Naruto Manga thread (Spoilers)

[IcarusWings]

I wonder, if Kakashi uses his teleport jutsu on the corpses will they regenerate in the battlefield, or in Madara's hideyhole dimension? A corpse in Madara's home would probably destroy Kabuto's and Madara's alliance.

I think Kamui is probably one of the few ways to destroy the zombies for good. We don't actually know if Kamui and Madara's Time-Space jutsu are the same/go through the same place (if they were then Madara would probably be pretty freaked out the day he found Deidara's severed arm inside his secret clubhouse).

If they do go to the same dimension then that might eventually become a viable tactic later on if Deidara escapes. While he's charging up his mega-explosion attack, Kamui him into the dimension so that he destroys Madara's supply of Sharingan Eyes. No more Izanagi for you!

[KnightDisciple]

No, Impure World Resurrection isn't overpowered at all. Seriously, why didn't Orochimaru ever do that? Has Kabuto really surpassed him by that much? Since Kabuto keeps going on about how awesome Oro's powers are, I'm imagining that he must have surpassed Oro in skill but not in raw chakra and power.

As Callos pointed out, Orochimaru kept pretty tight control on his 2 zombies, while still able to freely move and fight.

Kabutomaru, on the other hand, is sitting there, out in the open. Oh, sure, he's got better control, but he's in trouble if someone finds him.

Also, I think the whole "zabuza was a point of reference" thing is likely correct.

One thing in favor of Kakashi and the others: The Swordsmen seem to lack their swords, except for Zabuza, who has a nearly-destroyed sword.

[benlin910]

I think there were some tender moments at the start.

i also think so.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I really liked to see the seven six... I forgot that Kisame isn't there for the class reunion (why... I mean he had already re-animated the other akatsuki members). I have wanted to see them for a LONG time; and apparently one of the was a Hunter-nin.

As for why some zombies might be better with their personalities intact; I think it is for the emotional and shock value, I mean they are Dan, Asuma and Hizashi... if Tsunade, Shikamaru or Neji ( or even maybe Hinata or Hiashi himself though I am more incline to Neji) have to fight with them I am sure they will be extremely distraught.

[Lord Raziere]

I really hope Kabuto is lying about it having no side effects. Though currently, it seems as if it doesn't.

more like it seems the Kabuto is meddling something beyond his understanding and in truth doesn't know the full capabilities and consequences of the technique- Orochimaru invented it after all and I can't see him sharing the details with his minions, Kabuto may only know how to work the technique from watching Orochimaru or something, like knowing that certain things happen when you press a certain button but the not the actual mechanics of button-to-things-happening.

For all we know, Orochimaru only used the Impure World Resurrection on the two Hokages because he knew something, some risk that Kabuto didn't and it was the reason why Orochimaru didn't make the zombie armies like Kabuto.

Madara's wisdom speaks true here. everything has a downside. its just that not all downsides are readily apparent.

[Dusk Eclipse]

more like it seems the Kabuto is meddling something beyond his understanding and in truth doesn't know the full capabilities and consequences of the technique- Orochimaru invented it after all and I can't see him sharing the details with his minions, Kabuto may only know how to work the technique from watching Orochimaru or something, like knowing that certain things happen when you press a certain button but the not the actual mechanics of button-to-things-happening.

For all we know, Orochimaru only used the Impure World Resurrection on the two Hokages because he knew something, some risk that Kabuto didn't and it was the reason why Orochimaru didn't make the zombie armies like Kabuto.

Madara's wisdom speaks true here. everything has a downside. its just that not all downsides are readily apparent.

No, actually the Nidaime Hokage created it, and Orochimaru perfected it (which I assume, he found the way to get total control over the reanimated corpses).

[Fjolnir]

I really liked to see the seven six... I forgot that Kisame isn't there for the class reunion (why... I mean he had already re-animated the other akatsuki members). I have wanted to see them for a LONG time; and apparently one of the was a Hunter-nin.

the seven swordsmen of the mist at the time of Zabuza was in the mist is probably slightly different then Kisame's, it seems to be a title passed down to skilled swordsmen in the village.
(the example being that the third mitsukage is in the group shown, while he's leading kisame at the time when he joins the akatsuki)

[AgentofOdd]

I think Kamui is probably one of the few ways to destroy the zombies for good. We don't actually know if Kamui and Madara's Time-Space jutsu are the same/go through the same place (if they were then Madara would probably be pretty freaked out the day he found Deidara's severed arm inside his secret clubhouse).

