GitP/ChHa Server Thread IV: For Science. You Monster.

[Scuzzball]

Scuzz, dromer, Ketzerai, and I just spent an hour or so jumping off ledges in Dead Center to try and bypass the zombies and cut straight to the elevator. Much fun was had, many screenshots were taken, and many restarts were required.

My internet COMPLETELY died during that... I finally got to replace the router... And I still can't connect to the old router with nothing but one computer on it. I don't think it's even giving out IPs... But on the bright side, I now control the network. So as soon as I get around to it, we can test the AHL server again. I forwarded the ports darth mario suggested, and once I reenable those forwards, we can try. And I need to forward tf2 server ports again.

[Darth Mario]

is there any way to check what class is missing from the Head of the Class Achievement? I'm missing 1 although I'm sure I've played a round with each class. Unless I don't know what "round" means.

As far as I know, there's no way to check for sure. And just to be clear, "round" means from map beginning to map end. On multi-stage maps like Hydro, Dustbowl and Gold Rush, this means you have to play from when the game starts to when the final point is capped (or until RED holds off, in the case of the last two.)

[Byrnbot08]

Today, Dogmantra, Sciurus, Atheist and I played Four Swordsmen, (was pretty boring,) but that's not important.

Dog was carrying a gas can throughout The Passing, (dubbed Dogmantra Jnr.) and during the finale, accidentally poured the gas into the generator. We had been carrying the can since the start of said campaign, which intrigued us.

We could potentially save having to bring gas cans to generators at finale, if we bring our own. Thus we are about to embark on a small challenge/test.

How many gas cans can we successfully bring with us in either Dead Centre or The Passing and how much help would it be in ending the Finale?

[SciurusDoomus]

Today, Dogmantra, Sciurus, Atheist and I played Four Swordsmen, (was pretty boring,) but that's not important.

Dog was carrying a gas can throughout The Passing, (dubbed Dogmantra Jnr.) and during the finale, accidentally poured the gas into the generator. We had been carrying the can since the start of said campaign, which intrigued us.

We could potentially save having to bring gas cans to generators at finale, if we bring our own. Thus we are about to embark on a small challenge/test.

How many gas cans can we successfully bring with us in either Dead Centre or The Passing and how much help would it be in ending the Finale?

Well if you keep an eye out, you could take every gas can in the level and ferry them from safe room to safe room when the level is cleared. It'd take several trips, but I'm sure that by the end, there'd be no need for using the finale gas cans.

[Darth Mario]

So I've done a little reading on SourceMod's reserved slot program, and come across something that may be useful to us. As stated, it doesn't have a tiered reserve system (either you can access a reserved slot or you can't), but it does have functionality that would provide immunity from being reserve-kicked. Here's what the AlliedMods Wiki has to say about the subject.

[Roku66]

I still remember when you made Roku get a hatless scout Masato >.>

This was a very sad day :( My very first craft lol. And that was like my 2nd day of playing on the server.

Well im saving up to get a spy hat now, but its gonna take forever since i havent been playing tf2 much lately. I used to reach the item cap in 2 days, but now i dont think im gonna be reaching it anymore lol. Because the starcraft 2 phase 2 beta reopened up and i been playing that the past week.

Anyone else in the SC2 beta?

[Worira]

Today, Dogmantra, Sciurus, Atheist and I played Four Swordsmen, (was pretty boring,) but that's not important.

Dog was carrying a gas can throughout The Passing, (dubbed Dogmantra Jnr.) and during the finale, accidentally poured the gas into the generator. We had been carrying the can since the start of said campaign, which intrigued us.

We could potentially save having to bring gas cans to generators at finale, if we bring our own. Thus we are about to embark on a small challenge/test.

How many gas cans can we successfully bring with us in either Dead Centre or The Passing and how much help would it be in ending the Finale?

4, potentially.

[Flechair]

I think we'd need the tier based system because I'd hate to be kicked just for reserved slot when I only play ChHa. It would just be another reason to play on SHaFT.

