MitD VI: The Undiscovered Creature (Please Read the First Post)

[JessmanCA]

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MitD = The Dark One??

[DaggerPen]

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MitD = The Dark One??

1. It's okay - you don't need to spoiler speculation on this thread. After all, this entire thread is speculation.

2. Deities are immune to mind-effecting affects, while MitD is not, so no go.

3. I have a lot of trouble seeing the MitD befriending and teleporting to safety a member of the Sapphire Guard if the MitD were the Dark One. I also have trouble seeing the MitD being so, well, incompetent were that the case.

4. Why would the Dark One have been roaming around in a forest, and then captured and identified as "one of these" by Big Game Hunters, and then paraded around a circus as an unidentifiable "it" before being stolen by Redcloak years down the line? If the Dark One were trying to, I donno, infiltrate Team Evil in order to keep an eye on Redcloak or whatever, why not find a less roundabout way to join the team?

5. If the Dark One could manifest on the material plane so readily, why would he need help performing the ritual to control the Gate? Even if he needed an arcane caster, why rely on Xykon for said ritual instead of giving up and finding a more readily controlled arcane mage? And why not march in to help with the seizing of any of the Gates instead of puttering around in the background while the Gates so integral to his plan are destroyed?

[Throknor]

1-5 Good points

6. He just talked to Jirix in the goblin's afterlife.

I'd stand by the idea of Dragonlance's Amber* as possible, but there is objective proof that he isn't the Dark One.

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Amber turned out to be a god somehow convinced she was mortal. If she knew a sleep spell was being cast at her she would fall to it because she believed she should, but her immunities kicked in automatically when she wasn't consciously aware of spells cast against her. I'm not positing this as at all likely for MITD, just noting that there is in fact a way around the immunity issue. It's appropriateness/likeliness/cheesiness are all possible debates against it.

If it's any god it would likely be an Eastern god that somehow escaped destruction but was such a thorn in the side of the other gods over destroying the Snarl outright that they banded together to strip him of his memories and throw him to the planet. Obviously there are many issues with this - I'm just saying if it's a god then (IMO) it is likely an Eastern god that escaped destruction. So if anyone wants to go the god route as a mental excercise that would be a place to start.

[JessmanCA]

MitD could be a spawn of the Dark One? A child demigod that hasn't realized its powers yet.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

MitD could be a spawn of the Dark One? A child demigod that hasn't realized its powers yet.

A demigod (divine rank 1-2) is also immune to mind control. Any divine rank grants mind immunity (see DSR; sorry, blocked at work, so can't link directly).

Edit: put another way: the immunities kick in earlier than the godly powers. A young demigod without his powers would not be mind controllable, and would not be able to miracle anyone away.

GW

[Bird]

I feel like a Dark One-related theory would require Redcloak to be plumb wrong about what MitD is.

If MitD were the Dark One or an avatar or spawn thereof, Redcloak would be...reverent. Or possible angry that his deity doesn't measure up to expectations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but up to this point he's mostly been casually dismissive or vaguely annoyed towards MitD, which wouldn't make sense for a cleric/godling relationship.

[DaggerPen]

So, 44 pages, huh? Should we start considering names for the next thread, or wait a few pages?

(Not gonna lie, I kinda want to suggest "MITD VII: Someone will figure it out eventually")

[Conte_Vincero]

While we're on the deific specification line, could it be possible that the powers only kicked in because he really needed them? i.e. the stress of saving his friend caused him to reach deep?

Also I'm for MitD VII: Seeing Through the Veil.

[Steven]

From the first post:

[O-Chul] breaks himself out of the cage, he drives off Redcloak with a lucky shot, and most importantly, he has won the trust of the monster in the darkness over the course of months. So much so that the monster digs deep and discovers powers that he didn't even know he had in order to save him.

So yes. It seems likely.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

While we're on the deific specification line, could it be possible that the powers only kicked in because he really needed them? i.e. the stress of saving his friend caused him to reach deep?

Also I'm for MitD VII: Seeing Through the Veil.

Mental resistance isn't a power that would stop working just because you have forgotten you have it. Furthermore, if he was a deity, and RC knows it, it would know it can cast raise undead, if MitD was too incompetent to do so, he wouldn't have suggested gaining more levels - he already has them, he just wouldn't be using them. A deity, thus, still doesn't match.

