Base Class Challenge Chat Thread

[Morph Bark]

The how-manieth Base Class Challenge is this, anyway?

[Lord_Gareth]

Third. Also, lazy OP is lazy. Plus, y'know, two jobs. Newborn. Find the earlier ones yourself :P

[Dead_Jester]

IcarusWings, you do know that the save against an Embodiment taking over is simply ridiculous?

I mean, at level 20, this guy must make a dc 50 minimum will save. You need a minimum of +18 to will just to be able to pass it, and a ridiculous +28 to be able to pass it with 50/50 odds. And why would controlling ones personality become harder the more experienced one gets?

Plus, letting the Dm take your character isn't really fun, especially if it is for a few hours.

I would suggest making the save dc either 15 + 1 for each 1 point over maximum influence, or 10 + 2 for each (if you're really mean, 15 + 2 per point).

Also, depending on the levels of the exertions, you might want to reduce the influence toll (2 per level is conservative if the max level is 6 or under, after that you might want to put 1 per level, and if it works like pp, 1 per 2 levels)

[IcarusWings]

IcarusWings, you do know that the save against an Embodiment taking over is simply ridiculous?

I mean, at level 20, this guy must make a dc 50 minimum will save. You need a minimum of +18 to will just to be able to pass it, and a ridiculous +28 to be able to pass it with 50/50 odds. And why would controlling ones personality become harder the more experienced one gets?

Plus, letting the Dm take your character isn't really fun, especially if it is for a few hours.
I would suggest making the save dc either 15 + 1 for each 1 point over maximum influence, or 10 + 2 for each (if you're really mean, 15 + 2 per point).

I know it's hard, I wanted it to be hard. The idea is for the character to really not want to go over the influence limit. If you think I should though, I will lower it and maybe change the duration of the possession to minutes or even rounds. And the reason that the DC scales with level is that if it's too easy to make the save at higher levels then characters might just start going boom at everything all the time, knowing that they can easily make the save.

Also, depending on the levels of the exertions, you might want to reduce the influence toll (2 per level is conservative if the max level is 6 or under, after that you might want to put 1 per level, and if it works like pp, 1 per 2 levels)

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but if you mean the maximum augment levels then it's gonna be your HD.

[Jokasti]

Hmmm, I'll post my Philosopher base class once I get some feedback from my group.

[Morph Bark]

Hmmm, I'll post my Philosopher base class once I get some feedback from my group.

Bawww, and I thought I was going to be the last entrant for a while there, too!

Seriously though, "Philosopher"? Highly interested I am at that name. Doubly so since I am one.

[Jokasti]

It was originally called the Savant, but my group (being the mature, upright citizens they are) would never stop with the idiot-savant comments. So, philosopher.
Basic idea is arcane caster from the domain list with some cool features as well that should give them flexibility with their role in the group dynamic.

[Morph Bark]

Flexible role FTW.

Once this challenge is over, perhaps I'll need to test if my own philosopher powers work like your Philosopher's. (Or just playtest it for kicks. )

[Jokasti]

"Can man live on bread alone?"
Player: I buy 500 loaves of bread!
DM: That.... doesn't answer the question. Plus, your an elf.

[Lord_Gareth]

So folks are happier with this theme overall than the last two?

[Dead_Jester]

I'm not quite sure what you mean by that, but if you mean the maximum augment levels then it's gonna be your HD.

I was wondering if the cost was based on the "spell level" or from the caster level. If it is caster level, than 2x that means that, at level 20, this class can only use 6 spells at max level, which is pretty low. If it was 1 per caster level, than you could get 14, which is decent.

The proportion is almost the same if you take spell levels from 1 to 9 and use the 2 per level.

[IcarusWings]

I was wondering if the cost was based on the "spell level" or from the caster level. If it is caster level, than 2x that means that, at level 20, this class can only use 6 spells at max level, which is pretty low. If it was 1 per caster level, than you could get 14, which is decent.

I suppose I'll change it to the influence increases by the augment level, and the other embodiment's influence decreases by half (rounding up or down? not sure) of the augment level. Thanks for the input.

In other news I've nearly finished the first three virtues (compassion, valour, and persistence) and the first three vices (cowardice, trickery, and pride) and all of their associated forms.

[Zom B]

All right, I believe I'm done putting some of the editing touches on the ur-mage, except that I'd like to expand out the fluff a bit. Any thoughts on it?