[Darth Mario]

4, potentially.

Actually, you could bring many more. Stuff dropped in the safe room *usually* sticks around in the safe room, so the survivors could make as many trips as they needed to depending on how many cans they found—they wouldn't be limited to the four that they can carry.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

Anyone else in the SC2 beta?

Me, Mario, Manticoran, Faulty, and likely a few others.

I'm pretty terrible though, and tend to get annoyed at the number of hard counters the game has...

[surikesu]

Anyone else in the SC2 beta?

I've been playing the beta since the Engineer Update, I'm not sure if the engineer mayhem has ended yet so I'm just going to lay low.

[Worira]

Actually, you could bring many more. Stuff dropped in the safe room *usually* sticks around in the safe room, so the survivors could make as many trips as they needed to depending on how many cans they found—they wouldn't be limited to the four that they can carry.

Hmm... My main experience with this is that gnomes don't. Unless maybe sometimes they do.

[dromer]

Hmm... My main experience with this is that gnomes don't. Unless maybe sometimes they do.

Don't forget you can drop the gas cans in the elevator.

[Forbiddenwar]

Anyone else in the SC2 beta?

I'm in. check out the sc2 thread in this forum to see many names and codes to add as friend

[Flickerdart]

What's slot reservation and why did it boot me from the server?

[Emlyn]

Me, Mario, Manticoran, Faulty, and likely a few others.

I'm pretty terrible though, and tend to get annoyed at the number of hard counters the game has...

How could you forget me in that list? After all the times we played together...

[Fawkes]

It's reserve type 1, which means that it's a 23-person server most of the time and any time a 'privileged' person joins when the server is full, the pub with the highest ping is kicked. It can go up to 24 people, but only when all 24 are privileged.

So wait, if there's 23 people on, and a server regular joins, it kicks someone to keep the level at 23.

That's dumb. Why are we enforcing team imbalance?

[AlterForm]

Don't forget you can drop the gas cans in the elevator.

Just hope the spitter AI isn't feeling exceedingly vindictive when you get to the bottom.

[Byrnbot08]

What's slot reservation and why did it boot me from the server?

This slot reservation is part of ChHa's new drive to allow perceived 'regulars', 'Administrators' and 'Moderators' to join the server whilst it is in heavy use.

It booted you from the server, because it did not see you as being a moderator, administrator or a perceived 'regular' and because you had the highest ping or were unfortunate enough to be randomly chosen by the Server God.

[AlterForm]

This slot reservation is part of ChHa's new drive to allow perceived 'regulars', 'Administrators' and 'Moderators' to join the server whilst it is in heavy use.

It booted you from the server, because it did not see you as being a moderator, administrator or a perceived 'regular' and because you had the highest ping or were unfortunate enough to be randomly chosen by the Server God.

Djinn was feeling particularly mean. Don't take it personally.

[Flickerdart]

This slot reservation is part of ChHa's new drive to allow perceived 'regulars', 'Administrators' and 'Moderators' to join the server whilst it is in heavy use.

It booted you from the server, because it did not see you as being a moderator, administrator or a perceived 'regular' and because you had the highest ping or were unfortunate enough to be randomly chosen by the Server God.

Well it's a little hard to be a regular when you can't get into the server.

[Byrnbot08]

Well it's a little hard to be a regular when you can't get into the server.

Don't worry. I too am filled with RAGE JOY at this occurence. The whole issue is still being worked out as we speak.

*Meanwhile at [undisclosed secret location]*

Potatocubed: Damnit! The server monkeys have gotten loose again! Djinn! HELP ME!
Djinn: Don't worry about the monkeys, the hamsters that provide power to the thing have gone on strike!

[Jibar]

Djinn: Don't worry about the monkeys, the hamsters that provide power to the thing have gone on strike!

Hamsters can't go on strike.
They don't have a Union.

[KBF]

Wait, reserved slots are on the server? Am I a part of it? Can I finally play on the server and finally, finally do something about all those complaints that keep popping up?

