Thread Nomic

[Bucky]

This thread is a self contained game. I would recommend that any players read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic before posting.

The initial rules of the game are as follows. Note that the newest version of the Rules will be in the last post, and players need to follow the most recent valid version of the rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

[Sitzkrieg]

I propose that new proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Also, I vote in favor of this proposal.

Current Rules:

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

[Bored]

Technically, we are adding new rules, not proposing them. If not, I vote in favor of all proposals for now.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[Murska]

Considering there's no rules against it...

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, vetoed, voided, changed, edited, removed, have it's words redefined or be briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules. Only Murska can edit or remove rules by any means.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[PirateMonk]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Does this really count as structured?

[Murska]

Darn you. I'm not really sure, either.

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

[whitehelm]

There isn't even anything saying we must follow the rules at all, so everyone wins! Unless, they don't want to win, in which case I guess they don't.

[Murska]

There isn't even anything saying we must follow the rules at all, so everyone wins! Unless, they don't want to win, in which case I guess they don't.

Read rule 0.

[evnafets]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.


Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

[Bucky]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

[PirateMonk]

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

In general, those rules are not considered to apply to Structured Games, and furthermore, they state that the rules of each game must be listed in the first post.

[whitehelm]

My half-joking point was that the initial rules by the OP have to have the requirement to follow later rules, otherwise there's no obligation to follow anything after the first post (required by forum rules), including anything added later that tries to force me to follow the rules. Hmm...

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Pirate: They'll apply to this thread if there's a rule saying they do.

[Murska]

Thus, as Rule 7 contradicts itself, I declare Bucky's last post null and void.

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

EDIT: I also declare Whitehelm's post null and void due to ninjaing me.

[whitehelm]

Murska: Congratulations, you just violated Rule #1, as my rule was existing prior to you making your post. I think that makes your new rule invalid or something.

Bucky: As you can see, a good set of initial rules are extremely beneficial to starting a Nomic game. You may want to just create some and restart the entire game.

[Murska]

I decide that people are allowed to ignore the part of rule 1 which states 'Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule' because they're doing it anyway.

Also, Rule 1 does state 'all existing rules' but not 'all existing rules prior to this post' so I, with my authority as the Overlord, interpret it to mean as 'all existing rules after said post'.

[evnafets]

((The way the game is turning out, I think it would actually fit more under SMBG rather than structured))

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall introduce a new Rule and contain a list of all existing Rules.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Example: evnafets stabs whitehelm for not posting his new rule in green as required by rule 2.
Edit: ARGH! He edited it to be green after this post! The example and rule should still stand though

[whitehelm]

Murska: I make the case that your last rules post is completely invalid, including the new overlord rule, because it doesn't conform to the rules. Bucky Veto'd your Rule 0, which Rule 0 didn't include in its protection of itself. My last rules post is the current valid ruleset. I'll let Bucky figure out what to do now so his thread doesn't get ruined.

evnafets: No Rule preventing fixing of mistakes....

[Murska]

I take the case into consideration as the Overlord and decide that the play be continued according to the ruleset in Evnafet's last post, except for the addition of Rule 0 as it stands in the latest post of mine in which it was mentioned, not including this one.

Thus, for clarity, the current ruleset:

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

I stab Whitehelm for not following rule 1.

[MasterofMockery]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

[Bored]

Rule 0 was vetoed.

EDIT: I'd argue Rule 9 is still technically in play, but what an "Overlord" is is up for grabs...

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

[Murska]

Rule 0: Everyone must follow the rules. All new rules are to be named 'Rule X+1' where X is the number of the previous rule. Murska is the Overlord, and the winner of this Nomic. This rule cannot be repealed, amended, transmuted, retitled, pushed, shoved, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, Voided, edited, removed, changed, have it's words redefined or be numbered (or renumbered) by any means other than those required by this rule. This rule takes precedence over all other rules.


Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7: There is no Rule 7, since it previously contradicted itself.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed. There can only be one Overlord. This Overlord is Murska.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void. The Overlord is exempt from this rule.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.

Since the post which supposedly Vetoed Rule 0 tried to implement a rule which contradicted itself and thus was null and void, the whole post and therefore also the Vetoing is considered to be null and void. This was the Overlord's official decision on the matter.

[Bucky]

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.


Rule 14: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to modify the rules. Also, Bucky is the Overlord if no previous rule defines 'Overlord'

Since the post which supposedly Vetoed Rule 0 tried to implement a rule which contradicted itself and thus was null and void, the whole post and therefore also the Vetoing is considered to be null and void. This was the Overlord's official decision on the matter.

Since Rule 0 (which had previously been vetoed) did not exist at the time Rule 9 came into effect, you never had the authority under Rule 9 to nullify the vetoing of Rule 0.

EDIT:Rule 13 was also not in effect at that time because it forbids itself from having taken effect then.

[Murska]

(META) Rule 9 came into existance at the same time as Rule 0, and thus I've always had the authority to decide over everything. Also, Rule 13 permits itself to use time shenanigans, for I, with my Overlord authority, interpret 'no other rules' to mean 'no other rules except for rules 0, 9 and 13'.

Rule 0 has NEVER BEEN VETOED since everything in the post that vetoed it is considered null and void. Thus, I've, again, always had the authority. The timelines are going a bit messy with your removal of rule 13 now, however.

But eh, since you removed 13... I'll go edit some of my previous rules slightly, then.

EDIT: There. Rule 0 never could have been Vetoed.

