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2012-03-30, 11:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Kender:
I've actually seen people fill out form such that it reads
Sex? : Yes, please. Lots.
So, yeah, I daresay leaving it open does indeed cause problems.
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2012-03-30, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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This post is pretty much irrelevant because we don't have much in the kitchen.
Hi Wormwood,
Welcome to the thread! Help yourself to anything in the kitchen. Ignore the giant rampaging llamazilla!
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2012-03-30, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-30, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I asked over on Queer Feminism - Avory Faucette is gender queer - what ze would prefer. Ze said Male/Female/Other (please specify) was fine and understood that leaving a blank space would mean trouble when time came to put together the data...
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2012-03-30, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Welcome, welcome!
Let me just go catch a couple of cockney orphans to sing "Consider Yourself"
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2012-03-30, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think it would actually be a good idea to file any strange answers you get on those forms, it could show patterns in human behaviour that might key us in to how to make people take forms seriously.
That's just my two Kobold copper pieces, though. I am far from a scientist. ^_^'
Do think that someone who would answer like that is unrealiable to answer truly on anything else either way, though. :3
But on to the important stuff!
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2012-03-30, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Asking for gender is a minor thing that really only happens because the journals demand it. At least in my field. So I'd rather keep it as simple as possible.
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2012-03-30, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
We are in the same/similar field (pharmacology/pharmacy) and it's not only because the journal demands it. It's also because many drugs need different doses or don't work as well for females and males. Although most of my experience is in stability studies I know people working in the clinical side (and I hope to end up there too) and there testing the difference in males and females is huge.
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2012-03-30, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think with these job applications it has something to do with equality stuff - it's always somewhere near the "this business is an equal opportunity employer" statement thingy.
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2012-03-30, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Replies to posts from the previous thread:
Reminds me of that Bellman joke* in which Bellman and two other guys tell about how horrible their childhoods were.
*Swedish humour. In this case built around the bard and poet Carl Michael Bellman from 18th century Stockholm.
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2012-03-30, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
*Glomps* Hi there!
No, it means you're pessimistically hoping you're wrong about pessimistically expecting to be wrong. They negate to optimism, though.
'Course, you also seem to be pessimistically tired of pessimistically hoping that your pessimistic expectations are incorrect - it's a bit confusing at that stage.
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2012-03-30, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-30, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Welcome here, Wormwood!
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2012-03-30, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
So like the Four Yorkshiremen Sketch?
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2012-03-30, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-30, 01:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pretty much pure selfish curiosity, but I'd be really interested to see before and after shots of that. I've been really impressed with some trans transformations* recently, and I'd be curious to know what direct surgery can accomplish.
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2012-03-30, 01:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Welcome! There is coffee somewhere. Somebody has cookies. I really should find these rumored-of refreshments. I missed breakfast.
We do indeed! You should post pictures. Though possibly not immediately after surgery because most people don't look their best right after surgery.Jude P.
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2012-03-30, 01:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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No indeed. As an example, I really wish they'd show some face transplant pictures from well after the healing's all done...
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2012-03-30, 01:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Hi.
Good luck with the surgery and everything!
You can probably find quite a few online, considering the large number of transition timelines that drift out there.
Also asking for before / after pictures might be a teensy bit insensitive...
@Kender: Natalie reposted an article she wrote a while back on gendering certain products and activities which I think you might find interesting if you haven't read it yet.Last edited by Astrella; 2012-03-30 at 01:31 PM.
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2012-03-30, 01:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
That's true, if it's something simple (loads of forms can't possibly need it that badly - like surveys, they just want it for statistics) they can just lump all the "other"s into a group on the pie chart. Or if, say, half of all people who ticked "other" wrote "genderqueer" they could make it a group.
Yeah, it would be interesting to see what people wrote down, but if they said their gender was toast, they're probably not putting (the right kind of) thought into their other answers either!
Yep, it's often used to make sure the interview process isn't biased one way or another. Like if you had 60% men and 40% women apply for a job, but 90% of jobs went to women, there's something weird happening along the way.
For pharmacy and stuff, it is important to have that kind of data. For example, some drugs are dangerous to people who might become pregnant, which includes no biological males. But it still doesn't work because then trans people have to either put the wrong thing on the form (ie their biological sex when it asks for gender) or, depending on where they are in a transition process, might end up with the wrong dose, or counted in the wrong survey group.
So, maybe for surveys and such it should be
( ) Male
( ) Female
( ) Other _____________
and for medical things, or things that are for studies involving chromosomes, hormones, etc, it should be
( ) Biologically Male
( ) Bioogically Female
( ) Transsexual Male to Female
( ) Transsexual Female to Male
or some variant? Then genderqueer etc people would answer on their biological sex and trans people would be included correctly. (Not perfectly, since everyone's different and particularly since people would be at different stages in transition, or choosing different paths for transition, etc, but at least they could be accounted for. And if it's for giving them a drug or something the doctor would know to check.)
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2012-03-30, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think the issue here is that there's no established other options to necessitate the blank, and if there were, they'd just necessitate their own line. That, and equal opportunity laws would have to be updated massively with their current focus on physical sex if instead it's being asked about gender identity. Being genderqueer does not change one's physical sex, and stuff like that would necessitate an overhaul of most things in general. What people usually think of when Transsexuals are brought up are basically kludged into the system depending upon where they are in the transition process and how nice of an area they're in, after all.
I very much doubt that someone seriously looking to get a job would put something vulgar on a job application though. Generally a good way to get it tossed, I'd imagine. Which would leave people who identify as gender**** in a bit of a lurch, but frankly I hate that term anyway and it'd need to be changed to a new one to get official-like anyway.
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2012-03-30, 01:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-30, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-30, 02:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Hi, welcome, and good luck!
I don't believe this Kender. I'm honestly ashamed. I know the toastuals are less mainstream, but they have as much right to exist as the rest of us.
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2012-03-30, 02:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
KenderWizard, are there any pictures of you floating around? Or do cameras don't capture half-Sidhe?
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2012-03-30, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
So Re: Voice group, do those interested want to do it at a fixed time or go with more of a "oh, we have several people online, let's go."?
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2012-03-30, 02:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-30, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Transphobic game: Cistem Shock
Transaction (n): Action movie with a trans hero
Tranaphylactic shock (n) – the reaction of a transphobe after ze finds out ze has had sex with a trans person.
Transmission (n): Important job to do for the trans movementAvatar by CoffeeIncluded
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2012-03-30, 03:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-30, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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Transformers: A kinda of mecha-transexual who can turn into a vehicle, or sometimes a dinosaur :B
edit: Translocation: where a trans person is.Last edited by Serpentine; 2012-03-30 at 03:11 PM.
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