I'm not seeing how Kamui could destroy the zombies. It could banish pieces of the zombies, but they would regenerate.

Madara did find Deidara's arm rather quickly, so I think this hints that Kakashi sent the arm to the same place. Not to mention Madara seems too arrogant to worry about an intrusion into his dimension. After all Kakashi isn't a Uchiha, he can't possibly learn how to enter his hideout.

If they do go to the same dimension then that might eventually become a viable tactic later on if Deidara escapes. While he's charging up his mega-explosion attack, Kamui him into the dimension so that he destroys Madara's supply of Sharingan Eyes. No more Izanagi for you!

That's true, but I was thinking; since Kabuto seems to always be in contact with his zombies, if Kakashi banished one into Madara's eye dimension, Kabuto could have his zombie steal everything it can (especially any special eyeballs), then reverse summon it back. Not likely to happen, but it's a fun idea I think.

[Dusk Eclipse]

the seven swordsmen of the mist at the time of Zabuza was in the mist is probably slightly different then Kisame's, it seems to be a title passed down to skilled swordsmen in the village.
(the example being that the third mitsukage is in the group shown, while he's leading kisame at the time when he joins the akatsuki)

I miscounted the swordsmen, when I read the chapter I didn't say the head of the guy next to Zabuza's arm.

[Grumman]

Madara's wisdom speaks true here. everything has a downside. its just that not all downsides are readily apparent.

That's not wisdom. I believe Madara was just bluffing to try to get more information out of Kabuto, but if he really believes that Impure World Ressurection must, by definition, have some downside apart from the obvious (requiring chakra, DNA samples and a human sacrifice), not because he has some evidence that it is true but because his worldview is so narrow that he cannot comprehend a powerful jutsu not being like the Sharingan and crippling the user, he's a bloody moron.

[Fjolnir]

The thing is that the majority of the strong jutsu/abilities tax the user severely, so the "there must be a drawback" is accurate

[IcarusWings]

I'm not seeing how Kamui could destroy the zombies. It could banish pieces of the zombies, but they would regenerate.

Kamui doesn't just have to banish limbs. Kakashi only banished Deidara's arm because he missed, if he got a full hit then he could banish the entire zombie, so it wouldn't have anything to regenerate.

Madara did find Deidara's arm rather quickly, so I think this hints that Kakashi sent the arm to the same place. Not to mention Madara seems too arrogant to worry about an intrusion into his dimension. After all Kakashi isn't a Uchiha, he can't possibly learn how to enter his hideout.That's true, but I was thinking; since Kabuto seems to always be in contact with his zombies, if Kakashi banished one into Madara's eye dimension, Kabuto could have his zombie steal everything it can (especially any special eyeballs), then reverse summon it back. Not likely to happen, but it's a fun idea I think.

That's a point, I'm sure Kabuto would love to get his greasy mittens on some sharingans.

[VanBuren]

That's not wisdom. I believe Madara was just bluffing to try to get more information out of Kabuto, but if he really believes that Impure World Ressurection must, by definition, have some downside apart from the obvious (requiring chakra, DNA samples and a human sacrifice), not because he has some evidence that it is true but because his worldview is so narrow that he cannot comprehend a powerful jutsu not being like the Sharingan and crippling the user, he's a bloody moron.

But most of the gamebreakers do have that. The only ones that don't are ones that have been augmented by other factors, like the MS (Uchihax) and the FRS (Sage Mojo)

[Grumman]

But most of the gamebreakers do have that.

Most =/= all. Assuming facts not in evidence is a good way to screw yourself over.

The only ones that don't are ones that have been augmented by other factors, like the MS (Uchihax) and the FRS (Sage Mojo)

How about human sacrifice? Does that count as an augmentation? Because it doesn't to Madara, apparently.

[Lord Raziere]

No, actually the Nidaime Hokage created it, and Orochimaru perfected it (which I assume, he found the way to get total control over the reanimated corpses).

a correction, thank you, which only reinforces my point of pressing a button to make things happen without knowing the actual mechanics of button-to-things-happening. Orochimaru understood more about the technique than Kabuto ever did and you have to admit, Orochimaru was a genius when it came to Jutsu, he somehow figured out how to be immortal/semi-immortal, fight two of his fellow Sannin without arms, put a previously unknown seal on people that greatly increases their power and somehow swallowed a sword he can half-barf up and use to fight with.

