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[Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki-Rin
.Disclaimer...I need to edit this introduction still, but I wanted to get the class online rather than keep putting it off until I had time to revise this blurb I had written while creating the PrC in our OA campaign.
Moto Chuma has found his path. For too long he has tried to fit one particular mold or another. He now knows that for good or ill, he must walk his own path. Years from now, he will establish a monastery in Unicorn lands and teach his art to those who would learn it. For now though, there are more pressing matters to attend to; the hataberu, The Wasting, and the minions of The Shadowlands freely walking the lands of the Empire.
While the teachings of Shinsei are central to his philosophy, Chuma sees his path to be more active in combating the evils of The Shadowlands. The goal should not be to shepherd the thunder, but to be the thunder. To this end, the daisho becomes an important and central piece of the order. To strike down more powerful minions of The Shadowlands requires weapons blessed and empowered by your ancestors.
While what is honorable is of great import to Moto Chuma, but he does not believe that bushido should be followed blindly. One’s conscience should guide them more than a strict code of rules.
Pre-Requisites:
Alignment: LG or LN
Base Attack Bonus: +5
Feats: Martial Weapon Proficiency Wakizashi, Empty Hand Mastery (Improved Unarmed Strike, Power Attack, Fists of Iron, Sunder, Eagle Claw Attack, Roundabout Kick, 4 or more ranks in Bluff). The details for Empty Hand Mastery may be found on page 80 of Oriental Adventures.
Skills: 4 ranks each of Tumble, Bluff, Knowledge (Religion), Knowledge (Shadowlands); and 5 ranks each of Handle Animal and Ride.
Special: Prospective members must be accepted into the Brotherhood by a current member
Class Skills:
Balance, Bluff, Climb, Concentration, Craft, Diplomacy, Escape Artist, Heal, Hide, Jump, Knowledge (religion), Knowledge (arcana), Knowledge (Shadowlands), Listen, Move Silently, Perform, Profession, Ride, Spot, Swim, and Tumble.
Skill Points per Level: 4 + Int Mod
Class Features:
Weapon and Armor Proficiencies: Members of the Brotherhood receive no additional weapon or armor proficiencies. They suffer the same penalties for wearing armor that monks do.
Monk Abilities: Members of the Brotherhood have the unarmed damage, AC Bonus, and speed of a monk with as many levels as his Ki-Rin levels plus his monk levels. Add the BAB of both classes together and consult the Multiple Unarmed Attacks Table (Oriental Advetures page 34 and reproduced below) to derive the number of attacks beyond the first the character can make during a round when executing a full attack action.
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[td]BAB[/td]
[td]Additional Unarmed Attacks[/td]
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[tr]
[td]0[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[tr]
[td]1[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]2[/td]
[td]-[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3[/td]
[td]-[/td]
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[tr]
[td]4[/td]
[td]+1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5[/td]
[td]+2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]6[/td]
[td]+3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7[/td]
[td]+4/+1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8[/td]
[td]+5/+2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]9[/td]
[td]+6/+3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]10[/td]
[td]+7/+4/+1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]11[/td]
[td]+8/+5/+2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]12[/td]
[td]+9/+6/+3[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]13[/td]
[td]+10/+7/+4/+1[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]14[/td]
[td]+11/+8/+5/+2[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]15[/td]
[td]+12/+9/+6/+3[/td]
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[td]Level[/td]
[td]BAB[/td]
[td]Fort[/td]
[td]Ref[/td]
[td]Will[/td]
[td]Special[/td]
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[tr]
[td]1[/td]
[td]0[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]Ancestral Daisho[/td]
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[tr]
[td]2[/td]
[td]1[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]Dance of the Daisho[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]3[/td]
[td]2[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]Detect Taint, Flying Kick[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]4[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]Mettle, Gatherer of Winds[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]5[/td]
[td]3[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]As the Body, Wisdom of the Ki-Rin[/td]
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[tr]
[td]6[/td]
[td]4[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]Snatch Arrow, Fury of the Ki-Rin[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]7[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]5[/td]
[td]Ki Strike +1, Ride the Wind[/td]
[/tr]
[tr]
[td]8[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]Diamond Soul, Ancestral Guidance[/td]
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[tr]
[td]9[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]6[/td]
[td]Walk Through the Mountains[/td]
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[td]10[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]7[/td]
[td]Riddle of Invulnerability, Mind of the Ki-Rin[/td]
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Ancestral Daisho: This mirrors the 1st level ability of the samurai class as described on page 21 of Oriental Adventures. As an alternate, the Rokugan book shows an XP cost that can be paid in place of gold for advancing your weaponry on page 31. You may or may not wish to allow this option for both samurai and members of the Brotherhood in your campaign.
Dance of the Daisho: Both the Katana and the Wakizashi can be used as unarmed attacks per the monk rules/restrictions. However, if one wanted to wield both simultaneously, they would still need Exotic Weapon Proficiency: Katana.
Detect Taint: At will, a brother or sister of the ki-rin can Detect Taint as described on page 101 of Oriental Adventures. Outside the featured campaign setting of Rokugan, they may Detect Evil instead.
Flying Kick: As per the feat in Oriental Adventures on page 62, however pre-requisites do not apply.
Mettle: At 4th level, a brother/sister of the ki-rin’s special blessing allows him to shrug off magical effects that would otherwise harm him/her. If he/she makes a successful Will or Fortitude saving throw that would normally reduce the spells effect, he/she suffers no effect from that spell at all.
Gatherer of Winds: As per the feat in Rokugan on page 50. This ability grants a +2 AC bonus vs. Ranged Attacks.
As the Body: A brother or sister of the ki-rin can do their unarmed damage with a daisho. For example, the katana is no longer limited to d10 as base damage; instead a monk used his/her unarmed damage per the table in the Player’s Handbook.
