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See 2:15 in this vid.
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Quality of the iron? Japanese iron deposits were of practically lowest value possible. All that workmanship and man hours put into the sword not even entirely compensated for poor materials and resulted in extremely impractical to repair blade.
People who sunk workmanship into actual improvement of the weapon produced blades of massively better quality - say, Japanese smith used 4-5 kinds of steel; his Viking contemporary used 8-12 producing a blade that didn't needed fat, dull back to ensure sword didn't broke on anything harder.
Hammer is more egregious.
Not that it isn't extremely dumb as drawn.
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2011-01-13, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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After rereading the chapter, I have to wonder, what was so bad about weapon spamming the zombie swordmen? It looked like they were taking significant damage. More than enough to incapacitate them so they could be sealed up.Very possible, although one could still kill poor woodland animals to repair the sword. Then again, Suigetsu did have trouble wielding the broken sword, so maybe he didn't want the extra weight?
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And the issue that made Japanese swords bad (Iron quality and scarcity) don't seem to be to prevalent in this setting.
real swords
To be perfectly honest, there are more situations I'd want a good single-edged blade (like a katana) than I'd ever want a sword like a longsword.
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The problem is that the sword would so pale in comparison to the others that it would be a joke. Kishi wanted to avert the Sorting Algorithm of Evil here, which is hard when you're trying to make a credible threat out of the first villain in the manga.
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Mizuki doesn't count.
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Actually, it's even worse - their gear seems to be mass-produced, machine made one, which negates one advantage katana had, amount of hours master swordsmith wasted on her :P
All swords are real swords, that they don't meet your overly narrow definition of a "real sword" simply means you are biased and using the term wrong.
To be perfectly honest, there are more situations I'd want a good single-edged blade (like a katana) than I'd ever want a sword like a longsword.
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Much of the reason the Japanese developed their highly involved process was because there was very little iron and that iron which did exist was full of impurities. However, the end result was free of virtually all impurities and much higher quality than most western blades.
People who sunk workmanship into actual improvement of the weapon produced blades of massively better quality - say, Japanese smith used 4-5 kinds of steel; his Viking contemporary used 8-12 producing a blade that didn't needed fat, dull back to ensure sword didn't broke on anything harder.
Again, weapon being a combination of hammer and blade is a pick, not hammer, specific kind of pick being decided by nature of the blade.
I'm going to assume that the seven most powerful swords in the Naruto world were hand crafted from the finest iron.
Why, there are swords, and there are swords. I'm not among people who count blades that break when you parry them with real sword to the second category
Exhibit one - chainmail. Simple piece of wargear that made katana virtually useless yet was beatable by longsword's superior thrusts. You need even more superior armour, plate/chain combination to defeat longsword to smaller degree than chain did to katana.
Well, if it had been said at the time "oh I don't have my sword because I lost it when I tried to perform a coup" or something then it would work, but what's his name already made a big deal out of trying to take Zabuza's sword.
As for averting the Sorting Algorithm, it kind of works because it was Kakashi and not the main characters that defeated Zabuza.Last edited by Drolyt; 2011-01-13 at 06:49 PM.
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It wouldn't surprise me if Zabuza was the weakest of the seven, and Kakashi is just letting his personal history with him have an effect on who he wants to release from Kabuto first.
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Zabuza's strength lies in his mist and his silent assassinations, which are just as effective as the more showy techniques most ninja we are familiar with use. Without those he is still Jounin level, but it takes them for him to be truly numbered among the Seven Swordsmen of the Mist. Also, the blood drinking thing might be more useful than we suspect. Kakashi managed to negate those advantages with his dogs, and so Zabuza lost. As for why Kakashi should go for Zabuza first, his mist technique helps all the Swordsmen. Taking out the buffers first is often a good strategy.
