LGBTitp - Part Six

[Danne]

*pokes bluewind's post* Said far better than I ever could, but very, very true.

[Derjuin]

Omigosh, I wanted to add...

*yells out "Hug pile for Jackie!" and gives her a biiiiiig hug*

[Danne]

I approve of hug piles. Especially for awesome people like Jacklu.

[golentan]

Omigosh, I wanted to add...

*yells out "Hug pile for Jackie!" and gives her a biiiiiig hug*

Agreed. Everyone hug Jacklu!!!

[Jacklu]

You people are far to kind to me. But thanks all the same. I'm just... burned out from life right now. My question was directed towards where I fit in the sexual and gender spectrum, because I get so absolutely confused about myself sometimes. I know what I am attracted to and what I feel I am on the inside, but... sometimes I just... get overwhelmed by it all. Self confidence issues and whatnot. How I fit into it all. Whether I am what I think I am or if I am somehow damaged goods. If I am what I think I am or if I am just pretending. Pretending so well that I don't even know myself that I am. Trying to be... special or something. -_-

Sorry for the meh. Though it is very nice to see so many people say nice things about me. *totally didn't cry** So... Thanks. I only hope that I am as helpful to you all as you are to me.



*Yeah, I cried.

[Danne]

You people are far to kind to me. But thanks all the same.

Nonsense. We were stating facts, rather akin to "the sky is blue," "chocolate is yummy," and "fuzzy kittens are cuddly." I don't know you very well, but I've been lurking for a while both here and in the depression thread, and I can state quite definitively that "Jacklu is a good person who has helped a lot of people with their problems, and is totally awesome and deserving of hug piles."

I'm just... burned out from life right now. My question was directed towards where I fit in the sexual and gender spectrum, because I get so absolutely confused about myself sometimes. I know what I am attracted to and what I feel I am on the inside, but... sometimes I just... get overwhelmed by it all. ...

This I totally get. I generally talk myself in circles trying to figure out my own gender related issues, and typically am comfortable just shrugging and peacefully co-existing with my confusion. But its tenuous, and something eventually happens that jolts me out of that place. (Like today I got an e-mail from the head of my club asking us to fill out a short survey. Said survey included asking us our gender, and had check boxes for "male" and "female." Not for "It's complicated" or even "Other," which is what I usually check. Experienced about five minutes of being really overwhelmed and near panic, and then left it blank. Stupid survey.)

All I can say is that there's a pretty nifty support system right here, and whenever you're in need of someone to talk to, bake you digital cookies, or initiate hug piles, we're all here. *offers cookies*

Sorry for the meh. Though it is very nice to see so many people say nice things about me. *totally didn't cry** So... Thanks. I only hope that I am as helpful to you all as you are to me.



*Yeah, I cried.

No apologies necessary. *offers tissues to go with cookies and hug piles*

[Elentari]

So y'all, I need a bit of help. My teacher has assigned a paper, and my topic is the Gay Rights Movement in the 20th century. Would anyone happen to have any helpful info, or perhaps point me to some websites or resources? Thanks much!

Edit: Yes Danne, in the US!

[Danne]

You mean in the U.S., yes? I know a lot more about the movement in the past ten years or so, but I can think of a few things you should look into just off the top of my head -- Matt Shepard, Harvey Milk, "Don't Ask, Don't Tell," DOMA, and the Stonewall Riots, to name a few. Also forced hormone treatments for gay men (I don't know the extent to which this was done to lesbians) and those awful "camp" things (that are still around today) where they try to brainwash kids into thinking they're straight.

I googled it for you and this website has basic timeline with other events you could investigate. There's also apparently a book on the subject that you might be able to find at a library.

[Jacklu]

Good luck with the report, Elentari! However, I think that the subject matter might cross a little too close to real world politics for the giant boards. =/

[Serpentine]

I found it interesting (from a civil rights movement documentary I saw years ago and so this may not be totally accurate) that around the 60s, lesbians were sort of wavering between the gay rights and women's rights movements. They discovered that the gay men were really just interested in the rights of gay men, and (I think) were as misogynist as any other group of men at the time (not universal, or perhaps even majority, but... well, you know), and so threw in their lot with feminism, instead.
But that might be beyond the scope of that assignment...

[Kaelaroth]

I found it interesting (from a civil rights movement documentary I saw years ago and so this may not be totally accurate) that around the 60s, lesbians were sort of wavering between the gay rights and women's rights movements. They discovered that the gay men were really just interested in the rights of gay men, and (I think) were as misogynist as any other group of men at the time (not universal, or perhaps even majority, but... well, you know), and so threw in their lot with feminism, instead.
But that might be beyond the scope of that assignment...