[Hyozo]

Rule 1: Each post in this thread shall contain a list of all existing Rules as they exist after said post.

Rule 2: New proposals shall be written in green, a rule to be known as Rule 2.

Rule 3: When a person posts to make a rule, they can Veto one rule made after their last post. Said rule is null and void. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 4: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as losing it automatically and not being allowed to make new rules. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 5: Being the winner of this Nomic is defined as being a generally awesome guy and not losing it, in contradiction to the rule above. If rules contradict each other, the rule which specifically states it takes predecence over a set of rules into which the other one belongs is the one used. If neither of the rules does this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. If both of the rules do this, the rule with the lower number takes predecence. This rule takes predecence over all rules except Rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed.

Rule 6: New rules which have a '7' in the rule number must be written in Blue text. This rule takes precedence over Rule 2.

Rule 7:Players are required to obey the rules for this subforum in addition to the Rules defined in this Thread.

Rule 8: Any rules in the OP are known as Initial Rules, which cannot be altered or removed by any method, including Veto. Any player wishing to add a rule to the Initial Rule category must append "(Initial Rule Suggestion)" after the rule. Bucky then may edit it into the OP, which grants it Initial Rule status. Bucky may do this even if someone has vetoed it in the interim. Until Bucky does this, it is just a normal rule. (Initial Rule Suggestion)

Rule 9: The Overlord has the final say on all decisions regarding contradictions of the rules and unplayable situations and can also edit any of the rules whenever he posts. Nobody else can edit or remove rules except as specified by other rules. This rule takes predecence over all rules except rule 0. This rule cannot be Vetoed, edited or removed.

Rule 10: You may "stab" someone for not following the rules, and outline the rule that has been broken. The stab must be done as part of a "new rule" post . Each poster may only be stabbed once for each infraction, and you may only stab people for infractions in the previous 5 posts.

Rule 11: Should someone "Ninja" your posting of a new rule you must make an edit denouncing their cursed sneaky agenda, and reaffirming the fact that the pirates will win the war in the end.

Rule 12: Each person has a number of "Hit Points" equal to the number of posts they have made in accordance with all rules. Whenever a person is stabbed, they lose one Hit Point. If a person loses all Hit Points, then any poster may make an "Evict" decision. If three people make an Evict decision, then the poster can still post but all rules they make are null and void.

Rule 13: Rule 9 took effect before it was implemented, back when Rule 0 was added. Thus, Murska has, after that post, had the right to decide how the rules are interpreted. No other rules may take effect before they have been implemented. This rule takes predecence over all rules which would allow such time shenanigans. This rule cannot be Voided.


Rule 14: Posts beginning with the text "(META)" are considered to be commentary on the game rather than actual posts for the purposes of all rules besides this one. As a result they are neither required nor permitted to modify the rules. Also, Bucky is the Overlord if no previous rule defines 'Overlord'


Rule 15: Rules made by Murska may be ignored by any player who desires to do so. This rule may not be vetoed by Murska. This rule takes precedence over any rule made by Murska.

[Murska]

Using Rule 9 and my Overlording skillz I change rule 15 to:

Rule 15: Rules made by Hyozo may be ignored by any player who desires to do so. This rule may not be vetoed by Hyozo. This rule takes precedence over any rule made by Hyozo.

[Hyozo]

(META) And, due to the actual rule 15, people are free to ignore that as we please.

[Murska]

(META) Rule 15 contradicts Rule 9 and Rule 0, and since Rules 9 and 0 are lower-numbered then they take predecence.

[Hyozo]

(META) Except for the fact that they don't, as it specifically says it takes precedence over them.

Please, Murska, just stop trying to ruin the game for everybody else.

[Murska]

(META) The game was ruined by the lack of starting ruleset. It's still got quite a bit of holes after MY rules fixed the most glaring ones.

And as MY rule states to resolve contradictions which would other make the game unplayable, if two rules contradict each other and they both take predecence over the other, the one with lower numbering is counted.

Honestly, I've only taken out the possibility to abuse the most glaring lacks of rulings and installed a way to bring the game out of deadlocks and unplayable situations. It's in no way ruined or unplayable and I don't intend to use my authority (I'll even edit it out once the rules get fleshed out) unless necessary, for reasons such as people TRYING TO REPEAL THE RULE WHICH SAYS PEOPLE MUST FOLLOW RULES.

I'm seemingly the only one who's trying to make the game work instead of just trying to stop me from doing that.

[Bucky]

(META)

@Murska: I am trying to make the game work. Emperical evidence suggests that you are more concerned about entrenching your own position than improving playability. For example, you attempted to repeal Rule 7 (The rule whose main purpose is requiring that players follow the rules) because it appeared in the same post as a veto you disapproved of.

In the observed timeline, you never assumed dictatorial powers under Rule 9, because Rule 9 and the rule defining you as overlord were never in effect at the same time. Rule 13 then took effect but failed to make Rule 9 retroactive, and you lacked the judicial review powers to fix that oversight when you attempted to do so. Rule 13 was then legally vetoed.

You have been acting as if an alternate timeline were in effect. This alternate timeline's only claim to validity is that you decreed it valid at a point where you had the authority to do so under the alternate timeline but not the observed timeline. As a result, the alternate timeline is a closed causal loop.

Since the root authority for this game is the OP, and your claim to authority does not directly follow from anything in the OP, we are playing in the timeline in which you did not assume power under Rule 9.

(This is an official decision under Rule 9 from the Overlord in the observed timeline.)