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Thread: Erfworld, The Thread.
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2012-09-21, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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He's afraid of Parson being "the future conqueror of Erfworld", as Wanda described Haffaton all those turns ago. That plus the TPK nature of "getting one up on him, once", plus possibly the rival motivation, could easily explain why he's thrown so much into this fight.
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2012-09-22, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Don't be so sure. Charlie has always been the winner, even if he lost it still benifited him in some way. He was the puppet master pulling the strings in Erfworld. But then Parson shows up and BEATS him several times. Parson is someone he can't control, can't be manipulated like everyone else. Parson is a threat to Charlies entire worldview and his place in the world. Many people commited murder and worse atrocities for this very reason throught the ages.
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2012-09-24, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Maybe the link failed to show the right comic?
Try this link: http://www.erfworld.com/2012/09/book...80%93-page-87/
Frames one and two are discussing things from Bunny and Don King's perspective. Frame three shifts to the Arkendish and says "from where that bat was looking anybody could have seen it." This is explicitly talking about anyone who had the same view. But we, the readers, know that Charlie has an undisclosed ability to intercept Thinkamancy communication (Eye-books, Maggie's thinkagrams with the front, etc.). Thus, the same frame obliquely hints at Charlie having seen the same information we are now privy to. As far as I'm aware, this is a cinematic storytelling device, though I do not know the name/trope associated with it.
Oh, and as far as we know, the Archons at the battle are all under Wanda's control and were not using thinkagrams at the time of their hunt and extermination. We also have no knowledge about Charlie's ability to see through their eyes post-decryption.
Your reference to the battle of Unaroyal is, at least to me, a very different criterion to judge this situation on. One: Both the battle and subsequent intelligence revelations are done in text. Two: Insufficient detail about those scenes is given to maintain some mystery of Charlie's capabilities. For all we know he has foolamancy-capable archons following all major forces of interest and spying on them.
Does my thinking on this make sense? I'm not dismissing your argument, though I have to admit the second paragraph makes less impact on me than I would like.
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2012-09-24, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Summer Update #41
Charlie pressed on, though. "And you didn't lose what you think you did. Not completely." The image in Jillian's mind turned into a strange picture. It was a set of drawn velvet curtains, in deep blue. "I need to show you something. If you find this as disturbing as I do, please consider accepting my counsel and assistance, both in secret."
She shook her head in bewilderment. Her mount shifted beneath her, nervously. "All right."
The curtains pulled back. Behind them was a still image, in full color and excellent clarity.
"The Chief Croakamancer and Chief Warlord of Gobwin Knob, six turns ago, as they seized the city of Orgchart."For all we know he has foolamancy-capable archons following all major forces of interest and spying on them.
Oh, and as far as we know, the Archons at the battle are all under Wanda's control and were not using thinkagrams at the time of their hunt and extermination.
But we, the readers, know that Charlie has an undisclosed ability to intercept Thinkamancy communication (Eye-books, Maggie's thinkagrams with the front, etc.).
ETA: ref/link to PhoebeLast edited by ChowGuy; 2012-09-24 at 10:59 PM.
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2012-09-25, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerAn escape? Real, imagined or did Wanda allow it to happen?
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2012-09-25, 09:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Charlie can hear thinkagrams through the G-strings, it is implied that any Thinkamancer can but do not...
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2012-09-25, 11:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-25, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is anybody having trouble loading Erfworld ? Whenever I try to get it it starts to load and then I get a page telling me my search engine couldn't find 'dashboard' ?
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2012-09-26, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Charlie sets up situations where no matter who loses or wins he wins even if it isn't the best thing for his plans. He plays both sides, and he does it well. Parson won't play ball, and Charlies simply deals with those that don't allow him to profit and compromise and manipulate.
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2012-09-26, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerEngaging a Croakamancer (any caster, really) of an unknown level (though it's assumed high given the number of people she says she's killed) right next to the capital city of the side without armor or a proper weapon?
