LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?

[Lea Plath]

Are you sure they might not be bisexual and teases? From the sound of things, that sounds likely.

Anyway, Britian is apparently the most LGBT friendly place in Europe/russia, which is why I was asking how it compared with America.

[Nix Nihila]

Are you sure they might not be bisexual and teases? From the sound of things, that sounds likely.

Anyway, Britian is apparently the most LGBT friendly place in Europe/russia, which is why I was asking how it compared with America.

The thing about the US is that it varies a lot depending on what state and county you live in and were born in. You can't really think of the US as one region in terms of LGBT rights. For example, in the state I live in, it's illegal for someone to deny me a job based on my gender identity, but in many other states there's no legal protection for transgender people. Gay rights are in a similar position.

As for how friendly the people are? Again, that varies quite a lot. I'm comfortable being openly trans where I live, but there are a lot of places where I wouldn't be, and might worry for my safety (that's not to say that my safety isn't a concern now, I'm just not in a place where it always has to be at the forefront of my mind).

[Triscuitable]

I don't like all this resentment towards barsexuals. I myself am barsexual, and am only attracted to bars, pubs, and minifridges. :3

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As I am pansexual, finding pans, pots, and other kitched appliances to be damn smexy.

On the subject of the UK rights, apparently it was a criminal offense to have sexual relations with another man, as a man. For women? Bah! Clearly that's sexy, not evil!

But really, that's kind of... Disturbing.

[Astrella]

As I am pansexual, finding pans, pots, and other kitched appliances to be damn smexy.

On the subject of the UK rights, apparently it was a criminal offense to have sexual relations with another man, as a man. For women? Bah! Clearly that's sexy, not evil!

But really, that's kind of... Disturbing.

That probably has more to do with women's sexuality just not being considered existing.

[Qaera]

What's a women sexuality?

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[Triscuitable]

What's a women sexuality?

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That's a thing?

[Mono Vertigo]

What's a women sexuality?

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*shrugs* No clue.

[noparlpf]

The Avengers was the best of the Marvel movies yet. Damn was that good. Also I'm with Kender on shipping Thor and Loki. Some of the moments they had in that movie, they looked really hot together.
My favorite of the characters is Tony Stark as played by Downey, though.
And I don't get the hype on Scarlett Johansen the internet is making. She's not particularly attractive (in my opinion), and her character is too meh/too reinforcing of gender stereotypes. I mean, her "superpower" is being seductive/manipulative.

[KenderWizard]

The Avengers was the best of the Marvel movies yet. Damn was that good. Also I'm with Kender on shipping Thor and Loki. Some of the moments they had in that movie, they looked really hot together.
My favorite of the characters is Tony Stark as played by Downey, though.
And I don't get the hype on Scarlett Johansen the internet is making. She's not particularly attractive (in my opinion), and her character is too meh/too reinforcing of gender stereotypes. I mean, her "superpower" is being seductive/manipulative.

Eeeeeee!

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To address your other points; RDJ's Stark is a tour de force. He manages the overwhelming arrogance without coming off as unlikable.

I've had some troubles with Black Widow. It seems comic books and comic book movies have a huge problem making women awesome and hot without making them super-sexualised. (See also: rest of world.) I had misgivings about her super-lying-powers.

On the other hand, DAYUM. Ahem. I find it hard to argue against Scarlett Johansson in a catsuit, so there's that. I'm glad she was lying as opposed to actually emotionally vulnerable, in both cases. I think things were greatly helped by a few things: that she was extremely competent in a fight, that she saved Hawkeye by physically taking him down, that there was no explicit "Pair the girl off!" romance (although there were Tasha/Clint hints, frankly, they were less obvious than the presumably unintentional Thor/Loki ones ). Really, on the scale of superhero, comic or action movies, she's a pretty strong character.

[Rawhide]

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[KenderWizard]

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I love that! That's the traditional boobs-and-butt pose, struck by females, usually in comics, when the artist/photographer couldn't choose. There are some really ridiculous examples in comics, since anatomy obviously comes in way behind sex appeal. You know, for people who are really into contortionists and/or women with broken spines? At least Black Widow's is humanly possible (since she is actually a human).

