Dominic Deegan: Oracle for Hire, Mk. XXXVIII: This Show Blew My Boogeyman

[Trazoi]

take a photo of this event.

for SCIENCE!

The punishment of the comic moved past punches long ago. It has now been torn asunder, disemboweled, and trampled by gnomes.

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[Garland]

Destroying the newspost too was both justified and necessary.

ROCK ON NOW!

[Seerow]

The punishment of the comic moved past punches long ago. It has now been torn asunder, disemboweled, and trampled by gnomes.

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I vote on emailing this to mookie.

[Castel]

I vote on emailing this to mookie.

I think that could end with the cops involved.

[Shogo]

Ok. Celesto thinks his plan still worked out as he wanted it to. Minus a dead child.

If it really did work. I don't know man. The stupidity might be more than I can handle. I might book a trip to a convention for the express purpose of giving Mookie a black eye.

[T-O-E]

The Something Awful guys are talking about the name A Nimmel House.

Choice quotes:

This is the first Mookie pun to make me genuinely angry.

I had to say it out loud to get it. Goddamit, someone please burn mookie's jokebook that he's stealing these from.

Memory tells me it's nothing at all like the movie so I don't get why he had that name outside of the obvious pun. No doubt he planned the character's name to allow it.

If you don't know, Fawkes came up with that for a thread name and someone emailed it to Mookie. Worm was right that Mookie didn't come up with it himself though.

[M84]

Man, I am not looking forward to Mookie's attempts to drag out this arc for another week. All I hope is that he drags it out for only a week.

[Oracle_Hunter]

If you don't know, Fawkes came up with that for a thread name and someone emailed it to Mookie. Worm was right that Mookie didn't come up with it himself though.

It's always hard to tell who came up with what on the Internet, but I'm pretty sure that A Nimmel House (the name, not the Arc) is actually our fault.

And that's terrible

[Fawkes]

Hey, don't blame this on me! It was Ganurath's fault!

But yeah, I was the one who thought it was absolutely hilarious and suggested emailing it to Mookie. My bad.

[random11]

Regarding the last strip, I'll start with the good.
Celesto is crazy. And when I say crazy I mean InSaNELy crazy.
That's good because that's the only reasonable explanation of why Celesto whould be obsessed about killing as part of his plan.

The bad part however, is that he is crazy, but also extremely stupid.
He could have been idealist, smart and crazy, thinking of an actual good plan to frame the king, one that involves killing innocents.
Instead, we get a crazy person with a tentacled big screen TV. This is something that ANY character could have done, what a waste of using one like Celesto for this.

[Seerow]

Regarding the last strip, I'll start with the good.
Celesto is crazy. And when I say crazy I mean InSaNELy crazy.
That's good because that's the only reasonable explanation of why Celesto whould be obsessed about killing as part of his plan.

The bad part however, is that he is crazy, but also extremely stupid.
He could have been idealist, smart and crazy, thinking of an actual good plan to frame the king, one that involves killing innocents.
Instead, we get a crazy person with a tentacled big screen TV. This is something that ANY character could have done, what a waste of using one like Celesto for this.

Do we KNOW that the tv thing was celesto's plan?


Didn't that take place after the See The Truth spell? What if the See The Truth is what caused that, making it Dominic's warping of the plan. All we actually know of Celesto's plan was that he intended to have a unSnuggly burst out of chance's chest in front of everyone.

If he had used his Chaos/Seer Powers to redirect any scrying of that event to show King DJ giving the orders (presumably what that really cute image of King+Snuggly was supposed to be), it would have been just subtle enough to raise doubts.

We DO know that the Masters family has seers on call, and would have called them in after such an event.

We DO know that even Dominic didn't sense Celesto's involvement in the attack until Celesto revealed himself.