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2012-09-26, 04:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerIt was a touch easy for Jillian, though. Surprising how underdefended Haffaton is. I suppose it's a lot easier to be lax about defense when your ace in the hole completely shuts down any attack.
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2012-09-26, 05:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-27, 01:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Presumably Wanda's stone garden is right in the centre of Haffaton territory, and in a game like Erfworld where all units have a fixed amount they can move in a day, all you need is a ring of defences around the outside--you don't need much in the middle. Of course, Jillian is likely to hit that ring of defences sooner or later, which is when things might get interesting!
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2012-09-27, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is more to the lack of defenses then that. In one of the text updates there was a comment, that bigger sides have a constant money problem. I think it means, that the more cities you have, the less money each one gives. It might be akin to the corruption mechanism from old Civilization games.
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2012-09-27, 02:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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seems more than likely that the mechanics of erfworld work against haffaton, as in its too costly to maintain such a large side. The reason they use uncroaked despite not liking them is likely because they are low cost units. Haffaton is so large that all the upkeep generated by its cities are only enough to maintain their forces on the outer perimeter. They can't afford adequate defenses for most of their cities, so they make due with just under defending their cities and making use of traps that would weaken anyone that might get inside.
Most sides would eliminate those costs by just spinning off new sides that would be loyal allies to the old side, but for some reason Haffaton has been trying to keep it all together.
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2012-09-27, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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The larger your empire, the further any of your cities/production centers are from the front. You also get longer borders and, unless you have dependable allies on some of them (which it seems Haffaton does not), more fronts on which you are likely to be fighting. While supply lines per se don't seem to matter in Erf, troop movements do - much of their total army at any one time is likely to be in or enroute to marshalling areas somewhere. Without a conquered civilian population though there's no need for occupation troops, so homeland defenses can be skimped on, and apparently are.
This isn't the first time we've seen this - when Jillian bailed on the battle of Spacerock, she announced her intention of going after some lightly defended GK cities on the way home.Last edited by ChowGuy; 2012-09-27 at 05:14 AM.
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2012-09-27, 07:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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New page is up.
SpoilerBack in the MK. The Carnymancers are up to something. Some kind of head games. But I think the Carnymancers missed a few things. One is Wanda. Head games don't work on her so well (she has been through much worse) and she probably still is fully juiced up (and the Pliers if there is combat). She also may know a little carnymancy. And probably more importantly there is Jack. I don't think they can even see him behind Parson. I just hope he has some juice left.
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2012-09-27, 09:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have admit that I'm confused by the Carnymancers. Do they work for Charlie, or do they want Charlie to win? Or do they want to continue to conflict and keep everything confused? I don't understand their motivation, and therefore don't understand their role in the story.
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2012-09-27, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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In a war it doesn't matter who's right, only who's left.
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2012-09-27, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Something that struck me about the latest strip - the Predictamancers know Parson is going to get through the portal... but they don't know if he'll do it in one piece. Another one for "Predictamancers aren't as smart as they tell everyone they are", it seems.
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2012-09-30, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Fate has an "end justifies the means" sort of MO. Remember Delphie? She Predicted that Wanda would work for Haffaton eventually. And, eventually, she did. But Fate didn't care what happened to everyone around her. It's the same principle here. Fate only cares that Parson makes it through the Spacerock portal, not who dies to get him there. It's much more likely that Predictamancers perpetually work off incomplete information.
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2012-10-01, 01:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Predictamancers only know about what Fate decides. I seem to recall Delphie making a point about how, with the exception of Wanda, her side HAD no Fate. Hell of a revelation, being told that you are literally the only person out of your entire side important enough for Fate to take notice.
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2012-10-01, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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On the new update:
SpoilerI like =3 So we see how you normally tame a dwagon without the hammer, AND that drugs apparently exist in this world in a manner that can be passed on by eating people that have taken them. (the only other instance i've seen was that healing elixir thing the healomancer drank and 'flaking' in the magic kingdom, implying that drugs were types of spells)Last edited by HalfTangible; 2012-10-01 at 01:41 PM.
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Man this thing was full of outdated stuff.
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