Hells yes. I missed you, ChHa.

[potatocubed]

If you want reserved slot access, PM me on these forums with your numerical Steam ID (STEAM_0:1:234567 or similar) and I'll add you so long as you seem vaguely familiar.

For people who missed it last time.

[Roku66]

Just got kicked for the 2nd time today due to slot reservation. Both times i been playing on the server for about an hour. Is it random?

Btw, i for one am extremely against reserved slots on the server...

Edit: Even if i qualify for 1, im still against it, but ill take the slot tho if i have the option lol...

[onasuma]

Its done based on pings.

[potatocubed]

It was. I switched it to random selection.

The three choices are ping, random, or whoever's been on the longest.

[mightymonarch]

As a SHaFT admin, may I make my opinion on the server issue known?

Yes? Ok.

There are 2 main reasons drolkcal and I started SHaFT.

1. We wanted to get more into comp play and we would need our own server for this.

2. We were getting tired of never being able to get on ChHa, when the server was full of mostly pubbies.

This was back a while ago at the first mention of if we as a community should get a second server. So, we decided to put our money where our mouthes were and started up SHaFT.

Yay! Now we have a place to play some good, fun TF2 with people we know and love. We freely gave you guys the password so you can connect and play with friends. We don't mind if your friends not in the GitP/ChHa community join. All we asked was for regulars not to connect when we were holding a skrim/practice, which isn't all that often.

We weren't doing this to steal thunder from ChHa. This was not our intention at all. We didn't start this to show everyone how much better we could run a server compared to ChHa. We did this because we like playing smaller games with friends. We were tired of the spam, of the trolls, of the general attitude we were getting from pubbies on ChHa.

But, now, I feel like we're being made out to be the bad guys because everyone is starting to play on SHaFT now. The community was getting tired of the gameplay on ChHa, so they migrated to SHaFT. I don't think the reserved slots thing will change much. I feel like it's going to turn ChHa into something else entirely, for the worse. Paid for reserve slots? This, to me, reeks of elitism. It keeps ChHa from being a place to play with friends to playing with people who have the biggest pocketbook. I can understand reserved slots for admins, sure, it's their server. But kicking out a community member for one that paid? Is this really somewhere we want to go? This would take it down to whoever has the bigger pocketbook, which, I, quite frankly, do not find fair. I just want to be fair to every contributing community member.

And remember, pubbies aren't bad. It's how I found you guys. And I know I'm not the only one that joined the community this way.

[Djinn_in_Tonic]

But, now, I feel like we're being made out to be the bad guys because everyone is starting to play on SHaFT now. The community was getting tired of the gameplay on ChHa, so they migrated to SHaFT.

Wasn't blaming you, Monarch. Just trying to see how to bring ChHa back on the map as a server both we AND the pubbies can play on. I personally love ChHa, and have put a lot of work into it, so I'm rather upset to see that so few of the people I love playing with are reliably on it, after all my efforts. Nothing against you, drolkcal, or SHaFT, obviously.

I don't think the reserved slots thing will change much. I feel like it's going to turn ChHa into something else entirely, for the worse. Paid for reserve slots? This, to me, reeks of elitism. It keeps ChHa from being a place to play with friends to playing with people who have the biggest pocketbook. I can understand reserved slots for admins, sure, it's their server. But kicking out a community member for one that paid? Is this really somewhere we want to go? This would take it down to whoever has the bigger pocketbook, which, I, quite frankly, do not find fair. I just want to be fair to every contributing community member.

Agreed. We're trying solutions, honestly, and seeing what works and what doesn't. From what we've been hearing, I think the reserved slot has to go. I avoided putting it on for a reason, and I'm seeing that reason manifest in the responses it's gotten from many people so far.

And remember, pubbies aren't bad. It's how I found you guys. And I know I'm not the only one that joined the community this way.

I personally think this is true. However, it seems that to many of the rest of us aren't willing to deal with ChHa most of the time...at least nowadays.