Kabuto? his most notable capability was medical jutsu. sure it means he has lots of control over his chakra, but he still probably learned it second-hand from the man who figured out how to improve upon it, not knowing the true abilities of it like the Nidaime Hokage would since he created it.

[AtlanteanTroll]

the seven swordsmen of the mist at the time of Zabuza was in the mist is probably slightly different then Kisame's, it seems to be a title passed down to skilled swordsmen in the village.
(the example being that the third mitsukage is in the group shown, while he's leading kisame at the time when he joins the akatsuki)

They don't even have their swords, they won't be that hard to fight. Maybe. Well, at least 2 are missing their swords.

[Fjolnir]

one is a known former jinchurikki & kage, the only other one we know anything about ability-wise is zabuza, who was an experienced killer before he was a teenager and was a tough kill for an experienced jonin the first time they fought. If the others are somewhere in that spectrum, expect trouble...

[Frozen_Feet]

Considering the swordsmen got summoned on the battlefield, I wonder why no-one has brought up the obvious yet - namely, that they could summon their weapons. That's pretty basic as far ninja tricks go - most of the time it seems to require a scroll, though, but if someone would find a way to call a sword without them, I'd figure it'd be the most infamous swordsmen.

[Zeful]

Considering the swordsmen got summoned on the battlefield, I wonder why no-one has brought up the obvious yet - namely, that they could summon their weapons. That's pretty basic as far ninja tricks go - most of the time it seems to require a scroll, though, but if someone would find a way to call a sword without them, I'd figure it'd be the most infamous swordsmen.

And by all appearances that's what Zabuza just did, though having the toothy pop-sickle might be more of a disadvantage to Kabuto's side, so I don't think that one's showing up if they can summon their weapons.

[AtlanteanTroll]

And by all appearances that's what Zabuza just did, though having the toothy pop-sickle might be more of a disadvantage to Kabuto's side, so I don't think that one's showing up if they can summon their weapons.

Shame it's broken. But that new guy has the Transformer sword and Bee has Samehada. I don't think they can just be summoned away.

[Zeful]

It's probably going to have some stupid power of regeneration or something, just because it's Kishimoto, nothing can be as it seems, everything has a unforeshadowed pen-ultimate and ultimate forms. Everything.

[Drolyt]

Shame it's broken. But that new guy has the Transformer sword and Bee has Samehada. I don't think they can just be summoned away.

Maybe they have zombie versions of their swords and other equipment? I mean they have their clothes, and it is heavily implied that zombie Pain has the Rinnegan even though they were tore out of his eye sockets.

[Silverraptor]

Is the funeral guys amoung them? I doubt it since he vaporized himself, but he was called one of the swordsmen. But I don't see him amoung the group so, meh.

[Grumman]

Is the funeral guys amoung them? I doubt it since he vaporized himself, but he was called one of the swordsmen. But I don't see him amoung the group so, meh.

I hope not. That filler is best left forgotten.

[Trixie]

Is the funeral guys amoung them? I doubt it since he vaporized himself, but he was called one of the swordsmen. But I don't see him amoung the group so, meh.

Hm?

[AtlanteanTroll]

Maybe they have zombie versions of their swords and other equipment? I mean they have their clothes, and it is heavily implied that zombie Pain has the Rinnegan even though they were tore out of his eye sockets.

They probably died in those.

[Grumman]

Hm?

Raiga, the guy from the filler episodes with lightning swords and an annoying, crippled kid in a backpack.

[Innis Cabal]

Is the funeral guys amoung them? I doubt it since he vaporized himself, but he was called one of the swordsmen. But I don't see him amoung the group so, meh.

Silly Raptor. That wasn't part of canon.

[Silverraptor]

Silly Raptor. That wasn't part of canon.

I know it wasn't part of canon. I was just wondering even though it wasn't canon if the artist would do anything cute like that.

Anyways, it seems he didn't.

[AtlanteanTroll]

I know it wasn't part of canon. I was just wondering even though it wasn't canon if the artist would do anything cute like that.

Anyways, it seems he didn't.

*twitches*

BLASPHEMY.

Get me my Brain Bleach and a Hard Cider, STAT!