D&D 3.5 Tyranid Monster Class v0.2.3 - PEACH

[whoiam]

Not really, no. In much the same way that the difference between having four fingers and three fingers makes no difference to the rules - the difference between one thumb and two gives you no actual bonus.

[Lord Badguy]

Well, that means I can make full use of my four starting major limbs.

Edit: This was in response to whoiam's clarification on double-weapon limbs.

Edit2: New question; Would a single limb with a winglet allow you to hold your position in the air, or just "featherfall"/glide down safely? I would think that with a poor maneuverability you could not "hold position" because with poor maneuverability you need to move to stay aloft...

[Volthawk]

For Improved Natural Attack, do the energy weapons count as the same natural form, even if they have different elements?

Could I get an answer for this? It'll make the difference between large artillery and huge artillery...

[Lix Lorn]

I think it should count as two hands, so you can use 1.5 str on a Two handed weapon.

[whoiam]

Lix: "In Combat, the limb is treated as any one-handed, two-handed or double weapon wielded in two hands." -- The text for an Excellent Natural Weapon.

Volt: I'll have to think about that one. I'll get back to you when I finish working on my Terminators.

[Lix Lorn]

Ohwell. XD

[Lord Badguy]

How would one go about stating this tail? Could use my starting minor limb and take "walk" two times to get regullar movement with it, or would the "two limbs" rule still apply?

[NecroticPunch]

You wanna be a Trygon?

[Lord Badguy]

It's more because of how much it reminds me of Hydralisks (Which IIRC, the zerg were based on the tyranid, so that makes sense).

[NecroticPunch]

Tyranid are friggin' awesome. And I'd say that yes, you can have a tail that functions as a walking tool, but looks like a tail. You'll be like a snake

[whoiam]

Alright. Single walking tail: If you want. You can pay for two limbs and for the fluff say they're both fused into a single tail.

Improved Natural Weapon: It applies based on type of damage dealt. So any one energy type can be improved, or slashing, piercing or bludgeoning can. It applies to all natural weapons of the given type.

You can take it multiple times - each time it applies to a different natural weapon type.

It does stack with the size increase limb property.

[Duskranger]

One word is all I need to say about the INA rule: Nice

[Cadian 9th]

It's more because of how much it reminds me of Hydralisks (Which IIRC, the zerg were based on the tyranid, so that makes sense).

Yes! Someone who says Zerg look like Tyranids! Not the other way round!

Yeah, lovely work. I'll be testing these in a campaign I've got in the works.

Dante

[Duskranger]

Maybe a little late for that, but maybe you could also give for a moderate LA price another good save to the Tyranid (say LA+1 or maybe LA+0,5) So that they have than two good saves instead of 1.

[Oslecamo]

Yes! Someone who says Zerg look like Tyranids! Not the other way round!

Actualy, they both look like the Starship trooper bugs, the original hivemind aliens. Zerg being inspired by the tyranids is a common misconception. They were both inspired by the same older work of fiction. 40K has actualy very little original content on it.

[NecroticPunch]

starship troopers bugs are nothing like Tyranids. The only real similarity is the hivemind; and even there, there entire forms for doing anything are different.

And Zergs look like Tyranids. Tyranids do not look like Bugs.

[Lix Lorn]

Tyranids are inspired by bugs though, they just don't look like them. XD

[NecroticPunch]

I will never accept that! Tyranids are too awesome!

[Lix Lorn]

You have clearly never heard of the bombardier beetle.

[Oslecamo]

starship troopers bugs are nothing like Tyranids. The only real similarity is the hivemind; and even there, there entire forms for doing anything are different.

Read the Starship Troopers book (the movie is quite diferent). Say they're nothing alike then.

And Zergs look like Tyranids. Tyranids do not look like Bugs.

Well not all of them. The first genestealers were literally carbon copies of the Aliens. You can still see Alien-like design in a lot of nids nowadays.

Alien-like space bugs that however Starcraft doesn't have at all.

[NecroticPunch]

But alot of Zergs look like Tyranids. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOU!!!!!

[Oslecamo]

But alot of Zergs look like Tyranids. I WILL NEVER BELIEVE YOU!!!!!

No, they both look like the starship troopers book space bugs. Resistance is futile. What's next? You're gonna say that any star wars stormtroopers rip off imperial stormtroopers for using armor and energy based weapons? That any space warrior with power armor rips off space marines? That Tolkien ripped off 40K by creating a race of war-thirsty extra strong but stupid creatures that emerge from the earth?

[NecroticPunch]

No, not really. I'm only obsessed with the Tyranids :P But still, you could claim that anything is based off of another thing, when we don't even know if they are. It might've just been a coincidence that the Tyranids are similar to other Space Bugs; same thing goes with the Zerg.

[Dead_Jester]

No, not really. I'm only obsessed with the Tyranids :P But still, you could claim that anything is based off of another thing, when we don't even know if they are. It might've just been a coincidence that the Tyranids are similar to other Space Bugs; same thing goes with the Zerg.

Actually, as far as Zergs are concerned, the inspiration really was Tyranids and the Bugs in both the Starship trooper (horrible) movie and book. I can't say for sure about the Tyranids, but the idea of the Genestealers (especially in the original Space Hulk), if not the models, was heavily inspired by the Aliens.

[2xMachina]

Potential Combo Abuses:

1)
Kensai
8 Composite Longbow + Rapidshot = 16 attacks.
Tack on Splitting (+3) from Kensai for 32 shots

2)
Size abuse.
Half Minotaur/Half Ogre (+1)
Half Goristro (+4)
Size change (+1)
Gargantuan size.

[NecroticPunch]

I'll accept that. But the Trygon are awesome, and so are Carnifex :)

[whoiam]

Well, first up, there's a line to go into the OP: Any Tyranid that's not a purestrain Tyranid pays double for all its species upgrades.

Then there's a second line which I hope any DM would get without me having to type it:

"If it's Half Minotaur and Half Goristo, then it's a Minotaur/Goristo hybrid and not a Tyranid."

I really will have to look up the Kensai one of these days*-)

[Lix Lorn]

"If it's Half Minotaur and Half Goristo, then it's a Minotaur/Goristo hybrid and not a Tyranid."

I'd assume that would count as a quarter each of them.

[2xMachina]

Kensai is great for natural weapons. Otherwise... not so much.

[Duskranger]

And sadly according to me you can only use one bow. Unless you're an arrowdemon, but he has a feat to do something like that. There's too much coordination needed for firing 2 bows simultaneously.