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It made sense, but in a rather roundabout way. Kakashi get's mind-controlled so that guy can guide Kakashi's body to where Zabuza is, releasing at the last moment so Kakashi can deliver what is hopefully a devastating attack while his Sharingan hopefully gives him enough warning of an incoming attack to dodge. Since Kakashi's shadow is bound, the Nara guy can just extend his shadow from Kakashi's to Zabuza's (since he knows the plan and that Zabuza will be in front of Kakashi) while Zabuza is still regenerating from the attack.
I think the hope is that the Shadow Sewing technique will stop the Edo Tensei's regeneration of Zabuza's body long enough for mind control guy to rush up to him and bind him for good/rest of the fight.
It was a sound plan, if a bit complicated.
Or at least, that's what I gathered from it.Last edited by Callos_DeTerran; 2011-01-13 at 09:38 PM.
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Okaaaay... My confusion was mostly based on: What the hell can go wrong with sticking your strongest meleer with soul of someone with far lesser combat skills and rushing the guy who is known in the silent killing in the mist - and has 6 sidekicks (and a lackey) to boot?
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I'm fairly sure it's based on Korean Kabutstuchi cleaver sword... which was practically an axe.
It's linguistic dissonance on what counts as a "sword".
As far as I recall, the raw materials Japanese used were vastly inferior to those of Europeans - it was the highly involved smithing process that allowed them to make their swords so good.
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Still, what stops him from offing the guy in Kakashi's body with mid-range tech?
No. It was still of poor quality. It was pure, yes, but it made it extremely brittle brittle due to hardness. Resulting blade was easy to chip, you could break it by punching it.
The Katana's tendency to break compared to most European swords isn't a matter of iron quality, but the fact that Japanese blades were very hard and sharp, which has the trade off that a duller blade would be less fragile.
Not necessarily. War hammers often had a spike on one end, and the Lucerne hammer is essentially a halberd with a hammer instead of an axe, and I've never heard of either referred to as a pick.
I'm going to assume that the seven most powerful swords in the Naruto world were hand crafted from the finest iron.
You really think a Katana would break parrying, say, a longsword?
I'll admit the Katana isn't the be all end all, but the Japanese smithing process is the highest quality process that has survived to the present day, and historically was compared to Damascus steel.
Now, admittedly, the process was lost, but we have some examples, as well as later copies of the process (like bulat steel) and all of these not only have superior steel as a base, but also superior craftmanship you would be hard pressed to find in any katana, save maybe for a few pieces made by most famous swordsmiths for the richest officials, who could afford paying for enough man-hours poured into it to make tens of thousands of layers in the blade. Even then, the process was flawed due to inferior materials used - note that European steel didn't need making such steel sandwiches in the slightest, while Damascean one was not only of superior quality but also of superior workmanship adding to that. Still, Viking swordsmiths did produced a few pieces only slightly inferior to Damast, despite being earlier some centuries. Comparable katanas come much later, quite a few centuries after Damast steel secret was lost.
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Damascus steel was so good, I've read, because the production process created carbon nanotubes within the final product. The material was superior to its contemporaries, indeed, even some alloys we use for blades today!
I still suggest you take a look at the link to ARMA site and drop the discussion, though."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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Besides: Katanas are just better.
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I for one, really liked most of the swords of the seven swordsmen, the only one I didn't like was the explosion thingy.
And I also really liked the ability of Zabuza's Sword, makes me feel great about my avatar
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Well now, wasn't that an exciting new chapter? Crazy stuff the swordsmen use (and I'm glad I got here after the whole discussion), guess Kishi still had some crazy ideas he needed to get out of his head.
Also, I enjoyed the side-flashes (whatever) to Suigetsu and him finally telling us why he is so obsessed with the swordsmen. (So, his brother is a Stu, too. Puts his relationship with Sasuke in another light. (Oh no, the fangirls!))
The body switch thing confused me, too. But I forgot the Yamanakas could sense chakra as well... (Also, his name is really Santa? )
Finally: prediction for next week: Kakashi (or someone) will flame Zabuza for not caring about cutting off Haku's head and he will regret it and confess his love or whatever yadda, yadda; Haku will be happy, Zabuza will be happy and they will both be released. Or something to that effect.