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Thread: LGBTAitp - Part Thirteen
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Katy Perry also did Ur So Gay... I really just don't like any of her music.
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Since you kinda ninja-ed me and
twoa lot of people(you guys work fast!) posted since my post, i'll reply here:
D'awwww. This. This is what I consider victory for LGBTA+ rights.
This is also a victory for me; that gay people can be gay without being a flaming stereotype. Fun fact: A person I used to know refused to believe I was gay on the basis that I wasn't an effeminate flaming girly-boy. Or that a friend of mine who was slightly effeminate was straight, and I suspect she promptly started spreading rumours about him for whatever reason.
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*Looks at skinniest picture I could find of Gaga*
Uhm, she is probably closer to a healthy range than me and I'm still in the "no danger, but you can count your ribs" zone. ^_^'
Also, stop posting so many alluring music links! I don't have time to watch them!
The Montreal story made me smile, though. Sounds much better than the stories I ususally hear about the general public.Treasured Quotes
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Oh you IDIOT.
Me, not you.
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Hey, once I was 6' and weighed 100 lbs. (or thereabouts). But I never claimed it was sexy or healthy.
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I've mostly been trying to avoid it until Youtube stops trying to shove it down my throat by redirecting me to it constantly.
Anyone else been noticing something like that happening since the song came out?
Really? That makes me sad now. I mean, when you have a community that is stereotyped due to having an apparently increased proportion interested in the creative arts and you have to co-opt a song from the perspective of a woman surviving domestic abuse as your anthem.
Why does that resonate with you? We still have murderers and pedos as the current LCDs of non/anti-perfection.
Wait. You meant the other one? I'm not exactly sure how that would help him rather than just hurt him.
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Yes, a thousand times yes. It doesn't matter whether I'm looking up music, a Monty Python sketch, or an economics video-lecture. For the past few weeks the top related video has been one of her songs Every. Single. TIME.
As someone who doesn't enjoy her music or weird dada-istic tendencies even a little, I object! *takes out a torch and pitchfork* We must storm the Bastille, show the youtube tyrants that our tastes shall not be influenced by their brainwashing back room deals!
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NEVAR!! Oh alright, two more links, and then that's it. For now. >:3c
Mark Weigle was the one I forgot, and it's not about LGBT in particular, but Within Temptation's Stand my ground seems rather appropriate.
@Echoes: Yeeeah, this is why I ignore the recommended/suggested/sponsered/etc videos. They rarely, if ever, even remotely relate to what I'm currently watching. They're about a step above spam-bots spouting "HOT GIRLS FREE HERE" and such non-sense... on a video about gay love. *ker-facepalm*
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No, not really, I'm still quite skeptical about this claim. Especially since you made it about skinny teenagers with all the strange things happening to their bodies(plus, y'know, thinking about teenagers' bodies. ew. ) and the assumption that not being underweight means healthy and not underfat.
It shouldn't, those are completely different orders of magnitude.
Especially for a LCD medium such as music videos where the general symbology is that it does mean X.
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I'm going to nominate We Are the Champions by Queen as the anthem of pan-queer nationality, especially since that was its actual purport. I'm a little surprised it hasn't come up yet.
& I'm 26 and my ribs are xylophony, so dammit, it's not unhealthy.Last edited by Kneenibble; 2011-05-04 at 02:30 PM.
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I have not seen many shirtless people older than me, so skinny teenagers are my basis.
It doesn't? I was under the assumption that underweight meant that you where unhealthy and normal weight meant... Well, normal. ^_^'
My hip-waist ratio isn't in the danger zone either, though. ^_^
I wonder if it could have something to do with genetics or muscle-mass, think taht may explain why we disagree?Treasured Quotes
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Obviously there's a range of healthy sizes. I don't know if Lady Gaga is actually medically undernourished or just built like a pencil, but if I was her friend, I'd be telling her to take it easy and make sure she was getting three square meals. Separately, I don't find that stick-thin look attractive, especially not on women because hips and breasts are there for a reason, but I could understand that some people like skinny, same way some people like curvy, or pear shaped, or ripped, or whatever. In fact, my partner is at the low end of the healthy weight range, and 6'1", but Lady Gaga looks like she's about half his size, but not much shorter, in that video anyway. I've seen other videos and wasn't so struck by it, but then, she was wearing clothes or clothes-like structures at the time.
Also, I understand that semi- or completely naked isn't always about sex, and I have seen great pieces of art that show the human form in a non-sexual way. But the way she was dancing? I mean, there was a lot of birth imagery, but typically it's a pregnant women who gives birth. Since she clearly wasn't pregnant, that interpretation only goes so far.
And I second We Are The Champions, because it is kick ass!
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Since we're on the subject of weight anyway, what's a healthy weight for somebody who's 6'2? I know I'm more underweight than I should be, I'm just wondering how much more.*
*I'm not concerned about looking thin or anything, I'm just too dang picky when it comes to food.
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Yes, definitely. I'm not claiming Asta Kask, or people like him are of that magnitude, but I can't help but think of that sort of thing when people sexualize things that (in my mind) are not sexual.
I disagree. You can have all sorts of imagery about birth and creation without needing a pregnant person.
