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Thread: Total War: Future (IC)
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2011-05-23, 04:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Total War: Future (IC)
Ascension Coalition
Arcanestomper
SpoilerCreate an EMP bomb using (+) of the Tech.
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2011-05-24, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2011
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- Karlsruhe, Germany
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To GDF [+++++ +]:SpoilerWe will schedule a meeting between your representative and King Albert II. Due to recent concerns regarding security, the ceremonial requires visitors for the king to appear unarmed. We apologize if this is inconvenient for your representative.
To Thelonius [GM]:SpoilerTwo security guards are placed before the door to the meeting room and there is a hidden escape hatch near the king’s throne. King Albert can alarm the guards with an implanted com.
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2011-05-24, 03:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Jun 2010
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Re: Total War: Future (IC)
The Galactic Defence Force
To GKOP [+++++ +++-]
SpoilerThat is an acceptable term.
Shadow Supremacy
The door opened with a hiss.
"Admiral Trask, this is a surprise."
Admiral Trask entered the room, and took seat at the table.
"You invited me"
The Admirals associate didn't look up. His thoughts were occupied. Staring at a map of the galaxy which floated before him.
"Did I? Oh yes, sorry. Have you dealt with your latest assignment?"
"I sent Oscar, he can be trusted"
"Excellent"
There was a long pause. The Admiral waited.
"Was there anything else you needed?
Another long pause.
"Okay... I'll just go then"
Trask sat up, and walked out the door.
"No wait"
Trask stopped.
"Why do you work for me Trask?"
"I said I would stick with you to the end".
"Yes, you did. But look at all we've done since then. When your debt is over, will you still stick with me?"
"I'll never be able to repay you"
"You know what I meant"
Admiral Trask thought for a moment.
"I trust you, thats all that matters"
The Admiral turned and walked away. The Master of Shadows smiled, and returned to his maps.Last edited by razovor; 2011-05-25 at 09:21 AM.
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2011-06-01, 03:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Total War: Future (IC)
Turn 7 Begins
=====Major Events=====
Warp Gates Unstable!
The Warp Lines in the GKOP, Ascension Coalition, K'Krex Dominion and House Varulf's Colony in Lalande 21185 have grown unstable, causing economic damage due to longer transit rates and delays. At this point the instability doesn't present danger to the traveling ships, but tougher maintenance checks are recommended, due to greater stress on the Warp Drives.
Spice Wars
In House Varulf, the Anti-Spice Lobby has managed to snatch a victory with a smallest margin from the Pro-Spice side. Many link the Anti-Spice victory to the election of James Blunt, Minister of Civil Affairs.
The Anti-Spice Organizations are currently focusing on the battle against the illegal spice.
=====Minor Events=====
Spice Addiction on the Raise
The number of people addicted to Spice seems to be on the raise in the nations, that restrict its sale. So far only Light Shipyard's has situation under control, due to tough stance on drug trade.
GKOP-Terran Federation Treaty
GKOP and Terran Federation have signed an extradition treaty as well as several agreements to facilitate cooperation between their respective law enforcement agencies.
Daniel Crombie, Still in Prison
Daniel Crombie, the man accused of violent murder of two Sumus citizens has nearly walked out of prison a free man. The early release of the man, some claim is a hero, and others call thug and muderer, was prevented by reopening of the case, due to new information regarding his cyber-enhancements. The new trial is scheduled to begin in two months.
Several prominent Humanists have already accused Ascension Coalition's government of keeping the innocent man in jail to placate aliens.
======Communications=====
Sumus to GKOP
Spoiler
''We can't read the memories of people, without their permission, since it will erode trust between our races.
We will visit your monasteries to find the peaceful memories, if you grant us such permission.''
(OOC - Church of Procyon is also where all of your research is done. Sumus could easily aquire your technologies, if they were given free access to monasteries).
To GKOP Only
Spoiler
Terran Federation agrees to share technology, once its developed.
The Constancy Party clearly dislikes your support for their opposition. They send subtle diplomatic signals, that should it continue, relations between GKOP and Constancy Party, and by proxy Terran Federation might sour.
