Class and Level Geekery VIII (spoilers ahoy!)

[Debatra]

Also, why doesn't REdcloak sill not have his spells listed?

Probably because he's a Cleric. His Domains are listed.

[Sriad]

Xykon's minimum (net) Spellcraft is 39, because casting Superb Dispelling requires a DC 59 check.

49+ is much more likely so he can reliably cast it in combat. This won't have an effect on his level because it's pretty easy to boost skills with synergy, stats, competence items, etc, but should probably be noted since it's 15 higher than what's currently listed.

[Flame of Anor]

If we're including silly jokes, V has rescale graph on his/her spell list.

[Douglas]

If we're including silly jokes, V has rescale graph on his/her spell list.

I'd rather not include that one. Too far out of canon while being an insanely specific joke spell.

[Flame of Anor]

I'd rather not include that one. Too far out of canon while being an insanely specific joke spell.

I know, I don't really want to include it either. I'm just obliquely poking fun at some of the things that are included.

[ti'esar]

One problem with Urd explanation is that they were never updated to 3.0/5 and in the Ootsverse, there is a location where all such creatures gathered. That location has been destroyed a little over a year ago in-comic but I don't think thats long enough for Kilkil to travel all the way over to EoB and get what seems to be a rather high ranking position.

Actually, I thought urds were updated in a non-core book (Fiend Folio maybe)?

[Flame of Anor]

Actually, I thought urds were updated in a non-core book (Fiend Folio maybe)?

Even if not, the relevant comic never says all non-updated creatures are in the pit. Just that all that are in the pit are non-updated, and that all non-updated monsters are controlled by the Talisman.

[Da'Shain]

Xykon's DEX score is missing from his entry. Not that I think we have much relevant information there, but just thought I'd point it out.

Also, I seem to remember that this was asked in the previous threads and can't remember why it wasn't passed: can we make an entry with what we know of the Ancient Black Dragon Mother? I figure if Julia and Samantha rate entries, she definitely does.

[Fitzclowningham]

Can anyone think of a reason that Belkar is listed as having "taken at least three levels of barbarian" in the OotS Wikipedia Page?

[Debatra]

Julia was said to be 16 (panel 7) at least a year ago (panel 2).

[Yendor]

This gives an upper limit of 17 for Roy's Charisma (and technically for the other three, but we already know theirs is crap).

[Gift Jeraff]

I feel like I'm missing something completely obvious, but where did we get that Roy was exactly level 13 before he died?

[Illven]

This gives an upper limit of 17 for Roy's Charisma (and technically for the other three, but we already know theirs is crap).

Well that also tells us Haley's is no more than 17.

[thereaper]

Unless she increased it, but that is unlikely.

[MesiDoomstalker]

In this strip (panel 4 right before he unveils Implosion) we see Redcloak has a Deflection bonus somehow. Ring of Protection is most likely but I'm sure there are other ways for a high level Cleric to have a deflection bonus. Any ideas on how?

[SavageWombat]

In this strip (panel 4 right before he unveils Implosion) we see Redcloak has a Deflection bonus somehow. Ring of Protection is most likely but I'm sure there are other ways for a high level Cleric to have a deflection bonus. Any ideas on how?

Entropic Shield, I'll bet.

[Flame of Anor]

Entropic Shield, I'll bet.

Is a Lawful cleric likely to cast such a Chaotic spell?

[Kurald Galain]

Fixed link for Roy's sextant and book, added limit to Roy/Haley's charisma.

Would Yokyok's speech here imply that he's Good ("I normally would not stoop to travel with such scoundrels" "I am pure righteous justice") if not Lawful ("I am pure righteous justice here to deliver the right punishment") or at the very least Not Evil?

Maybe. However, alignment is a big can of worms: players traditionally disagree (strongly) about what the nine alignments mean. If you were to start a thread about your favorite movie character and asked his alignment, you would get at least three different responses; and on OOTS, we've had frequent threads claiming that Belkar and Thog weren't evil. So for alignment issues, we do need an explicit statement.

Well, i think its final that thog is dead.
any disagreements?

It's mentioned in-comic that they aren't sure he's dead. So yes, there is disagreement on this.

Xykon's DEX score is missing from his entry.

No, it's omitted because we know nothing about his dex.

Also, I seem to remember that this was asked in the previous threads and can't remember why it wasn't passed: can we make an entry with what we know of the Ancient Black Dragon Mother?

It wasn't "passed" because the dragon ranks very low on the "number of character appearances" thread. Julia is listed because she's a direct relative of the main character; Samantha is there because of the grandfather clause, and shouldn't be seen as a standard for entry.

Is a Lawful cleric likely to cast such a Chaotic spell?

It doesn't have the "chaos" descriptor, so I don't see why not.

