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2012-03-07, 05:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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True subjective view
#843 panel 2 shows something unusual: a true subjective view from V's perspective.
Can anyone think of another example of this used in OotS? It is the only non-4th wall perspective I can think of.
We get to peer over Belkar's head in his Animal Empathy induced flashback (#807), but even that is not a true eyeball perspective of an actual character.
Kudos to the Giant. I like how it induces a sudden sense of claustrophobia and/or being surrounded. And then he snaps us back. Very effective.Last edited by Snails; 2012-03-08 at 12:26 PM.
I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
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2012-03-07, 05:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-07, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: True subjective view
Yes, I also felt that sense of claustrophobia and being surrounded at that panel. It was nicely effective. That, or we two are weird.
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2012-03-07, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: True subjective view
This is fairly close, but it's not really a subjective view.
>>softly open our mouths in the cold
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2012-03-07, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think I've ever done it before, because in a series where characters sometimes break the Fourth Wall, it can easily be misinterpreted as addressing the reader (which I have done). What I usually do instead is include the top or side of the P.O.V. character's head to reinforce it, but that didn't really get the feeling of being cornered that I thought was necessary to explain V's reaction. I just took a chance that the current serious subject matter would cause the reader to instinctively discount the idea of a meta-gag.
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2012-03-07, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: True subjective view
The next to last panel here:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0759.html
Flashback, but seen through Elan's eyes, possibly..
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2012-03-07, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Also, imaginary Roy, as seen through Elan's eyes.
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0388.html.
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2012-03-07, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Roy in Elan's mind's-eye one I agree with, yeah, but I think the flashback is just a general view. Otherwise Haley would be looking at the "camera" for lack of a better word.
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>>softly open our mouths in the cold
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2012-03-08, 05:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I saw that, too. I actually thought it was an artwork policy or established style or something to always show everything left-right. There's an example above looking over the characters' heads, but this was definitely the first first-person view ever.
It would be great to see a whole comic drawn from first-person view. Whoever got the Kickstarter bonus should have asked for that instead of the CPPD.
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2012-03-08, 05:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, while we're at it here's Xykon with a unique look. Xykon only has "fierce (normal)" eyes, "surprised" eyes and "closed" eyes. In this comic, he shows "sad" eyes for the only time.
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2012-03-08, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: True subjective view
I don't think we have ever seen Roy's back with his greatsword strapped on as in panel 1 of #843.
Lots of new art in this one.
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2012-03-08, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-08, 10:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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I also think he only uses this "embarrassed" expression in the linked strip.
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2012-03-08, 10:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-08, 11:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-09, 12:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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What's up with that, anyway? Right before Soon smites him, it looks like he's going for a downward movement. But then it looks like he sort of... stabbed... through Xykon's skull or something.
Back on topic, though, yeah, I noticed the POV shot as well. Great job, Giant, this was one of the best-done comics in a while. Can't wait until #844! (And 845, and 846, and...)
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2012-03-09, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: True subjective view
Xykon's actual sad eyes are here. He's joking, of course.
I'd say that was a good bet.
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2012-03-09, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-09, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Like in My Little Pony when Pinkie Pie's talking to the camera and everyone gets angry at her because she's breaking the fourth wall even though she's just talking to Twilight Sparkle and we're seeing through her eyes.
...what?>>softly open our mouths in the cold
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2012-03-09, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, I think I just found another subjective view, also from the point of view of Vaarsuvius, also when (s)he's under high stress, and also evoking a feeling of being cornered.
#634, when the Directors are making the final part of their pitch, and just before V speaks the fateful four words and accepts the accursed bargain.
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2012-03-09, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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We also see Xykon's sad eyes long before that, in #190.
The above post probably made more sense in my head.
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2012-03-09, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Whoa! Another nice catch!
Yaknow, one of the things I like most about Xykon (as well as Rich Burlew's method of drawing him) is how he can be so awesome with only a couple of facial expressions. If it ain't broke, don't fix it! I admire artists who intentionally set limits on their expression.
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2012-03-09, 04:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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SoD. (A few spoilers here)
SpoilerXykon has just arrived back after finding the location of Dorukans gate, and RC has just busted MitD out of the circus with Right-Eye. When Right-Eye refuses to work for Xykon again, Xykon tells him that he knows only two types of goblins - 'those who work for him, and those whose organs are distressingly... external.' We see a non-4th perspective from Right-Eyes view here, looking at Xykon, with his kids and wife in the background.
AND when MitD is presented on stage, we're seeing it from his eyes.
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2012-03-10, 08:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-10, 02:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, it certainly worked, and the fact that we've seen it so few times before just made it have that much more impact (even if that's not the reason it's seldom used).
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2012-03-21, 04:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also, where the small devil looks at the cards two strips earlier #632
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2012-03-21, 08:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Wait...if these panel are all subjective view, wouldn't that means there is meant to be a parallel between the 3 fiends and Roy and Elan? But Roy is Good isn't he? And Elan isn't evil either. So what could it be? Hard to think the 3 fiends are good, but it's possible.
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2012-03-21, 08:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-21, 08:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can think of a couple, but they're more "see what the character is seeing" in the literal sense than a stylistic choice.
First, Haley spotting a ridiculously trapped door in Snips, Snails, and Dragon Tales.
And of course, See what the Mind Flayer is thinking!
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2012-03-21, 11:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would add that I give extra points because it was not logically necessary. The dialogue in panel #2 could have been put in panel #1. The look in V's eyes in #1 adequately telegraphed the possible reaction of V in panel #3. Panel #2 could have simply been left out.
In some of these other rare examples of a true subjective view, the story sort of suggested that view to tell the tale. Much less true here. It was an artistic choice that added a nice emphasis and enhanced the pacing.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!