Also, Lady GaGa is a lot shorter than you'd think. She does wear insanely high heels a lot though.
Really, the main thing I like about Born This Way as a gay anthem, is that it's explicitly stated that it's about the LGBT community.Last edited by Nix Nihila; 2011-05-04 at 03:29 PM.
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Do it my way then. Drink a gallon of soda every day for three years. Guaranteed to put blubber on those bones. Healthy? No. Effective? Yes.
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About weight, count me in as someone who didn't realise you could be at a healthy weight and still have countable ribs!
It's called a "range" for a reason though. Bone structure, metabolism, etc, mean that two people of same height might be at opposite ends of that healthy range.
This being said, it also means that people can be at opposite ends of the heathy range and BOTH be unhealthy, because the thinner one of the two should be on the upper part of it and the heavier one should be on the lower part of it rather than the opposite.
To take the example of 66 to 88 kilograms, obviously if someone should be one and they're the other one, it can be a problem.
Exercise is indeed the best way to regulate your weight to what it should be (meaning you'll lose if you're overweight and gain if you're underweight) provided you eat healthy too of course. (Eat after exercising so that it can rebuild the muscles you've just been tearing, and make sure to get a bunch of protein in that meal).
I think it's a bit sad that nowadays people get scared when they're barely heavy, and don't worry about being too thin, as it can be a problem too. I hear the "healthy" BMI range has even been changed from 20-25 to 18-25 because too many people were under it. That seems silly.
18-20 used to be "underweight", the equivalent of the "overweight", and under 18 was "severely underweight" or the equivalent of obese but the other way around (as in it becomes medically bad for you).
There is no reason why 18-20 would suddenly be healthier than it used to be, but I heard that since models often fell into that range, it got changed so people couldn't say models weren't healthy. Pretty silly altogether.
The weird thing is that wikipedia still has the old numbers in the description:
a BMI of 20 to 25 may indicate optimal weight; a BMI lower than 20 suggests the person is underweight while a number above 25 may indicate the person is overweight; a person may have a BMI below 20 due to disease; a number above 30 suggests the person is obese (over 40, morbidly obese).
(BMI is obviously not the most accurate thing ever, but it's a common way to get a general idea when you're sedentary, which is why it's what I'm talking about here).
Since we're on the LGBT thread, I wonder if the weights compare with the general population, or if due to bullying, non acceptance, etc, there are more eating disorders for instance.
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I'm 6'4 and 238 pounds... great, now I feel like a fatty-pants. >_>
Not even touching the nudity =\= sexuality topic because I will either- A) WHAAARGHBL repeatedly.
- B)Flip the frickity frick out.
- C)Have a goddess-damned rage-induced aneurysm.
- D)Wish the world to be stabbed. With FIRE.
- E)Some combination of the above.
Yes, the stupidity and narrowmindedness of some people when dealing with this topic spooshes me off that much. Nudity is not dirty or sexual in of itselfckpthgzl!! >_<
Oh, and some more for the anthem:
- Christina Aguilera
- Gossip
- Bit of a stretch, but this could sort of qualify, and even then it's more "Take THAT, homophobes!" rather than "Gay is okay".
This was supposed to be more fleshed out, but I is tie-uuurd.
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I'm 181 cm tall and weigh 70 kg, coming down to BMI of 21,4.
And I'm stick thin. Really. Skin and bones. I really wish my upper body would pick up some more muscle mass so I wouldn't look so wiry. I guess all that weight must be in my legs (somehow).
I make up for it by wearing thick and loose clothes, which make me look twice broader than I actually am."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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You could try push-ups and lifting weights. I was worried when I started that I would look all beefy or something, which I didn't want (especially being a woman, but you might not want that either despite being male), but that didn't happen at all and I feel much better being able to carry stuff around, instead of feeling weak and stuff. And it muscles your arms, shoulders and chest all at once.
It's super hard at the beginning but then it gets easy much faster than I expected it to. You can start against a wall, then switch to the floor from your knees, then full push ups. PM me if you want to talk about that so the thread doesn't get too derailed :)Last edited by Lissou; 2011-05-04 at 05:40 PM.
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175cm and barely more than 50kg... >.>
People have wondered how I'm capable of standing in the past.
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According to the BMI I'm underweight (16.7), and every site that tells me this also has a list of "treatments" for my "condition".
And I, too, resent the implication that just because I'm tall and have very little fat and tiny tiny bones means I can't be sexy.
But it's nice to be able to still fit in boys clothing and have them fit fairly well.My preferred pronouns: they, them, their
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Sheesh, I'm starting to feel fat at a BMI of 20.
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Okay. So, I have new news on the "golly gee, golentan may be intersex" front.
My doc and I had a talk a couple months back, and asked me to keep a journal of some physical and emotional traits. I appear to be synced with my friend's menstrual cycle three months running. Tangential note: I really want to jump someone's bones right now.
Got an appointment to try confirming it with a blood test in a couple more months. Not that I want to jump someone's bones, just that I may be intersex.
Note that I'm not going to. I have self respect, self control, and all that. It's just obnoxious and distracting. Probably. On which note, it's too bad E wasn't interested, he would totally have gotten lucky tonight.