[Serpentine]

Yeah, I think given the subject matter, film type and original source, the crew on the Avengers movie did a pretty reasonable job on female characters. I'm not saying it was an objectively good movie for female characters, but within the rather restrictive confines it wasn't too bad. It was no GI Joe, for instance...

I genuinely time my bathroom breaks in the cinema when watching Avengers to when I know Thor won't be on screen for 90 seconds. (I can run to the bathroom, use it, and back in about 60 seconds, but WHAT IF I TRIP AND MISS SOME THOR?!)

Did you know there's a website just for the best times for a loo break during a movie?
Here you go.

I also don't like when people talk down "barsexuals" because it's pretty slut-shaming. Women (much like any other class of people) are allowed do what they like (as and with consenting adults), with or without other women, with or without "real" attraction, and with or without "ulterior motives". It's all cool.

Indeed!

Also, if Thor and Loki made out at a bar to attract the attention of women, I have to say, empirically, it would be EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, based on my sample size of one.

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[Triscuitable]

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I dunno, that one for Iron Man?

But this is the one time I'd avoid Thor. Not exactly liking that squat.

[H Birchgrove]

I like that Black Widow seems to give the "Guys? What the heck are are you doing?" look in the lower image.

I'm considering another name change.

I had a talk with my mum last night about gender and feelings and names and such, and she doesn't like the name that I've chosen. As the whole reason I chose it is that it's a derivative of the name I'd have had if I'd been born a girl, and I don't want to feel like I'm rejecting my parents by rejecting their name, this is something I'm taking seriously. She pointed out that there's no way I'm going to get the extended family calling me by it, as it's such a complete change from my birth name. She offered an alternative, derivative of my birth name, and I'd be happy to use it. The trouble is, if I change again, less than three months after starting trying to get people to call me by a different name, am I going to come across as ridiculously fickle? And are people going to give up in disgust, if I can't even make up my mind what to call myself?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I say, try as many names as you want until you find one you like.

I like the suggestion that you should say "This is the name mother picked for me".

Is it bad that I ended up hating all of the actors in the movie because they look nothing like the mythological characters (Sif is blonde, Thor's a redhead, etc)?

They addressed that in the comic books, by making the mythological Norse gods (red-headed Thor etc) a previous reincarnation of the Asgardians (blonde Thor etc).

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If a hypothetical lady at my age contacted me on a dating site and said on PM or chat "I want to take French lessons with you", I think I would jump at the chance.

But when a guy does that, all kinds of warning signals are making noises inside me. *le sigh*

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So... Some cisgender guys have a kink of getting dressed up in lady clothes (usually a "French maid" uniform) by a lady, for the purpose of getting humiliated. Some times they want the lady to insult them with female-gendered insults.

I'm not judging them. If they enjoy that, good for them!

The thing is... I can see myself dressed up in "typical" lady clothes by another lady. Especially if I could be dressed so I would pass. But I wouldn't see that as humiliating. If she would get turned on by hurling insults at me, I might allow her, but that wouldn't turn me on.

I'm not sure what to think about this.

PS. Saw a guy dressed in a pink skirt and tights/longjohns (the latter with camouflage patterns) at the bus station two-three weeks ago. I almost told him that he looked good/cute in that skirt, but I wasn't sure he would take it...

So I didn't. Just one more thing I'm regretting.

[supernerd]

@ Rawhide & Serpentine: I had a conversation with a friend about how you can tell when at certain moments you can just feel all the fan fics that will be written about that moment.

