The Hobbit Film... trilogy.

[Traab]

Problem is, I already own 2-3 versions of the books on audio. Dont think I can justify buying a 4th. :p I bought some version that was heavily padded in content, had a lot of details added in, like more of what went on with gollum when he went to barad dur and was captured. It wasnt BAD, but it wasnt as good in quality as the version we are talking about. I guess I just assumed, since im pretty sure they mention it was dadapted for radio, and had a british accented narrator and actor lineup that it was bbc.

[Turcano]

No, that's not the BBC radio version, which skipped from the Hobbits leaving the shire right to the Prancing Pony. (I know, I have the CDs, and have listened to it many times!)

Apparently, wiki says you are thinking of an earlier, even less well known radio drama often confused with the BBC version (but one apparently made in the US). (I have never heard of this particular version, personally.) It was apparently overshadowed by the BBC version which was released only a couple of years later. It is also the first adaption I've ever heard of that does apparently include old Tom.

He's thinking of The Mind's Eye version from 1979 that has John Vickery in it and was recorded in a bathroom (no, I'm not making that up).

[Dr.Epic]

Man, is anybody else excited for all the memes these films will generate? I mean, look at the first trilogy. We got, amongst many, how one does not simply walk into Mordor. I can't wait for all the new memes. I wonder if they're be better or worse than the old ones?

...and my axe!

[Traab]

Man, is anybody else excited for all the memes these films will generate? I mean, look at the first trilogy. We got, amongst many, how one does not simply walk into Mordor. I can't wait for all the new memes. I wonder if they're be better or worse than the old ones?

...and my axe!

Im guessing,

_______, thats what bilbo baggins hates!

Fill in the blank with whatever, pedos, derps, off topic discussions, just about anything.

[Dr.Epic]

Im guessing,

_______, thats what bilbo baggins hates!

Fill in the blank with whatever, pedos, derps, off topic discussions, just about anything.

Man, that's been a meme since the 70s when the animated version came out. I'm talking about new memes for a new generation.

[oblivion6]

"by my life or death, i will protect you." yet another great quote from aragorn.

also is there any news on a release date? i believe i heard something about the holidays.

[The Succubus]

I predict a new craze where large numbers of people will turn up on friends doorsteps one by one demanding cake.

[dehro]

I predict a new craze where large numbers of people will turn up on friends doorsteps one by one demanding cake.

if I had friends who would get the joke, I would totally organize just that

[Traab]

Its hard to say really, it depends on both the dialogue in the movie, as well as how its delivered. I bet "One does not simply walk into mordor" would have been noticeable if it hadnt been delivered so well. In all honesty, one of the exchanges I REALLY want to see is the bilbo/gollum meetup. I want to hear, "What... has it got... IN ITS POCKETSES!!!!!" screamed out through the dark cave as bilbo hides in terror. My audio version did it great, it sent chills down my spine and made ME want to hide till gollum was gone. Im also curious to see if the whole, "Old fat spider" taunting rhyming thing will be altered, because honestly, what the hell is an attercop, tomnoddy, lazy lob and crazy cob, etc etc etc. I know the meanings because I googled the hell out of them but none of those are words most people in america are going to know off the top of their head. You might as well have bilbo start speaking mandarin for all the sense it will make.

[Aotrs Commander]

what the hell is an attercop, tomnoddy, lazy lob and crazy cob, etc etc etc. I know the meanings because I googled the hell out of them but none of those are words most people in america are going to know off the top of their head.

They are sufficiently obscure (because Tolkien was, after all a linguist) that I wasn't originally aware they HAD a meaning other than nonsense words - Tolkien certainly wouldn't have expected the bulk of his readers (especially given the Hobbit was written more as a children's tale) to know what they meant. I suspect the only reason he used real words at all was for a bit of an in-joke to himself; as in the days before the Internet, I suspect you would have been fairly hard-pressed to find them in your average household dictionary.

Not everything always needs to be spelled out, nor should it be. The context provided was more than sufficient explanation "no spider has ever liked being called Attercop, and Tomnoddy of course is insulting to anybody." The true meaning of the words is sort of left to the reader's imagination unless they happen to look it up, whereupon they can have a good giggle at Tolkien being obscure.