GW

[ReaderAt2046]

Mental resistance isn't a power that would stop working just because you have forgotten you have it. Furthermore, if he was a deity, and RC knows it, it would know it can cast raise undead, if MitD was too incompetent to do so, he wouldn't have suggested gaining more levels - he already has them, he just wouldn't be using them. A deity, thus, still doesn't match.

GW

Not necessarily. According to the SRD, a deity only gets to cast those spells it can grant, so not all deities get raise dead.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

Not necessarily. According to the SRD, a deity only gets to cast those spells it can grant, so not all deities get raise dead.

That would require RC to knowingly recruit a Good deity (Neutral and Evil both have Raise Animate Dead). That stretches the credibility of the idea beyond breaking point. It also doesn't address mental resistance.

GW

[rweird]

While we're on the deific specification line, could it be possible that the powers only kicked in because he really needed them? i.e. the stress of saving his friend caused him to reach deep?

Also I'm for MitD VII: Seeing Through the Veil.

I don't think that really would meet the figure out line, it could allow us to ignore most of the Cons with "he forgot about X."

Deities meet all the mechanical requirements, though have several things I think would disqualify them, and I don't think that a deity really would be something he could reveal and everyone would know about (unless its Zeus or someone, though that'd contradict the Snarl killing the Olympians, which it did to the best of our knowledge).

Also, which deity? It couldn't be one of the twelve gods, Thor, Odin, Loki, or Hel (might be forgetting a few). Saying a deity is like suggesting "a demon", it isn't a specific suggestion, and if it is some god made just for OOTSverse, it couldn't exactly be figured out.

Furthermore, all deities can speak every language, I don't think the STBGH would be surprised a deity, who has an ability that allows them to speak and understand every language, and communicate with everyone within miles of it, speaks common.

[Kish]

...guys? "Animate Dead" is, I believe, the spell you're talking about. Raise Dead is not an undead animation spell.

[Throknor]

Also I'm for MitD VII: Seeing Through the Veil.

Is there a list of previous titles? I'd hate to suggest one just to get a dozen posts of 'we had that already!'.

But I'll risk one: MitD VII: All Good Monsters Go To Heaven

I like how it sounds, but it could risk too many (repeated) side conversations about its alignment. Which, while interesting, are unlikely to be definitive enough to be productive towards the goal of determining its species.

Not to mention the completely sideways conversations about exactly what 'Heaven' means in a general D&D context vs. the specific OOtS context.

[Gift Jeraff]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

[rweird]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

Yes. Yes! YES! This is definitely the one I want. Genius.

[Bulldog Psion]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

That is superb. If we're voting, then I cast my vote for this.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

That is superb. If we're voting, then I cast my vote for this.

We are (it gets my vote as well). I'll get off my ass this weekend and update the first post. It is dreadfully out of date (Sorry).

GW

[martianmister]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

+1bow chickabowbow

[DaggerPen]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

Oh my god.

Okay. I hereby retract my previous lackluster suggestion and vote for this. This is perfect.

[Whiffet]

MitD 007: GoldenEyes

How do you keep coming up with these?

+1 for awesome.

[Grey_Wolf_c]

How do you keep coming up with these?

He thinks them in advance. He had 6 ready since we talked about 5's name, at least.

GW

[Crusher]

I wholeheartedly vote for this as well, but only if we can somehow work that graphic into the actual title. Will it show up?

[Steven]

I also back the 007 one. Pretty awesome.

Also I think someone pointed out that any god can animate dead with alter reality so it doesn't matter what god you're talking about they CAN do it.
Would they? Who knows.

[Steven]

It might work... not sure though.

edit: Nope. well not on subtitles anyway.

[thatSeniorGuy]

Another +1 for the 007 title (not that it's facing much opposition ...)

[RedneckTex95]

44 pages and no one can figure out...

[DaggerPen]

44 pages and no one can figure out...

Well more than 44 pages; this is the 6th version of this thread.

But it's not like we've got nothing. It's just that we don't have a way of knowing for sure if any of our top contenders are right. It's not like confetti's going to rain down if we get it.

[RedneckTex95]

Well more than 44 pages; this is the 6th version of this thread.

Oh wow. That's interesting.