In other news: went to the Starkid Apocalyptour, and at the meet and greet I got to put my arm around the waist of several attractive men (and women, but I can't really tell if they are attractive). That was really fun, and I had some pretty creepy moments, but there have probably been people that have done worse. Basically I felt the abs of Joe Walker from the side as my arm was around his waist, and then commented on there firmness even when he wasn't flexing. His abs are famous among Starkids. That and I called one guy(Joey Richter) hot, as in we all got a hug and as I came away from mine I said, "you're so hot!" he was really cool about it though. And he was like "hey," in a what-are-you-thinking way and then he say my ****-did-I-just-say-that face and genuinely said, "Thanks bud," and poked my nose (well it was more of a downward flick type thing but poke is the closest word)

And I saw the Avengers this evening.

[SiuiS]

Aw, that's a shame! Make sure you're sitting down, since I know this one's a shocker, but the Marvel movies are not trying for an accurate representation of Norse mythology! They're going for fun, mostly, and accuracy towards the comics (Thor is blonde and Sif has long black hair in the comics, so you could blame the comic artists rather than the actors at least! ). I don't mean to say you have to like them, or that that opinion isn't valid, you're free to be annoyed about whatever you choose, it's just not something that bothers me!

*falls over*

Ach! Should have sat >>;

I also don't like when people talk down "barsexuals" because it's pretty slut-shaming. Women (much like any other class of people) are allowed do what they like (as and with consenting adults), with or without other women, with or without "real" attraction, and with or without "ulterior motives". It's all cool.

Also, one time, my partner got really drunk and kissed another dude, and it was kinda hot. And ridiculous.

While I disagree with Triacuitable's presentation, perhaps more strongly than Nix (though much less coherently), I think what he is getting at is that duplicity of any nature sours the whole thing for him.

Also, if Thor and Loki made out at a bar to attract the attention of women, I have to say, empirically, it would be EXTREMELY SUCCESSFUL, based on my sample size of one.

I don't know. I mean, I can kinda see it but their features, they don't look good together at all.

As I am pansexual, finding pans, pots, and other kitched appliances to be damn smexy.

On the subject of the UK rights, apparently it was a criminal offense to have sexual relations with another man, as a man. For women? Bah! Clearly that's sexy, not evil!

But really, that's kind of... Disturbing.

Happens here in the states too. The majority of the country has laws against non-missionary/non-heteronormative sexual acts. But they can't really be enforced, so most people ignore them.

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... Huh guess I've been corrected. That's... 3 now I think, KW.

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It's like watching me make out with myself o__O

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If a hypothetical lady at my age contacted me on a dating site and said on PM or chat "I want to take French lessons with you", I think I would jump at the chance.

But when a guy does that, all kinds of warning signals are making noises inside me. *le sigh*

Whyso?

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So... Some cisgender guys have a kink of getting dressed up in lady clothes (usually a "French maid" uniform) by a lady, for the purpose of getting humiliated. Some times they want the lady to insult them with female-gendered insults.

I'm not judging them. If they enjoy that, good for them!

The thing is... I can see myself dressed up in "typical" lady clothes by another lady. Especially if I could be dressed so I would pass. But I wouldn't see that as humiliating. If she would get turned on by hurling insults at me, I might allow her, but that wouldn't turn me on.

I'm not sure what to think about this.

PS. Saw a guy dressed in a pink skirt and tights/longjohns (the latter with camouflage patterns) at the bus station two-three weeks ago. I almost told him that he looked good/cute in that skirt, but I wasn't sure he would take it...

So I didn't. Just one more thing I'm regretting.

Hmm. Wanna comment but I'm not sure I can keep it forum safe. Alas.

In other news: went to the Starkid Apocalyptour, and at the meet and greet I got to put my arm around the waist of several attractive men (and women, but I can't really tell if they are attractive). That was really fun, and I had some pretty creepy moments, but there have probably been people that have done worse. Basically I felt the abs of Joe Walker from the side as my arm was around his waist, and then commented on there firmness even when he wasn't flexing. His abs are famous among Starkids. That and I called one guy(Joey Richter) hot, as in we all got a hug and as I came away from mine I said, "you're so hot!" he was really cool about it though. And he was like "hey," in a what-are-you-thinking way and then he say my ****-did-I-just-say-that face and genuinely said, "Thanks bud," and poked my nose (well it was more of a downward flick type thing but poke is the closest word)

And I saw the Avengers this evening.