Wisdom of the Ki-Rin: Before progressing to this level, a brother or sister of the ki-rin must seek out the living embodiment of their clan, the ki-rin, and offer to assist it in any task it chooses. In exchange, the ki-rin will impart a portion of its wisdom and teachings to the monk granting him/her a permanent +2 Inherent bonus to Wisdom.
Snatch Arrow: As per the feat in Sword and Fist.
Ki Strike +1: As per the Player’s Handbook.
Ride the Wind: Once per day for every two levels, the brother/sister may fly as per the spell or confer the gift of flight on another. Treat this as if bestowed by a caster of the sum of the characters Monk levels + Ki-Rin levels.
Diamond Soul: As per the Player’s Handbook. SR of 20 + the sum of your monk and Ki-Rin levels.
Ancestral Guidance: At 8th level a brother/sister can use Commune With Greater Spirit once per two weeks as a cleric of the monk’s character level. He/she need not pay the XP component cost for the spell.
Fury of the Ki-Rin: Once plus his/her wisdom modifier times per day, a monk may invoke thunder on their unarmed strikes doing an additional d6 sonic damage per successful unarmed attack. The aura lasts for 1 round for every two levels of the brother/sister of the ki-rin. This ability may only be used against those who carry the Shadowlands taint or who are evil in alignment.
Walk Through the Mountains: Like the ki-rin, a brother/sister of 9th level or higher can assume an ethereal state for 2 rounds per level per day, as per the spell etherealness. The brother/sister may go ethereal on a number of different occasions during any single day so long as the total number of rounds does not exceed twice his/her level.
Riddle of Invulnerability: At 10th level brothers/sisters gain damage reduction 3/-.
Mind of the Ki-Rin: At 10th level brothers/sisters can communicate telepathically, but only with those they could normally converse with. Thus language restrictions, and distance apply.
"If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..."
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2004-07-21, 02:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
I'm not going to be able to offer you a lot of feedback on balance and such, because I'm not familiar with OA at all. I can offer a few things, however.
Originally Posted by Melifaxis
Alignment: Lawful Good or Lawful Neutral
Feats: Empty Hand Mastery (I'm assuming it's a feat), Exotic Weapon Proficiency (Daisho) (I'm assuming it's a weapon and it's exotic)
Skills: Tumble 4 ranks, Knowledge (Religion) 4 ranks, Knowledge (Shadowlands) 4 ranks, Handle Animal 5 ranks, Ride 5 ranks
Special: Spoken with a Ki-Rin, and also Accepted into the Brotherhood by a current member
Formatting aside, the requirements seem really steep for a monk. Unless there's OA rules that change this, Knowledge (Shadowlands), Handle Animal and Ride are all cross class skills. That's is a lot of skill ranks to require cross-class.
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You should type the bonus - probably Inherent.
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It sounds like a great ability, but this is kind of weak. It's really only going to protect the Monk from the attacks of animals, since just about every humanoid foe at this point will have a magical weapon.
Originally Posted by Melifaxis
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I know I sounded really critical (it's becoming a common theme, it seems). Some of my comments might be trumped by things in OA that make the abilities better, of course. The class has nice flavor, in my opinion, but comes up a little short on the power scale. We're talking about a character who is at least 7th level (and quite likely higher) upon entering this class. That means we're talking about a 17th level character when discussing the 10th level ability. I want more bang for my buck at 17th character level.John Ling
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2004-07-21, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
You're feedback is very much appreciated and critical feedback is the best kind IMHO. Thanks for taking the time to respond so thoroughly.
I'll get to work on cleaning things up. There are some clarifications that need to be made that will answer some of your questions, but I want to wait until I'm at home with my OA book so I can reference pages. I'll do some of the format stuff from here though."If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..."
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2004-07-21, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Originally Posted by MelifaxisJohn Ling
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2004-07-21, 11:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Ok, I cleaned up a lot of the stuff that I took for granted when I wrote the PrC, and yes it was the glory days of 3.0 ;)
I'll have to read up on 3.5 damage reduction. I'm in my first 3.5 campaign but I didn't want to read up on it to prevent myself from meta-gaming. Made me feel like a rookie again, at least a little.
These changes should clarify some of your questions and shift your opinion on the power of the PrC at least a bit. I'll keep working on it up until the deadline."If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..."
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2004-07-21, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Originally Posted by Zherog
Players should be free to pursue whatever paths they wish, but rewards often require risk and effort. A character of sufficient level should have only moderate trouble in locating a ki-rin. After all, they probably have powerful companions that are spellcasters or the financial resources to hire one.
Things like this add a great deal to a campaign when executed properly.
My 2 copper :D
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2004-07-21, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Maybe you could try Damage Reduction: 10/ - (meaning no matter what 10 damage reduct)
And it stacks with other damage reductions like the barbarians.
The 10th level ability is the best ability/can be. Maybe 10/- is too powrful but it is just a suggestion.
The Barbarian gets at Lv 20 Dr 5/- so maybe its reasonable.
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2004-07-21, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
I think, given the overall reduced numbers in 3.5's DR system, 5/- is a better fit if you were to go with a non-type. Do the Ki-Rin have any DR listed in a 3.5 source? If so, that might be the best match.
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2004-07-21, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Ah, and one other final comment. You'll want to specify that monks can freely multi-class with this class. Otherwise, by the core rules at least (it might be different in OA), a Monk cannont take a level in this class and then take another monk level ever again.
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2004-07-28, 12:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: [Screen Name] Melifaxis' Brotherhood of the Ki
Originally Posted by Zherog
I don't think it has been 3.5'ed yet. I went with 3/-
5/- seemed too much in conjunction with all the other abilities"If once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny..."