Volkov contact Lady Usher to urge her to convince King Albert to follow Constancy Party's request. ''We have a lot of conservative members, who react poorly to change. If I can have more time to work the reforms through and get positive results, I'll be able to change things, but at the moment, provoking them would be unwise.''
=====Economy News=====
Energy Market Shrinks
The massive Star Stations in Van Maanen's Star was put into operation by EVRAZ. The energy from the station has fully met all energy needs in the start system. Another station is scheduled to become operational in GJ687 in the next year.
The market has reacted with a sharp drop in energy companies share prices.
FTL Device in CAP
WNNC and CAP have financed construction of Mercury Device in CAP, expanding the FTL communications network.
VirtuTech Takes Entertainment Market By Storm
VirtuTech has released a new game for its entertainment system. The game features performances by several star actors, massive virtual world and unprecedented player's ability to affect it. The game was initially available in the Terran Federation, but soon was pirated to other star systems, which has served as a great promotional campaign.
''VirtuTech's attention to details and raw talent has masterfully masked the limitations of our virtual technology, creating a world you sometimes can confuse with reality.''
''The game's flaws are mostly due to technological limitations and at times too clichéd story. However the star cast from Terran Federation, such as Elisa Woodrow and Michael Mashutin, carry the story beyond it's simple premise. I would say this is a good game, that falls short of true masterpiece. I hope VirtuTech takes note of its mistakes to deliver us something truly unforgettable, on their next try.''
At this point VirtuTech entertainment systems remain the cutting edge in the area of the virtual technology, but the competition has already announced development of systems with better immersion and special time flow mechanic, R-Winkle.
VirtuTech has become a Market Leader in Entertainment Market.
(OOC - please remind me which nations bought VirtuTech systems for a small boost to morale. I'm certain about GKOP, but I recall there was one or two more).
Skilled Labor Shortage
The construction of the massive star stations have drawn every available specialist to fill various positions, necessary to execute such complex projects. At this point only EVRAZ has no problem with employees, due to their exclusive contract with House Varulf.
Free Trade Zone in Sol System
Terran Federation has announced, it will designate a space station as a Free Trade Zone. At this stage the project is still in the planning stage, but if completed, it will bring one of the largest trade stations ever constructed into existance.I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-01, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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To Thelonius (GM)
SpoilerVirtutech sold systems to House Varulf, Light Shipyard, Procyon and Solaris.
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2011-06-01, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
The Virtual Domes Kingdom of Procyon has constructed have become the favourite relaxation place in the nation. It is also where many people meet and spend time together. There is a popular lobby to make the Virtual Sports into an official sport and the top players have achieved a minor celebrity status.
GKOP gains (-) Morale.
(OOC - Procyon was one step from Morale increase.)I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-01, 05:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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GDF to Jelthes [+++++ -]
Spoiler"We would like to purchase a technology to improve our defensive espionage. What do you have available?"
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2011-06-01, 06:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2011
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- Karlsruhe, Germany
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To the Sumus [+++++ ++]:SpoilerWe understand your concerns in regard to forcefully reading another mind. We will see if we manage to convince the subjects in question to agree to the procedure.
OOC: My suggestion to contact monasteries was more directed towards traditional monasteries (i.e. christian, hindoo and budistic monasteries) and spiritual individuals like eremites, yogis, spirit seer and similar. I imagine the visit of a Procyon monastery would not be very peaceful; they are effectively laboratories, research centres and think tanks.
To Terran Federation [+++++ ++]:SpoilerPrivate meeting between Lady Usher and Volkov:SpoilerI will talk with King Albert II about your worries. I am sure he will understand you and will use his influence to change Sun Channels policy in regard to their talk shows and programs with political content.
A few days later, Sun Channels programs changed subtly. There are still shows with political content, but the opposition members no longer receive preferred treatment. The shows adopt a firm neutral standpoint in regard to the political parties.
To Ascencion Coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerThe embassy requests a private meeting between the ambassador and a high ranking member of the government, to discuss how to handle the financial sector and other things.