Your super power is having adorable moments.

[Rawhide]

@ Rawhide & Serpentine:

Hey, don't bring me into the shipping/slash/fanfiction. My photo was just a commentary on the poses!

[KenderWizard]

Yeah, I think given the subject matter, film type and original source, the crew on the Avengers movie did a pretty reasonable job on female characters. I'm not saying it was an objectively good movie for female characters, but within the rather restrictive confines it wasn't too bad. It was no GI Joe, for instance...

Did you know there's a website just for the best times for a loo break during a movie?
Here you go.

Indeed!

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Oh. Oh my! Well here I am getting all flustered.

Also, agree with you about female characters and did not know about that website, that's so cool!

Hey, don't bring me into the shipping/slash/fanfiction. My photo was just a commentary on the poses!

I imagine that was supposed to be aimed at me!

[Mono Vertigo]

Oooh, shiny fanart. Makes my morning a little better.

Two friends of ours funded a small artistic nonprofit organization with the wife as the president. We had our first meeting Saturday night. In the group, there's their cis bi couple (well, only the husband is bi), one cis straight couple, one cis gay couple, and my couple (and they're all cool and crazy, the good kind of crazy). In my boyfriend's own words, we also make a very nice little LGBT organization.

[Lea Plath]

I honestly don't like Loki. He reminds me of Smegol too much for my liking.

But he does have style <3

[Arachu]

My hair's all smooth for some reason... I can't rub it against my face because I neglected to shave because I'm really tired of cleaning those blades all the freaking time but yay, softness~ :3

In other news: went to the Starkid Apocalyptour, and at the meet and greet I got to put my arm around the waist of several attractive men (and women, but I can't really tell if they are attractive). That was really fun, and I had some pretty creepy moments, but there have probably been people that have done worse. Basically I felt the abs of Joe Walker from the side as my arm was around his waist, and then commented on there firmness even when he wasn't flexing. His abs are famous among Starkids. That and I called one guy(Joey Richter) hot, as in we all got a hug and as I came away from mine I said, "you're so hot!" he was really cool about it though. And he was like "hey," in a what-are-you-thinking way and then he say my ****-did-I-just-say-that face and genuinely said, "Thanks bud," and poked my nose (well it was more of a downward flick type thing but poke is the closest word)

I have no idea who you're talking about, but *double high-five*!

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So... Some cisgender guys have a kink of getting dressed up in lady clothes (usually a "French maid" uniform) by a lady, for the purpose of getting humiliated. Some times they want the lady to insult them with female-gendered insults.

I'm not judging them. If they enjoy that, good for them!

The thing is... I can see myself dressed up in "typical" lady clothes by another lady. Especially if I could be dressed so I would pass. But I wouldn't see that as humiliating. If she would get turned on by hurling insults at me, I might allow her, but that wouldn't turn me on.

I'm not sure what to think about this.

PS. Saw a guy dressed in a pink skirt and tights/longjohns (the latter with camouflage patterns) at the bus station two-three weeks ago. I almost told him that he looked good/cute in that skirt, but I wasn't sure he would take it...

So I didn't. Just one more thing I'm regretting.

*Hugs*


~Bianca

[Lyesmith]

The UK is a pretty good place, I'd say. I think part of it is the very relaxed culture we have here - yes, there's debate on some issues etc. still, but when I contrast it with the stuff going on in the colonies it's so much more relaxed! Nobody really cares too much here, as a rule. Yeah, there are places I don't really feel comfortable doing PDA's with the fella, but they're few and far-between.

TL;DR? The Brits are too lazy to care. We're so jaded as a nation that nothing matters any more, we're just sat here waiting for the end and mainlining monkey dust.It's a satiric cartoon show, detailing a depressing and accurate take on Brit culture. Don't watch it all in one sitting, you might want to jump off something.

The legend of the "Two dudes in the nude is lewd, but two ladies doing something shady is gravy" is that dear old Queen Vic refused to believe lesbians existed, because she didn't get why people would do it.