I think of a lot of the confusion also came from second-wave feminism's embrace of lesbianism as a sexual emancipation of some kind - not "true" lesbians, but wanting to be free of men while still controlling their own "sexuality", many threw themselves into lesbianism - leading to a common thought that feminists are all lesbians or vice versa...
Or I'm wrong. *shrug*

[Danne]

Good luck with the report, Elentari! However, I think that the subject matter might cross a little too close to real world politics for the giant boards. =/

Well, she said the topic was the 20th century movement, so that's probably more board-safe than events in the past few years. Still probably best to just point her at sources and let her have fun researching, though.

And yes, good luck on your paper, Elentari. *forgot to mention that part before*

[Deth Muncher]

Hai guise. So, I need some help from you guys ('n gals) for a friend of mine. Seems he's come to the realization that he wants to be a girl. He's...er, I wanna say 16, at the moment, and about 290lbs. He's gone through all the literature on the subject, and he's talked with his parents about it - they're both really supportive, which makes me happy for him - and he's got me and a few other friends...but he doesn't really know anyone who's going through/has gone through the whole man -> woman process. Is there anyone on here who wouldn't mind randomly talking to someone about this? And I could like give him your email? Cuz that'd be superspecialawesome. :D

[Lix Lorn]

Here.

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[email protected].

Go nuts.

[Deth Muncher]

Here.

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[email protected].

Go nuts.

Did you use the new spoiler button to do that? -prodprod- :P

Anyhoo. Thanks! He'll probably email you soon.

[Lix Lorn]

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SHINEEEEEEEEE

[Jacklu]

Feel free to direct her here herself. We are always happy to help people and it might be nice for her to have an online circle of strangers to talk with on the subject.

[Lix Lorn]

Yeah!
(Hugs all)

[Danne]

Hai guise. So, I need some help from you guys ('n gals) for a friend of mine. Seems he's come to the realization that he wants to be a girl. He's...er, I wanna say 16, at the moment, and about 290lbs. He's gone through all the literature on the subject, and he's talked with his parents about it - they're both really supportive, which makes me happy for him - and he's got me and a few other friends...but he doesn't really know anyone who's going through/has gone through the whole man -> woman process. Is there anyone on here who wouldn't mind randomly talking to someone about this? And I could like give him your email? Cuz that'd be superspecialawesome. :D

This makes me happy for her. Give her my congrats.

[Deth Muncher]

Is it bad I'm still referring to her as him? I mean, physically, she's a him. Until recently, she's been a him to everyone. It's how we know her/m.

Also, I'd direct her/m here, but s/he doesn't generally do a lot of forum-going.

[golentan]

Is it bad I'm still referring to her as him? I mean, physically, she's a him. Until recently, she's been a him to everyone. It's how we know her/m.

Also, I'd direct her/m here, but s/he doesn't generally do a lot of forum-going.

Is it just me, or is her/m a very unfortunate term to employ under the circumstances.

Good for your buddy, though. If she does drop in, though, we'd be happy to chat.

[Serpentine]

Heh heh... Herms

I dunno, could be worth getting into the habit now. Even if they end up changing their mind or whatever, you can just go back.

[Deth Muncher]

Is it just me, or is her/m a very unfortunate term to employ under the circumstances.

Good for your buddy, though. If she does drop in, though, we'd be happy to chat.

I used "her/m" mostly out of having no idea what pronoun to use. O_o

[Serpentine]

Assuming Golly and I are talking about the same thing, this is a Herm, for anyone who is unfamiliar with the term:

[Deth Muncher]

Assuming Golly and I are talking about the same thing, this is a Herm, for anyone who is unfamiliar with the term:

O_o

Brainbleach. I need it now.

[Serpentine]

Oh, don't be such a wuss Have you seen the walls of Pompeii?!

[golentan]

Oh, don't be such a wuss Have you seen the walls of Pompeii?!

They were WAAAAAY better back before they faded.

There was this one house of ill repute down near the trade streets that had an absolutely GORGEOUS illustration of their services. Ironically, it was far more attractive than anything else there.

[Kneenibble]

Assuming Golly and I are talking about the same thing, this is a Herm, for anyone who is unfamiliar with the term:

....
I dunno. It has no face.

[Serpentine]

Normally this is said by/on the behalf of women, but on its behalf... its face is up there, so to speak.
Unless you have really weird "bits".

[Kneenibble]

Oh sorry, it's a foreskin joke/Seinfeld reference.