We DON'T know quite how see the truth works, because it changes pretty much every time. But say Celesto had implanted that image in the UnSnuggly's before the attack, now when See The Truth goes off, it unleashes that image not just to Dominic, but to everyone, who can see the 'truth'. While Celesto's vision does get seen, doing so in such a way is much more blatant, and thus less believable. So it was actually Dominic's interference in the matter that turned the scenario from plausible to stupid.

[Johnny Blade]

Do we KNOW that the tv thing was celesto's plan?

We may not know, but Dominic Deegan being what it is, do you really think it's realistic that it wasn't? I mean, if it had been some kind of deviation from the original plan or something Celesto made up on the spot, I'm pretty sure there would have been talking heads informing us of this afterwards.




Also, what's so bad about A Nimmel House? It's a stupid pun, sure, but apart from that what's the big deal?

[Traab]

WHAT THE HELL IS THE PUN?! I dont get it? What is a nimmel house supposed to be a pun of?

[Zaq]

WHAT THE HELL IS THE PUN?! I dont get it? What is a nimmel house supposed to be a pun of?

This should help.

[T-O-E]

Hey, don't blame this on me! It was Ganurath's fault!

That's weird. I vividly remembered you suggesting it.

[Gez]

Also, what's so bad about A Nimmel House? It's a stupid pun, sure, but apart from that what's the big deal?

First, there's a sounding board effect where, since everybody is harshly criticizing everything Mookie does and pointing out that it's horrible, then anything that Mookie does can be denounced as horrible and it'll pass without further questioning. It's a problem we have here too, though of course it's mostly excused by the fact that Mookie is horrible at everything he does.

But mostly, since they're not in the joke, they perceive it as Mookie mocking them with that reference, rather than as Mookie being tricked by mockers. You've probably noticed how angry everyone is at the comic every time Mookie is self-parodying. It comes off as a slap against the readers because it shows Mookie is aware of his flaws as a webcomicker but prefers to exploit them for cheap humor rather than spending any effort correcting or at least alleviating them. So, Mookie getting the idea of calling the arc after Animal House is a taunt.

[Wraith]

If you don't know, Fawkes came up with that for a thread name and someone emailed it to Mookie. Worm was right that Mookie didn't come up with it himself though.

In all fairness - because I was the first person to point out the potential for "Animal House-style antics", while Fawkes was indeed the first person to make the pun - I'm tempted to register on Something Awful just to point out that the GitP Snarkers are responsible for that pun.

I mean, it's a point of pride on GitP that we only make fun of Dominic Deegan as a work of fiction, and never Michael Terraciano as a human being, and generally we're quite good at policing ourselves in that regard. In this instance, without our honesty we're letting Mookie take the wrap for something that really isn't his fault.

[random11]

Do we KNOW that the tv thing was celesto's plan?

Like most other things in the comic, we can never know, but can only guess.

From what I see in the previous strips, the creation of the mega beast TV screen was done without any connection to Dominic's spell, which was intended to save the boy and stop Celesto, the TV was created by the beast instead of by anything that looks like it was done by Dominic, Dominic destroyed the TV shortly after it was created, and Celesto said that it worked out in the end.

We have no idea what the original plans were, from what I see there was never ANY plan involved.
But assuming that there was a plan, the TV looks like it was done by Celesto or the mini beasts, and not Dominic.

Is it possible that Celesto's original plan was to kill the boy and then the seers would reveal the beasts?
Sure, only Dominic insisted that the beast cannot be seen by conventional methods, and the connection to the king will not be revealed by the seers even if they could see it.

What pisses me off the most, is that Mookie uses our imagination to explain things.
There are countless of plot holes in the arcs. Sure, maybe one could find some way to pass most of them, but there isn't any indication that that was planned, usually the contrary.
For example, when we asked why Dominic didn't use his super power sooner, there were suggestions that came from the people here, some good, some not as good but all better than not explaining at all.
When it was finally explained in one of the posts, the actual reason was "because it's kool!1!".
So why should we bother trying to cover the plot holes if the author himself does not intend to even recognize they exist?

[Traab]

This should help.

