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2012-02-12, 05:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
Crushing Finesse
Prerequisites: Power Attack, Weapon Finesse, BAB +6
Benefit: When wielding a one or two handed melee weapon that can be used in conjunction with Weapon Finesse, you may apply your dexterity and strength modifier to damage.
Normal: You may only apply your strength modifier to damage.
Special: A fighter may select Crushing Finesse as one of his fighter bonus feats.Last edited by shaddy_24; 2012-02-12 at 06:01 PM.
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2012-02-12, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
This is essentially Shadow Blade with different, somewhat harsher pre-reqs and less limited application. I don't see a problem.
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2012-02-12, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
Power Attack requires 13 Strength, so this feat doesn't let you completely dump Strength like Shadow Blade does. Which I like. The +6 BAB also means that a pure rogue continues to be awful in non-SA combat situations until 9th level, which is good.
I can see this feat being as staple on a Champion of Corellon Laetherian as Knowledge Devotion is on a duskblade. All in all, extra damage that exceeds Weapon Specialization for a feat is good.
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2012-02-12, 08:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
Correction; extra damage that exceeds Weapon Specialization for a feat is acceptable.
I think I'd drop the BAB requirement to +4 (maybe +2), but I do tend to like better feats than standard: for example, my current houserule list includes basically this feat with no prerequisites as a replacement for Weapon Finesse, with 3.5's Weapon Finesse an option anyone can do.Last edited by Siosilvar; 2012-02-12 at 08:06 PM.
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2012-02-13, 09:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
In my opinion, this feat is a bit on the weak side. Dex based characters already need to spend feats to get what Strength based ones get for free, lets not aggravate that fact .
If you look at the net result of this feat, compared to its prerequisites, it only gives a few extra points of damage. I'd suggest altering the prereqs accordingly.
One thing you can do is lower or remove the BAB requirement as that only makes sure the little bonus damage you get from this feat only comes into play on a level where it matters less.
Also I would consider removing the Power Attack requirement, as characters who use Weapon Finesse have little chance to use Power Attack to any useful degree. Only players who manage to find the few two-handed finessable weapons from some splatbook will use that combo to its fullest, and even then they are still forced to have an above average Strength score (negating some of the use of Weapon Focus).
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2012-02-13, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-02-13, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
How about removing Power Attack and instead simply requiring Str 13? I want to keep some restriction on this feat that requires someone to be both strong and dexterous, where you're stacking the bonuses rather than simply replacing them. Setting it to BAB +4 makes it available to 6th level rogues, which works considering most rogues that want weapon finesse will have to grab it as their level 3 feat. Fighters who choose to specialize in dexterity can grab it with their level 4 fighter bonus feat.
The character I'm designing this for actually does use an Elvan Courtblade, so he's got power attack as well.Last edited by shaddy_24; 2012-02-13 at 01:04 PM.
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2012-02-16, 06:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
It strikes me that you should probably specify that this does not stack with Shadow Blade.
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2012-02-16, 08:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Crushing Finesse [3.5, Feat, PEACH]
The only weapon you can even use this with that benefits from Shadow Blade is the spiked chain. "One or two handed melee weapon" cuts out all of the light weapons that are Shadow Hand-preferred. I don't think it's an issue, since you'd need to take 4 feats to get Dex to damage twice as it stands. Even with the prereqs cut, it's not overpowering.
Last edited by Siosilvar; 2012-02-16 at 08:26 PM.
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2012-02-17, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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