[Aran nu tasar]

also is there any news on a release date? i believe i heard something about the holidays.

The first one will be released onn December 14, the second December 13 2013. And the third one sometime in the summer of 2014.

[Traab]

They are sufficiently obscure (because Tolkien was, after all a linguist) that I wasn't originally aware they HAD a meaning other than nonsense words - Tolkien certainly wouldn't have expected the bulk of his readers (especially given the Hobbit was written more as a children's tale) to know what they meant. I suspect the only reason he used real words at all was for a bit of an in-joke to himself; as in the days before the Internet, I suspect you would have been fairly hard-pressed to find them in your average household dictionary.

Not everything always needs to be spelled out, nor should it be. The context provided was more than sufficient explanation "no spider has ever liked being called Attercop, and Tomnoddy of course is insulting to anybody." The true meaning of the words is sort of left to the reader's imagination unless they happen to look it up, whereupon they can have a good giggle at Tolkien being obscure.

Ah, my apologies, as an american, I was unaware if those terms were like old slang in england, like "the bees knees" or something like the poem about the jabberwocky with its made up words. And you do have a point about the context, although i dunno if this is a movie that will be narrated, so trying to explain that these are insults may have to rely on the spiders hissing even more loudly or something. I say when bilbo starts taunting, we skip straight to the french castle guards in quest for the holy grail instead. THOSE are insults that could enrage anyone!

[grimbold]

He's thinking of The Mind's Eye version from 1979 that has John Vickery in it and was recorded in a bathroom (no, I'm not making that up).

thats kind of...concerning?

[Aotrs Commander]

Ah, my apologies, as an american, I was unaware if those terms were like old slang in england, like "the bees knees" or something like the poem about the jabberwocky with its made up words. And you do have a point about the context, although i dunno if this is a movie that will be narrated, so trying to explain that these are insults may have to rely on the spiders hissing even more loudly or something. I say when bilbo starts taunting, we skip straight to the french castle guards in quest for the holy grail instead. THOSE are insults that could enrage anyone!

Well, the Spiders could talk, so you could have them reacting to that verbally.

Or, yes, the French castle guards...

[Traab]

Well, the Spiders could talk, so you could have them reacting to that verbally.

Or, yes, the French castle guards...

I just started laughing, because I pictured Bilbo spewing all sorts of obscure insults like attercop and lazy lob, while the spiders get ticked and just start spewing curses at him. "Attercop?! YOU &%^$*^&%! My mother was a SAINT!" (yes, I know the response doesnt make sense)

[Muz]

Speaking of which, I am still curious to see how they handle the spiders talking, and the trolls. Will they still talk at all? It doesn't seem in keeping with LOTR, but then in LOTR (book or movie, I think), you wouldn't get trolls named Tom, Burt, and Will, either.

Hmm. Did Shelob have any dialogue in the book? I'm thinking she didn't...

I don't really know which way PJ's going to go on this. I'm just curious to see what they come up with.

[Chromascope3D]

Hmm. Did Shelob have any dialogue in the book? I'm thinking she didn't...

She doesn't, but she is revealed to be the literal mother of all giant spiders.

[Aotrs Commander]

Speaking of which, I am still curious to see how they handle the spiders talking, and the trolls. Will they still talk at all? It doesn't seem in keeping with LOTR, but then in LOTR (book or movie, I think), you wouldn't get trolls named Tom, Burt, and Will, either.

Hmm. Did Shelob have any dialogue in the book? I'm thinking she didn't...

I don't really know which way PJ's going to go on this. I'm just curious to see what they come up with.

Shelob didn't talk, but that doesn't mean she didn't necessarily know how. Or it could be that her smaller offspring - a more favourable environment (because seriously, Mordor) - were smarter than her.

But yes, it will be interesting to see if they have the spiders talking. I coulld see PJ doing it either way.

The trolls they really should, because, like Orcs, Trolls were intelligent after all. (For a given value of "intelligent".) Also, it would be hard for Gandalf to verbally outwit the stone trolls if they couldn't talk...!