To Human Coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerOur agents discovered, that the K’Krex were able to build a Rift Gate. Our agents were forced to withdraw before they could observe more, but the last thing their sensors picked up looked like a Hive Ship emerging from the Rift.
It might be possible, that the activation of this Rift Gate caused the instabilities within the surrounding Warp Lanes.
To Aurelian Colonies [+++++ ++]:SpoilerOur agents discovered, that the K’Krex were able to build a Rift Gate. Our agents were forced to withdraw before they could observe more, but the last thing their sensors picked up looked like a Hive Ship emerging from the Rift.
It might be possible, that the activation of this Rift Gate caused the instabilities within the surrounding Warp Lanes.Last edited by KalShurak; 2011-06-01 at 06:22 PM.
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2011-06-01, 06:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Total War: Future (IC)
Suula En'Coi
Arcane and Thelonius
SpoilerMove That Which Brings the Equation Into Balance (the first of the class of ship I build) to 36 Oph.
Thel, explain how hard to damage this thing is, how well armed it is, and how hard to hit it is.
Have it supported by the Memory of light at extreme range. Have the Blaze Luminous protect the Memory. Get me that gas mining station!
Many, many thanks to azuyomi244 for the avatar.
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2011-06-01, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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GKOP
SpoilerThey are a threat to everything correct? If so we should eliminate them. All of us should.
Arcanestomper
SpoilerHow are the scans coming along.
GM
SpoilerI'm clustering most of my fleet around the jump point nearest the k'krex. Te rest will take up tactical positons around the planets and important sites like shipyards.Last edited by Dragonfire; 2011-06-01 at 06:58 PM.
78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
Where did you start yours?
They were the kings messengers that were ambushed on a road to a small town by hobgoblin raiders.
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2011-06-02, 03:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition
Spoiler
Espionage: +++++ +++++
Military: +++++ +++++ -
Economy: ++
Morale: ++
1. Does everybody contribute the same amount of Espionage?
2. How do you wish to spend it?
3. Humanists are demanding Mother Rhea to be removed from the Coalition as untrustworthy.
4. Does GKOP inform the entire Coalition of their findings about K'Krex?
Coalition Members:
Commonwealth
Ascension Coalition
GKOP
Anarchists
Star Gods
CAP
Humanists
EVRAZ
To Aurelian Colonies
Spoiler
The DX Cancri is the system controlled by Rouke, a race part of the K'Krex Dominion. You concentrate your forces at the Warp Gate leading to it.
I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-02, 04:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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To Human Coalition:
Spoiler
We suggest espionage is devoted to this new finding about the K'Krex. Where was it?
Other than that, we might want to keep checking our systems for any infiltrated Hive Mind, if this lead doesn't pan out.
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2011-06-02, 06:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To Aurelian Colonies [+++++ ++]:SpoilerThe K’Krex as a race are driven by their concept of honour and duty. Currently they have a non-aggression treaty with several human nations. Therefore we do not think they will attack immediately but a strong watch is necessary. The Human Coalition is a multinational coalition formed to protect humanity and its allies against threats like the K’Krex and the Hive Mind. If you wish you can join us in this noble endeavour.
To Terran Federation [+++++ ++]:SpoilerCurrently the skilled labour market is on the rise, but due to House Varulfs control over this market, its growth is stunted and the costs are exploding. You have a large and well educated population. If you were willing to allow them more freedom on were to work, you could capitalise on this development and attempt to break House Varulfs iron grip on the supply of skilled labour.
To Sthuthid Federation [+++++ ++]:SpoilerOur scientists believe that a study on spice addiction would lead to ways to combat the withdrawal symptoms and unwanted side effects. Further it would allow us to help those suffering from overdose. Would you be interested in supporting this research?
To Human Coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerTGKOP supplies the same amount of esp. and mil. as last turn.
TGKOP shares its observations from last turn with all coalition members.
(The Gate is in Epsilon Eridianii)
We agree with House Varulf that we need to gather more information about the development in Epsilon Eridianii
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2011-06-02, 06:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sthuthid Federation to GKOP
Spoiler
''We will support this research''.