[Morph Bark]

All right, I believe I'm done putting some of the editing touches on the ur-mage, except that I'd like to expand out the fluff a bit. Any thoughts on it?

Well, I'd say there are some issues with letting them use such a wide variety of spells. Not just the broken ones of course, but buff spells with "range: touch" especially. Get two Ur-Mages together and they would need only a single Heal spell that they could keep casting on each other to never need to worry about death by hp damage anymore. If one would have one or more save-boosting spells so that the target would prettymuch only fail on a 1 they could keep going with that infinitely as well. And of course keep buff-looping with stuff like Eagle's Splendour and Haste. I have had prettymuch the same problem with a life-energy-based caster that I posted on the Gleemax forums two years ago and seen something similar with some attempts at blue mage types.

So folks are happier with this theme overall than the last two?

While I wasn't really around for the second one, I saw the first be put up, but I couldn't really do anything with the theme. I'm more at home with this one, most definitely. Looking forward to what the next one may turn out to be.

[boomwolf]

Edited the Chosen a bit, Voice of the Deity got an overhaul, so did the domain powers.

Still need to fill out the rest of the domain powers, and find a picture, and the class is done. (domains remaining: fire, plant, protection, strength, law, sun, trickery, war and water. that means 13/22 are done.)

[sidhe3141]

Technician is up.

[IcarusWings]

Unfortunately I'm gonna' have to pull out again , Real Life came up and I haven't had time to finish any of the traits or their forms or exertions. I'll probably keep working on the class though, so you will see it on the boards soon enough.

[boomwolf]

At the last minitue possible, a complete Chosen is up.

Damn, I wonna play one now. some combinations here can be really nasty. (and really cool. especially with a fire god. when you can take metabreath feats!)

[Morph Bark]

Since I just saw Kellus' entry as a last post... I don't think that's allowed...

Could just be an erroneous post though, but just sayin'.

[Lord_Gareth]

Yeah, totally not allowed if it's already been posted.

[Kellus]

For what it's worth, I posted the class in both places at the same time–*the contest to have it entered, but also on the main board so that I could get feedback and so more people would see it. It's not like it's something I made previously and posted anew. I made it specifically for the contest.

If that disqualifies me, okay.

[Lord_Gareth]

For what it's worth, I posted the class in both places at the same time–*the contest to have it entered, but also on the main board so that I could get feedback and so more people would see it. It's not like it's something I made previously and posted anew. I made it specifically for the contest.

If that disqualifies me, okay.

Sadly, it does; there's nothing stopping you from posting it on its own after the contest, but I discourage posting it separately while the contest is still going.

[Morph Bark]

Considering there's no way I'll be able to finish what exactly I had in mind before tomorrow - unless it doesn't end like first thing tomorrow but at the end of it - I will either have to make some changes to the Bloodwriting or pull out. And I certainly don't want to do the latter!

[Vaynor]

Gah! This always happens to me. I think I'll have enough time, so I put it off until later, then I end up forgetting and attempting to finish at the last minute. Hopefully I'll be able to finish by Sunday Saturday , we'll see.

[Morph Bark]

Is there an exact time this challenge closes? If it's something in the afternoon, Pacific time, I'll be able to prettymuch finish it just yet.

EDIT: Okay, after a flash session of DnD that consumed a quarter of my day, I managed to finish enough bloodwritten runes as to make the hemoscribe playable at least. It can be considered finished as such, though once this challenge ends I will continue to work on it so that I can post the grand thing I strive for. For now though, I really really really need some sleep...

[Zom B]

When does voting start?

[IcarusWings]

In the absence of Lord_Gareth's instructions, I'll just set up a voting thread like last time, gimme a minute

[WhiteShark]

Is there an exact time this challenge closes? If it's something in the afternoon, Pacific time, I'll be able to prettymuch finish it just yet.

EDIT: Okay, after a flash session of DnD that consumed a quarter of my day, I managed to finish enough bloodwritten runes as to make the hemoscribe playable at least. It can be considered finished as such, though once this challenge ends I will continue to work on it so that I can post the grand thing I strive for. For now though, I really really really need some sleep...

I'm glad you're going to finish this. I really, really like it. In fact, if my character dies in my current campaign I will totally make a Hemoscribe. I assume the obvious joke in the name is intentional?

[Lord_Gareth]

In the absence of Lord_Gareth's instructions, I'll just set up a voting thread like last time, gimme a minute

Consider yourself official vot-y thread guy.

[IcarusWings]

Consider yourself official vot-y thread guy.

I am honoured my liege