[snoopy13a]

I predict a new craze where large numbers of people will turn up on friends doorsteps one by one demanding cake.

I think PJ will cut that scene for something "more dignified." I'm expecting all of the light-heartness and silliness to be sucked out of these movie for "serious" LOTR-the prequels.

[Aotrs Commander]

I think PJ will cut that scene for something "more dignified." I'm expecting all of the light-heartness and silliness to be sucked out of these movie for "serious" LOTR-the prequels.

Given that Jacskon put humour back IN to the LotR films, I somehow doubt that.

[Muz]

I think PJ will cut that scene for something "more dignified." I'm expecting all of the light-heartness and silliness to be sucked out of these movie for "serious" LOTR-the prequels.

So you haven't seen the trailer then, I take it?

[grimbold]

sure jackson put humor into those films
but at their heart they are still rather serious


the hobbit is a lot less serious, and i'm not sure if jackson can really communicate that without losing fans

personally i'm not sure i can take the dwarves, as such, seriously...

[Traab]

sure jackson put humor into those films
but at their heart they are still rather serious


the hobbit is a lot less serious, and i'm not sure if jackson can really communicate that without losing fans

personally i'm not sure i can take the dwarves, as such, seriously...

I know because of gimli I will be wondering how many of them are actually female.

[MLai]

On the topic of dwarves, I don't like how they made Thorin Oakenshield not really dwarf-like. It's ok that they made him "heroic dwarf" height, i.e. much taller than other dwarves pretty much the size of a medieval man... But his face, is just really really human.

Especially because the actor is a tall well-built guy to begin with IRL. So his facial features are completely that of a tall human. And there's no makeup at all to make his features dwarvish. And his beard is not a beard for a dwarf; it's more like a dwarf-woman's 5 o'clock shadow.

[Hopeless]

On the topic of dwarves, I don't like how they made Thorin Oakenshield not really dwarf-like. It's ok that they made him "heroic dwarf" height, i.e. much taller than other dwarves pretty much the size of a medieval man... But his face, is just really really human.

Especially because the actor is a tall well-built guy to begin with IRL. So his facial features are completely that of a tall human. And there's no makeup at all to make his features dwarvish. And his beard is not a beard for a dwarf; it's more like a dwarf-woman's 5 o'clock shadow.

So the rest might be 1e he is probably 4e whilst Kili or Fili is 3e?

Did Tolkien describe what weapons each dwarf wielded?

I'd have assumed PJ would try and keep that as close to the book as he could...

[grimbold]

I know because of gimli I will be wondering how many of them are actually female.

eeyup

also
i do agree that thorin seems off... we'll see what they do with him...

[Welf]

On the topic of dwarves, I don't like how they made Thorin Oakenshield not really dwarf-like. It's ok that they made him "heroic dwarf" height, i.e. much taller than other dwarves pretty much the size of a medieval man... But his face, is just really really human.

Especially because the actor is a tall well-built guy to begin with IRL. So his facial features are completely that of a tall human. And there's no makeup at all to make his features dwarvish. And his beard is not a beard for a dwarf; it's more like a dwarf-woman's 5 o'clock shadow.

I think that was the right choice; Thorin is a tragic and serious character, and it wouldn't fit if he was "funny" looking like the other dwarfs. And he he is described as being tall enough to mount a horse, unlike other dwarfs who have to use ponies.

[Androgeus]

And his beard is not a beard for a dwarf; it's more like a dwarf-woman's 5 o'clock shadow.

At least it's more of a beard than Kili's, that's the 5 o'clock shadow.

[Welf]

Now I dislike Thorin's design. It reminds me of John Travolta on Battlefield Earth. And I can't unsee it. I really hope he will kick rear-end in that movie, so that memory is erased from my brain.

[Caesar]

Eh I agree with you.

In my day, we had animated Bilbo Baggins and a fishman Gollum, 70's singers AND WE LIKED IT!!!

Chip the glasses, crack the plates, that's what Bilbo Baggins hates!