[Castaras]

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oh my

[The Succubus]

That does it. In my next life I'm coming back as a a thunder god with long flowing blonde hair and muscles like tectonic plates.

[Lady Serpentine]

That does it. In my next life I'm coming back as a a thunder god with long flowing blonde hair and muscles like tectonic plates.

Remind me not to annoy you in this one, then...

Also, speaking of deities and tectonic plates, would those be what the God/Goddess of Earthquakes eats off of?

(*wonders if he'll get a post for Spreagadh and Elana soon*)

[noparlpf]

Happens here in the states too. The majority of the country has laws against non-missionary/non-heteronormative sexual acts. But they can't really be enforced, so most people ignore them.

I'm fairly certain that it's technically still illegal for the woman to be on top during intercourse in Massachusetts. That's one of those things you hear about early on in college.

[Lix Lorn]

I honestly don't like Loki. He reminds me of Smegol too much for my liking.

But he does have style <3

Style is everything.
Loki ~♥

[Mina Kobold]

Yeah, I think given the subject matter, film type and original source, the crew on the Avengers movie did a pretty reasonable job on female characters. I'm not saying it was an objectively good movie for female characters, but within the rather restrictive confines it wasn't too bad. It was no GI Joe, for instance... Did you know there's a website just for the best times for a loo break during a movie?
Here you go.
Indeed!
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Agreed on the Avengers doing a decent job, although it feels a bit weird when there are only two on the team who are not cisheteronormative fair-skinned white folks. They had a good reason not to include the other founding members from the comics, but still. ^_^'

And on those pictures, well, uhm... ADORABLE! X3

I must ship Tony Stark and Loki now, to Marvel! :Dramatic plush lightning:

Hey, don't bring me into the shipping/slash/fanfiction. My photo was just a commentary on the poses!

*Hides Rawhide/Serpentine fic*

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That does it. In my next life I'm coming back as a a thunder god with long flowing blonde hair and muscles like tectonic plates.

Can I come back as the superspy who has impossible acrobatics and martial arts skills? Possibly named after a spider? :3

[The Succubus]

*Hides Rawhide/Serpentine fic*

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Anyone else willing to pay a lot of money to see this fic?

[KenderWizard]

Oooh, shiny fanart. Makes my morning a little better.

Two friends of ours funded a small artistic nonprofit organization with the wife as the president. We had our first meeting Saturday night. In the group, there's their cis bi couple (well, only the husband is bi), one cis straight couple, one cis gay couple, and my couple (and they're all cool and crazy, the good kind of crazy). In my boyfriend's own words, we also make a very nice little LGBT organization.

Aw, that's so cool!

That does it. In my next life I'm coming back as a a thunder god with long flowing blonde hair and muscles like tectonic plates.

Well when you do, honey, look me up. I'll come back as a smooth-talking stylish trickster god.

Style is everything.
Loki ~♥

Seconded!

Agreed on the Avengers doing a decent job, although it feels a bit weird when there are only two on the team who are not cisheteronormative fair-skinned white folks. They had a good reason not to include the other founding members from the comics, but still. ^_^'

And on those pictures, well, uhm... ADORABLE! X3

I must ship Tony Stark and Loki now, to Marvel! :Dramatic plush lightning:



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The fans call it Rawserps. (In case anyone's wondering, the shorthand for Thor/Loki is Thorki.)

Yeah, they don't go in much for not-white or not-dude. Baby steps, I guess, but it's pretty frustrating. It's so hard to change in comics because they were written when no one even questioned the all-white all-dude thing. (This is not even getting into all-heteronormative, all-cis, all-gorgeous - I'm okay with that one - all-neurotypical, etc.) But if you try to redesign a character, entitled fans go insane. See: "Donald Glover for Spiderman!". (Choice quote: "THEY CAN'T TAKE SPIDERMAN AWAY FROM WHITE PEOPLE, HE'S ALL WE HAVE!!!")