Ah ok then, I get it now. And I like that pun now dammit!

[Garland]

I remember not getting it at first because movie title "translations" to the latinoamerican public make no sense whatsoever. Can't remember right now what was that movie's title here but it had nothing to do with the original.

[Fawkes]

According to IMDb, it was "Colegio de animales" in Mexico, Argentina, Peru, and Uruguay.

Apparently, a lot of countries just translated "American College". Maybe they thought it was a documentary?

[SiuiS]

In all fairness - because I was the first person to point out the potential for "Animal House-style antics", while Fawkes was indeed the first person to make the pun - I'm tempted to register on Something Awful just to point out that the GitP Snarkers are responsible for that pun.

I mean, it's a point of pride on GitP that we only make fun of Dominic Deegan as a work of fiction, and never Michael Terraciano as a human being, and generally we're quite good at policing ourselves in that regard. In this instance, without our honesty we're letting Mookie take the wrap for something that really isn't his fault.

I'm actually the opposite. The comic I'm mostly fine with, but it paints a terrible picture of mookie, where he doesn't give a drat about anything I think makes a human being worth while. That's a majority of why I don't loiter here that much anymore. I'm breaking the Code of Snark.

Do we KNOW that the tv thing was celesto's plan?


Didn't that take place after the See The Truth spell? What if the See The Truth is what caused that, making it Dominic's warping of the plan. All we actually know of Celesto's plan was that he intended to have a unSnuggly burst out of chance's chest in front of everyone.

If he had used his Chaos/Seer Powers to redirect any scrying of that event to show King DJ giving the orders (presumably what that really cute image of King+Snuggly was supposed to be), it would have been just subtle enough to raise doubts.

We DO know that the Masters family has seers on call, and would have called them in after such an event.

We DO know that even Dominic didn't sense Celesto's involvement in the attack until Celesto revealed himself.

I think this is one of those things that was explained, but subtly. And since you guys expect Mookie to have the subtle skills of a meat truck, it goes as either wrong or an accident.

Celesto's brush with the Beast effectively made him into the same creature type; Deeganverse magic normally can't do anything about extraplanar abominations. Celesto was tainted and gained the Beast template, changing his type to Aberration [extraplanar], just like the beast.

There is a world-spanning horror who can travel the mental planes and wreak havoc, which is only identifiable by being untraceable. This is the defining point of the beast, right? Horrible monstrosity that cannot be perceived until ts too late. Luckily, the beast is unique! So obviously, any activity on the planes or originating from the planes, that cannot be traced, will point at the beast.

Except Mookie has peeled aside verisimilitude¹ and shown the audience that behind the scenes, Celesto has the same ability now (gasp!). So any investigation into Celesto's activity will implicate the Beast. If not, then ANYONE doing ANY INVESTIGATING AT ALL who is not A) Deegan or B) the bad guys, will find evidence that points to the beast, and the king.

It's actually quite clever. There is one vampire/werewolf/whatever in existence. You become a vampire/werewolf/whatever without telling anyone, and by default, anything you do, until your presence and situation are revealed, makes the progenitor vampire/werewolf/whatever look bad.

So the fact that snuggly tentacles formed a tv and wide-screened the DJ callan getting chummy with the Beast is dumb, just means that everyone win any ability to investigate will think the Beast is dumb, because for all functional purposes the Beast implicated himself on his own widescreen television.

As much as I feel Mookie is a hack, this is something he's actually done right. It's hammy, and clumsy, but it's there, even if he will ruin it later.



¹: Such that it is.

[Trazoi]

I'm actually the opposite. The comic I'm mostly fine with, but it paints a terrible picture of mookie, where he doesn't give a drat about anything I think makes a human being worth while. That's a majority of why I don't loiter here that much anymore. I'm breaking the Code of Snark.

A big problem is that a lot of the wronger elements of DD blur the line - half the cast being based on Mookie's RPG characters, the origin of Lynn's Brook and Facebath. And even though you pick up most of this stuff from the newsposts and the subsequent forum discussions you still feel like a creepy stalker about how you know way too much about someone who merely makes a webcomic.

