm not a huge FR fan" but when I think about it I've probably read at least a couple dozen FR novels, spent hundreds of hours on FR-set video games, read and played tons of sourcebooks in the setting...
But anyway, when is this golden era you're talking about? For me one of the hallmarks of FR (a hallmark which I don't actually like) is that they have a big dumb global shakeup every time a new edition comes out because they have to in-game justify every rules change (like, they actually killed the god of murder when an edition change got rid of the assassin class).
As for the uniqueness of the setting? Man, it's kind of a grab-bag, isn't it? Like I said above, I read a ton of mediocre prose set in this world and I still only know anything about like 5% of it. If there was a "kitchen sink" era of FR it's gotta be 2e to 3e, when they were paying everyone with a pen to write junk novels and game supplements in the setting.Last edited by ZRN; 2024-05-24 at 12:59 PM.
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Avatar by linklele. How Teleport Worksa. Malifice (paraphrased):
Rulings are not 'House Rules.' Rulings are a DM doing what DMs are supposed to do.
b. greenstone (paraphrased):
Agency means that they {players} control their character's actions; you control the world's reactions to the character's actions.
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