Terran Federation to GKOP
Spoiler
''We will hold a vote to decide, whether to follow your suggestion.''
Human Coalition:
Spoiler
Humanists:
''The K'Krex have deceived us! That peace treaty was a ruse, to get Rift Gate operational, so they could move in and conquer humanity. We demand an immediate military response, before they bring more reinforcements and we are making this information public, so all human factions know of this threat. It is time to finally wipe this threat to humanity out.''
Anarchist
''Humanists are probably right. We support their position.''
CAP
''K'Krex have a peace treaty with us. Let's not jump to conclusions. We don't want to provoke an unnecessary war''
Mother Rhea
''I don't care for K'Krex. I will act only against Hive Mind, as it is the true enemy of life''.
Last edited by Thelonius; 2011-06-02 at 06:47 AM.
I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-02, 06:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Total War: Future (IC)
Ascension Coalition
To GKOP
SpoilerCertainly. Mr Barsukov is very busy, but a meeting with Robert Cooper, Administrator of Skye can be arranged. Is that acceptable?
Human Coalition
SpoilerWe agree with the CAP. We should be cautious, but we have no proof they have hostile intent.
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2011-06-02, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition
Spoiler
Humanists
''This isn't caution. This is cowardice! This is treachery! We could have wiped out K'Krex ages ago, if our politicians had the least of the backbone. Do you think your people will stand for it, once we tell them how bad the situation is? We want the Coalition to drive our battle fleets right to Eridani System and tell those chit bastards to shut down that Rift Gate immediately.''
Agitation
Humanists have began to rally their supporters in Glorious Kingdom of Procyon, Commonwealth, Light Shipyards, CAP, Anarchists, Ascension Coalition Terran Federation and EVRAZ systems. Their leaders claim, they have an important message, they wish to share with people.
House Varulf - Commonwealth (Esp. +++++ ++-)
Spoiler
You are informed by CIA, that several Humanists leaders have been visiting Commander-In-Chief Admiral Stross and Minister James Blunt pretty often lately.
I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-02, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To Ascension coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerSir Canning will meet with your representative.
To Sthuthid Federation [+++++ ++]:SpoilerThank you; this will make it much easier to finish the research.
To Human Coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerBlindly attacking an enemy of unknown strength and with unknown plans is a receipt for failure. Before we act militarily, we need more and new information about the events in Epsilon Eridianii.
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2011-06-02, 08:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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To Human Coalition:
Spoiler
Yeah. We cannot allow the K'Krex to bring in the might of their entire race against us divided.
We must force them to close the gate, no matter the cost. The alternative might as well be extinction.
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2011-06-02, 08:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition:
Spoiler
1. So the question is, whether you move against K'Krex right away or if you chose to wait for intelligence reports.
2. How much espionage do you use to investigate K'Krex?
(Their def. espionage: +++++ ++) What are the mission objectives?
GKOP -> Wait
Ascension Coalition -> Wait
EVRAZ -> Undecided, leaning Attack, Want Rift Gate Closed
Anarchists -> Undecided
CAP -> Wait, Undecided about Rift Gate
Humanists -> Attack, Want Rift Gate Closed
Mother Rhea -> Won't get involved
To Light Shipyards
Spoiler
The recent investigation into the criminal families in Ligth Shipyards failed to produce results. There were several suggestions, that Light Shipyards should give more power to its police force, so it could prosecute criminals with greater efficiency.
(If police is given extra powers, Gain /+ Morale, Lose (-) Culture, Syndicate will lose stats)
I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-02, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To Human Coalition [+++++ ++]:SpoilerIf we learn where their forces are stationed and how strong they are, we can attack and close the Gate, if necessary by destroying it. But if the majority decides others, we will follow the atack plan.
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2011-06-02, 09:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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TGKOP
SpoilerI would be interested in joining this colation.78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
Where did you start yours?
They were the kings messengers that were ambushed on a road to a small town by hobgoblin raiders.