[Castel]

[...]you still feel like a creepy stalker about how you know way too much about someone who merely makes a webcomic.

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[uncool]

[...]you still feel like a creepy stalker about how you know way too much about someone who merely makes a webcomic.

You say that like it's a bad thing, Mr. Anderson, who lives at 2852 Cherry Lane.

fixed
=Uncool-

[TheArsenal]

I think this is one of those things that was explained, but subtly. And since you guys expect Mookie to have the subtle skills of a meat truck, it goes as either wrong or an accident.

Is it ever NOT that?

Celesto's brush with the Beast effectively made him into the same creature type; Deeganverse magic normally can't do anything about extraplanar abominations. Celesto was tainted and gained the Beast template, changing his type to Aberration [extraplanar], just like the beast.

How. It never had that effect before. Well it did but it took away the free will. What did celery do different?

There is a world-spanning horror who can travel the mental planes and wreak havoc, which is only identifiable by being untraceable.

Its time RET RET RET RETETETETCA CONS! Its Time for Con con conamisuers (Retca cacon)

Nope. Derpdy doo. The beast is now terrified of a single dude pretendng to be a space lobster. That shows how there are already bigger fish in the ocean. So to be honest if there is a giant lizard that protects earth it should do just fine.

If not, then ANYONE doing ANY INVESTIGATING AT ALL who is not A) Deegan or B) the bad guys, will find evidence that points to the beast, and the king.

NO! WHAT EVIDENCE?

It's actually quite clever. There is one vampire/werewolf/whatever in existence. You become a vampire/werewolf/whatever without telling anyone, and by default, anything you do, until your presence and situation are revealed, makes the progenitor vampire/werewolf/whatever look bad.

Except this is a world with HUNDREDS of different monsters. If a new idiotic on is introduced what difference does it make?

So the fact that snuggly tentacles formed a tv and wide-screened the DJ callan getting chummy with the Beast is dumb, just means that everyone with any ability to investigate will think the Beast is dumb, because for all functional purposes the Beast implicated himself on his own widescreen television.

The question is what goes on your mind when we see this?

"WTF king with snuggles? Whatever." Unless their already close to the king any of thier investigation will lead knowere!

[Coidzor]

In this instance, without our honesty we're letting Mookie take the wrap for something that really isn't his fault.

Whoa. Let's not be too hasty now. He did choose to go with it, after all.

A big problem is that a lot of the wronger elements of DD blur the line - half the cast being based on Mookie's RPG characters, the origin of Lynn's Brook and Facebath. And even though you pick up most of this stuff from the newsposts and the subsequent forum discussions you still feel like a creepy stalker about how you know way too much about someone who merely makes a webcomic.

Wait... which half?

[Trazoi]

Wait... which half?

You're making me feel bad about how much trivia I know about this webcomic...

Dominic Deegan and Nimmel Feenix are based on Mookie's D&D characters. I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think a lot of the early cast are based on the characters of friends (easiest example was Brom(?) the Axe Guy who disappeared pretty quickly). Snowsong is based off a City of Heroes character.

Admittedly that's only a handful that I know of, but given Dominic is among them that counts as at least half.

[Zaq]

Wait, there's more to Lynn's Brook than just a stupid pun? And more to Facebath than just raw stupidity spilled onto a page? I missed something.

[Castel]

You're making me feel bad about how much trivia I know about this webcomic...

Dominic Deegan and Nimmel Feenix are based on Mookie's D&D characters. I'm not 100% sure of this, but I think a lot of the early cast are based on the characters of friends (easiest example was Brom(?) the Axe Guy who disappeared pretty quickly). Snowsong is based off a City of Heroes character.

Admittedly that's only a handful that I know of, but given Dominic is among them that counts as at least half.

...Axe guy actually had a name? He did! I can't believe we never really learn what happens to him...