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Thread: Unlimited material components
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2009-12-13, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Unlimited material components
Last session our party found a spell components pouch that will allows us to pull out any material component we need, including extremely expensive ones.
Clearly this is a very abusable item.
What are some spells that we can get a lot of mileage out of now that we're not limited by gold? I am extremely tempted to make a zombie army, but I have an exalted cohort, so that may not be the wisest of choices.
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2009-12-13, 04:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
Forcecage is a good one with an expensive component.
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2009-12-13, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
One word: Fabricate.
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2009-12-13, 04:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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-Raise Dead and True Resurection would be good money-making tools. Most people simply can't afford to bring loved ones back to life with that hefty 1000+ gold price tag, but if you can knock it down to standardized pricing (level 5 x CL 9) you'll have people lining the streets. Alternatively, you can lower the price just a tad (100-200g) to get the economic edge on other casters (if they exist) and just pocket the extra gold for the material component. Plus, you can just use this on yourselves as well
-Stoneskin has only a small price, but at least you don't have to pay it now.
-Free components to power the Black Lore of Moil feat.Last edited by Voice of Reason; 2009-12-13 at 04:11 PM.
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2009-12-13, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
Make alot of empty cocoons. Turn your party into a bunch of adamant dragons. Hire people, turn them into other powerful creatures. Ba-boom, world domination.
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2009-12-13, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 04:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 04:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
Or worst :
Wall of Iron
Do you actually HAVE to use the magic components for the spell ?
If not, then you just got yourself an unlimited supply of gold dust.
That's a ready-to-use fortune.
Of course, since you can pretty much get whatever you want and justify it for Fabricate, the point is moot, here.
If yes, you can still produce several tons of iron for a cost of 0 gp.
Selling said iron would then bring you a fortune.
Since the item you got is clearly broken, I suggest you use this scheme first to get TONS of gold, gems and the likes before the DM just make sure the item get "lost".
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2009-12-13, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
So.. Can you pull out anti-matter?
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2009-12-13, 04:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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You guys are thinking to small. The correct answer is two words:
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2009-12-13, 05:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
Nah, you just get a finger nail or something like that. You can do that trick with eschew materials anyway, since a bit of god spit is considered free.
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2009-12-13, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good call, Fist. I can cast Apocalypse from the Sky, now. I just need a dozen more levels.
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2009-12-13, 09:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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You can finally assemble the components for the spell Karsus' Avatar, which included (but were not limited to) the pituitary gland of the Tarrasque and the gizzard of a great wyrm gold dragon. Just make sure you don't pick the deity keeping all the world's magic in order.
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2009-12-13, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-13, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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BoED allows(as an optional rule, if I remember correctly) for ascetic spellcasters to sacrifice 1xp for 5gp worth of magic components.
If you could convince your DM to allow for it to work the other way around(5gp for 1xp) then you could break the game into tiny ickle pieces.
But anyway, without house ruling the game there's an optional rule that could see a lot of use with unlimited material components - this. Hello free metamagic to.... everything?Last edited by grautry; 2009-12-13 at 11:57 PM.
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2009-12-14, 12:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Stoneskins are pretty handy if you've got the unlimited diamond dust...
Question: can you actually pawn off the material components you pull out? Talk about infinite money...SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
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2009-12-14, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Okay, so I'm going to quick draw and dual wield these one-pound caltrops as improvised weapons..."
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"Oh, hey, look! Blue Eyes Black Lotus!" "Wait what, do you sacrifice a mana to the... Does it like, summon a... What would that card even do!?" "Oh, it's got a four-energy attack. Completely unviable in actual play, so don't worry about it."
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2009-12-14, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2009-12-14, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Haberdashery! If we save the people, there will be nobody to turn into zombies!
"Okay, so I'm going to quick draw and dual wield these one-pound caltrops as improvised weapons..."
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"Oh, hey, look! Blue Eyes Black Lotus!" "Wait what, do you sacrifice a mana to the... Does it like, summon a... What would that card even do!?" "Oh, it's got a four-energy attack. Completely unviable in actual play, so don't worry about it."
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2009-12-14, 12:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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BoED and BoVD(and probably a couple other books) have expensive material components like Liquid Pain and Virgin Hearts that can be used to make spells more powerful. Use those with every spell.
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2009-12-14, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
There's always Ignore Material Components.
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2009-12-14, 03:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Unlimited material components
Yeah.
I think simply not having to keep track of expensive components is going to be handy. Just being able to magically tattoo myself everyday is going to be awesome.
Question: can you actually pawn off the material components you pull out? Talk about infinite money...
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2009-12-14, 03:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sir, burn that **** right now. There is some hidden curse or horrific drawback that will lead you to a fate worse than death. Like for every spell you cast, you get sent down one level of the abyss. Or for every 500 gp worth of material components you pull from here, you die twice.
It is so bad that the GM is almost certainly going to start lighting your real-life possessions on fire as a balancing factor. Who's tier 5 now, smart guy?
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2009-12-14, 03:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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To see the world in a grain of sand
and Heaven in a wild flower
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand
and eternity in an hour.
- William Blake, Auguries of Innocence
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2009-12-14, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not quite. The the pituitary gland of the Tarrasque and the gizzard of a great wyrm gold dragon were required in order to create just one of the material components of the spell. Given that other, less powerful Netherese spells had material components like "one mythal, destroyed during casting" (summon volcano IIRC), you begin to get an idea of the scope and scale of component bling Karsus' Avatar would require...
Valuable material components - gems, demon hearts, etc. - are part of the wish economy (ie: they retain value because powerful people will always want them as a directly exploitable source of power). Your DM should tread carefully.
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2009-12-14, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by bosssmileyIf a tree falls in a forest, the Druid will make sure you hear about it.