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2011-06-02, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition
Spoiler
We will be spending our espionage on the K'Krex threat for now. We do not have enough to spread it around.
There are two missions. Figure out what the defenses around the rift gate are, as well as all other details about it. And find the main concentrations of K'Krex military power.
After we have the intel required for a successful attack, we will move.
((GM: Once we begin the attack, the Varulf military in Lalande annihilates the K'Krex presence there and sets up an ambush at the warp gate.))
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2011-06-02, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Light Shipyards
To Humanists
SpoilerWe invite you to share your message with us. If it is of critical importance feel free to bring it up in parliment
To GM
SpoilerThe police will be given extra powers.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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I Fell in Love with a Storm: MLP
Procrastination: MLP
Spoiler: Original FictionThe Lost Dragon: A story about a priest who finds a baby dragon in his church and decides to protect them.
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2011-06-02, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Coalition
Spoiler
Espionage:
Used: ++++
Remaining: ++++
Report:
Lalande 21185:
Warp Gate Defenses (-)
DX Cancri
K'Krex: (+-)
Rouke: (+)
Eridani System:
Spy Satellites: between + and +++ (Suspected)
Rift Gate: +++ (Confirmed)
Planet: + (Confirmed)
Other: between 0 and +++++ (Suspected)
The presence of the Rift Gate was confirmed. Some transport ships were observed entering and leaving it. The forces at the Rift Gate has positioned themselves to intercept any attack against the gate. It isn't the most efficient combat formation, but it is the best way to protect the gate. They have also positioned some civilian ships close to the gate and there is clearly a work on the station, probably to strengthen its against attacks.
Light Shipyards:
Spoiler
Humanists give you full intelligence on Coalition meetings. You can read its spoilers now.
I saw humans get on fine without power for millennia. You used to hunt and gather, what happened to that?
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2011-06-02, 01:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition:
Spoiler
Well. What do you think? If the gate is meant to bring in reinforcements and we do not take it out, we're all done for. If not, we might be unjustified in the attack. Is it worth the risk?
We say no. Let's go in and hit them until they surrender and the gate is gone.
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2011-06-03, 04:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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The Glorious Kingdom of Procyon
To Aurelian Colonies [+++++ ++]:SpoilerSimple, contact the Coalition and state your contribution. After you have joined we will forward the communication protocolls for the Coalition to you. This way you will know wat is going on. (Afterwards you can read the older Human Coalition spoilers)
To Humanists:SpoilerPlease share your thoughts with us. But consider, creating chaos and spreading fear within the population would only weaken humanity.
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2011-06-03, 08:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition
SpoilerI'm interested in joining the Coalition. What exactly is neccisary to do this?78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
Where did you start yours?
They were the kings messengers that were ambushed on a road to a small town by hobgoblin raiders.
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2011-06-03, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition to Aurelian Colonies:
Spoiler
Contribute some military and espionage and/or something else useful and state your opinion on whether we should attack the K'Krex who are building a gate allowing for millions of their kind arrive to our space and wipe our entire species out, as well as what we should do to track down the Hive Mind and whether you'd agree to cleansing the 61 Cygni system from a hostile alien species who might be allied to the Hive Mind but aren't leaving their system yet.
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2011-06-03, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Human Coalition
SpoilerI can contribute ++ points of military and + of Espionage to the Coalition. I have a stickiy sitiuation i'm in after that is fixed I will be able to send more ships.
I think we should launch an attack upon the K'Krex before their numbers become to great. And the gate needs to die. Could I have some more imformation on the Hive Mind problem?78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. If you're one of the 22% that didn't, copy and paste this into your signature.
Where did you start yours?
They were the kings messengers that were ambushed on a road to a small town by hobgoblin raiders.
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2011-06-03, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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ArcaneStomper:
Spoiler
I'd like an update on all the explorable sites in Lalande now that I have enough funds to explore it all. Assume I've done everything I said before.
Thelonius:
Spoiler
Have my experts managed any progress on the age-old K'Krex transmission from the shot-down sub-admiral or whoever it was?