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2013-07-01, 12:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
SpoilerMitD = The Dark One??
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2013-07-01, 03:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
1. It's okay - you don't need to spoiler speculation on this thread. After all, this entire thread is speculation.
2. Deities are immune to mind-effecting affects, while MitD is not, so no go.
3. I have a lot of trouble seeing the MitD befriending and teleporting to safety a member of the Sapphire Guard if the MitD were the Dark One. I also have trouble seeing the MitD being so, well, incompetent were that the case.
4. Why would the Dark One have been roaming around in a forest, and then captured and identified as "one of these" by Big Game Hunters, and then paraded around a circus as an unidentifiable "it" before being stolen by Redcloak years down the line? If the Dark One were trying to, I donno, infiltrate Team Evil in order to keep an eye on Redcloak or whatever, why not find a less roundabout way to join the team?
5. If the Dark One could manifest on the material plane so readily, why would he need help performing the ritual to control the Gate? Even if he needed an arcane caster, why rely on Xykon for said ritual instead of giving up and finding a more readily controlled arcane mage? And why not march in to help with the seizing of any of the Gates instead of puttering around in the background while the Gates so integral to his plan are destroyed?Last edited by DaggerPen; 2013-07-01 at 03:19 AM.
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2013-07-01, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
6. He just talked to Jirix in the goblin's afterlife.
I'd stand by the idea of Dragonlance's Amber* as possible, but there is objective proof that he isn't the Dark One.
*SpoilerAmber turned out to be a god somehow convinced she was mortal. If she knew a sleep spell was being cast at her she would fall to it because she believed she should, but her immunities kicked in automatically when she wasn't consciously aware of spells cast against her. I'm not positing this as at all likely for MITD, just noting that there is in fact a way around the immunity issue. It's appropriateness/likeliness/cheesiness are all possible debates against it.
If it's any god it would likely be an Eastern god that somehow escaped destruction but was such a thorn in the side of the other gods over destroying the Snarl outright that they banded together to strip him of his memories and throw him to the planet. Obviously there are many issues with this - I'm just saying if it's a god then (IMO) it is likely an Eastern god that escaped destruction. So if anyone wants to go the god route as a mental excercise that would be a place to start.
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2013-07-01, 10:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
MitD could be a spawn of the Dark One? A child demigod that hasn't realized its powers yet.
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2013-07-01, 10:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
A demigod (divine rank 1-2) is also immune to mind control. Any divine rank grants mind immunity (see DSR; sorry, blocked at work, so can't link directly).
Edit: put another way: the immunities kick in earlier than the godly powers. A young demigod without his powers would not be mind controllable, and would not be able to miracle anyone away.
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2013-07-01, 01:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
I feel like a Dark One-related theory would require Redcloak to be plumb wrong about what MitD is.
If MitD were the Dark One or an avatar or spawn thereof, Redcloak would be...reverent. Or possible angry that his deity doesn't measure up to expectations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but up to this point he's mostly been casually dismissive or vaguely annoyed towards MitD, which wouldn't make sense for a cleric/godling relationship.
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2013-07-05, 01:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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So, 44 pages, huh? Should we start considering names for the next thread, or wait a few pages?
(Not gonna lie, I kinda want to suggest "MITD VII: Someone will figure it out eventually")Last edited by DaggerPen; 2013-07-05 at 01:32 AM.
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2013-07-05, 03:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
While we're on the deific specification line, could it be possible that the powers only kicked in because he really needed them? i.e. the stress of saving his friend caused him to reach deep?
Also I'm for MitD VII: Seeing Through the Veil.
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2013-07-05, 04:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
From the first post:
Originally Posted by Rich Burlew, in Don't Split the Party
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2013-07-05, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
Mental resistance isn't a power that would stop working just because you have forgotten you have it. Furthermore, if he was a deity, and RC knows it, it would know it can cast raise undead, if MitD was too incompetent to do so, he wouldn't have suggested gaining more levels - he already has them, he just wouldn't be using them. A deity, thus, still doesn't match.
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2013-07-05, 07:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-05, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
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2013-07-05, 08:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
I don't think that really would meet the figure out line, it could allow us to ignore most of the Cons with "he forgot about X."
Deities meet all the mechanical requirements, though have several things I think would disqualify them, and I don't think that a deity really would be something he could reveal and everyone would know about (unless its Zeus or someone, though that'd contradict the Snarl killing the Olympians, which it did to the best of our knowledge).
Also, which deity? It couldn't be one of the twelve gods, Thor, Odin, Loki, or Hel (might be forgetting a few). Saying a deity is like suggesting "a demon", it isn't a specific suggestion, and if it is some god made just for OOTSverse, it couldn't exactly be figured out.
Furthermore, all deities can speak every language, I don't think the STBGH would be surprised a deity, who has an ability that allows them to speak and understand every language, and communicate with everyone within miles of it, speaks common.
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2013-07-05, 08:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
...guys? "Animate Dead" is, I believe, the spell you're talking about. Raise Dead is not an undead animation spell.
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2013-07-05, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
Is there a list of previous titles? I'd hate to suggest one just to get a dozen posts of 'we had that already!'.
But I'll risk one: MitD VII: All Good Monsters Go To Heaven
I like how it sounds, but it could risk too many (repeated) side conversations about its alignment. Which, while interesting, are unlikely to be definitive enough to be productive towards the goal of determining its species.
Not to mention the completely sideways conversations about exactly what 'Heaven' means in a general D&D context vs. the specific OOtS context.
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2013-07-05, 01:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
MitD 007: GoldenEyes
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2013-07-05, 01:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-05, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2013-07-05, 02:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)
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2013-07-05, 02:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-05, 05:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-05, 05:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-05, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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I wholeheartedly vote for this as well, but only if we can somehow work that graphic into the actual title. Will it show up?
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2013-07-05, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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I also back the 007 one. Pretty awesome.
Also I think someone pointed out that any god can animate dead with alter reality so it doesn't matter what god you're talking about they CAN do it.
Would they? Who knows.
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2013-07-05, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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:mitd: :mitd: :mitd: :mitd:
It might work... not sure though.
edit: Nope. well not on subtitles anyway.Last edited by Steven; 2013-07-05 at 07:01 PM.
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2013-07-06, 12:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-07-06, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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