Speaking of Redcloak, I do agree that we should list any spells he uses that aren't on the cleric list (such as Unseal). He probably has those from researching them, since we know clerics can research spells.

[ti'esar]

Maybe. However, alignment is a big can of worms: players traditionally disagree (strongly) about what the nine alignments mean. If you were to start a thread about your favorite movie character and asked his alignment, you would get at least three different responses; and on OOTS, we've had frequent threads claiming that Belkar and Thog weren't evil. So for alignment issues, we do need an explicit statement.

Wait a minute - I thought it was explicitly stated that Yokyok was Lawful Good, as the "evil" opposite to CE Belkar. I actually remember it being debated in another thread whether he acted LG, with myself and others arguing that it would be ridiculous were he not essentially a joke character, and no one on either side pointed out that he had never actually had his alignment stated.

[Kurald Galain]

Wait a minute - I thought it was explicitly stated that Yokyok was Lawful Good,

Then please point out where.

[ti'esar]

I'm not sure where, exactly, but I've always seen it treated as a fact. If it's not, I'm very curious as to where it came from.

EDIT: It's not mentioned anywhere in the online strips.

[Kish]

Rich described Yokyok as the odd man out, alignment-wise, on his team, and said that while Belkar was despicable in the company of heroes, Yokyok was noble in the company of villains.

Is a Lawful cleric likely to cast such a Chaotic spell?

Huh? It's no more "Chaotic" than Disintegrate, which we know Redcloak casts all the time.

[Gullintanni]

Xykon's minimum (net) Spellcraft is 39, because casting Superb Dispelling requires a DC 59 check.

49+ is much more likely so he can reliably cast it in combat. This won't have an effect on his level because it's pretty easy to boost skills with synergy, stats, competence items, etc, but should probably be noted since it's 15 higher than what's currently listed.

Aye, a minimum 39 modifier is a necessity here.

[SavageWombat]

Is a Lawful cleric likely to cast such a Chaotic spell?

It's not an inherently Chaotic spell - doesn't have the descriptor. It's more common to Chaotic clerics, since I believe it's in the Chaos domain, but it's not barred to Redcloak.

[MesiDoomstalker]

Entropic Shield, I'll bet.

How in the world could I have forgotten the 1st level spell used to creaet Rings of Protection is on the Cleric list? HOW!?!? /feels like a dumby.

[Debatra]

Is a Lawful cleric likely to cast such a Chaotic spell?

It's not a Chaotic spell.

That said, it provides a miss chance, not a deflection bonus. Shield of Faith is more likely. (+4 Deflection Bonus at 17th-level; +5 at 18th if he has any Caster Level-increasing abilities)

It's not an inherently Chaotic spell - doesn't have the descriptor. It's more common to Chaotic clerics, since I believe it's in the Chaos domain, but it's not barred to Redcloak.

Clr 1, Luck 1.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/entropicShield.htm

[Gullintanni]

Entropic Shield, I'll bet.

As stated, Law or Chaos isn't really an issue. RC can cast Entropic Shield. This is the best contender for why the spell in question is not Entropic Shield:

From SRD:

A magical field appears around you, glowing with a chaotic blast of multicolored hues.

Empasis added. RC isn't colourful enough to have cast Entropic Shield.

EDIT: Shield of Faith makes a lot of sense though.

[Debatra]

As stated, Law or Chaos isn't really an issue. RC can cast Entropic Shield. This is the best contender for why the spell in question is not Entropic Shield:

From SRD:

A magical field appears around you, glowing with a chaotic blast of multicolored hues.

Empasis added. RC isn't colourful enough to have cast Entropic Shield.

EDIT: Shield of Faith makes a lot of sense though.

You mean aside from the fact that it doesn't even provide a deflection bonus?

[Gullintanni]

You mean aside from the fact that it doesn't even provide a deflection bonus?

Entropic Shield

From SRD:

A magical field appears around you, glowing with a chaotic blast of multicolored hues. This field deflects incoming arrows, rays, and other ranged attacks. Each ranged attack directed at you for which the attacker must make an attack roll has a 20% miss chance (similar to the effects of concealment). Other attacks that simply work at a distance are not affected.

Emphasis added again. It's flat out stated that Entropic Shield deflects arrows despite not providing a deflection bonus.

The stronger case, IMHO, is that since Redcloak is not swimming in all the colours of the rainbow, which would be a pretty obvious indicator of which spell was active, then he's not under the effect of an Entropic Shield.

[Flame of Anor]

It doesn't have the "chaos" descriptor, so I don't see why not.

Huh? It's no more "Chaotic" than Disintegrate, which we know Redcloak casts all the time.

It's not an inherently Chaotic spell - doesn't have the descriptor.

It's not a Chaotic spell.]

I retract my comment. Four times.