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2012-09-20, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
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2012-09-20, 11:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-20, 11:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, I kinda hate Jayce. Not playing him, he's good fun and all, and while he's thematically bland I've gotten over it. I hate building him tho. His skillset is so schizophrenic I have no idea what I should be building on him.
His Q#1, Q#2 & E#1 want flat AD. His W #2 wants AD + Crit. He wants Penetration and tanky stats. He wants CDR. I'm kinda like, I want to build Trinity on him. Then I notice his base damage is 90 on max level (which is low), his W + abilities makes ASpd practically useless and the AP is of extremely minor benefit on his weakest ability and a minor AP ratio on his shift.
So I wanna build IE but...then what? He doesn't want Flat Pen since he has percentile in his kit so Youmuu's is bad. He doesn't want ASpd so Phantom Dancer is bad. And we covered Trinity already. Build second IE? Dem plays!Campaign Journal: Uncovering the Lost World - A Player's Diary in Low-Magic D&D (Latest Update: 8.3.2014)
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2012-09-20, 11:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Atma's buff pls.
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2012-09-20, 11:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-20, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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The issue I'm having is that I want crit itemization to make IE superefficient but I can't find a second crit item that's desirable on this guy. I can certainly fill out the slots but I feel outside Atma's there's nothing to make Crits good and Atma's requires a framework to be worth anything, one I don't think I can create without compromising the other stats.
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2012-09-20, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
If that's the case, then don't build IE. IE is really an AD carry item, not a bruiser item. Instead, maybe Bloodthirster? It also gives a raw pile of AD, but for less gold. You miss out on the crit, but since bruiser Jayce doesn't build much crit, it's not as big of a loss.
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2012-09-21, 12:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 12:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aye but crit chance is a multiplier; I'll easily end up with ~300 AD so building 100 more AD is less efficient than building ~18% crit chance & 50 AD with 250% crits. I can certainly stack up on pure AD and that's what I'm going with right now but crits would just give a lot more damage off the gun mode W and make the 2.5* damage crits more reliable which is the bigger reason; I want to be able to estimate how much damage I do in small skirmishes and random chance gets in the way of that so I want as high a crit chance as possible.
That'd be okay except we're talking about an under 3k health Atma's which just feels awfully inefficient with the current stats. Maybe if using some of the remaining items to cover for it... I just can't get it to acceptable numbers tho.
Well, my whole idea here was that if I just get decent crit framework & hit W in gun mode, I insta-melt somebody with 2.5 attack speed crit enforced attacks.
I suppose it's either Atma's, Trinity or go home tho. I don't see any other Crit-item in addition to IE being remotely feasible. Like, we're talking ~40 damage Atma's here.Campaign Journal: Uncovering the Lost World - A Player's Diary in Low-Magic D&D (Latest Update: 8.3.2014)
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2012-09-21, 01:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mecha Kha'Zix definitely has an advantage over the normal one.
Plus he looks about four times cooler.
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2012-09-21, 01:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, then, your options seem to be Avarice Blade (gp10 is good on anyone, and you can sell it later if you really don't want Ghostblade), and Executioner's Calling.
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2012-09-21, 01:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 01:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Kha'Zix on PBE; LETS DO THIS! FOR THE SWARM!
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2012-09-21, 01:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Kha'Zix is pretty cool, but Mecha has an unfair advantage and he needs more evolution points, IMO
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2012-09-21, 01:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yay, they fixed LoLdrop!
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2012-09-21, 01:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
He has a percentage reduction, actually, which means it's applied before any kind of penetration. Since armour negation gets more efficient the more you have, Youmuu's actually synergizes with Jayce's ultimate. For the same reason, the conflict between flat and percentage reduction/penetration is vastly overstated.
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2012-09-21, 01:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 02:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Homebrew
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2012-09-21, 02:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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He actually does get subtle changes in skin.
Upgrade claws, his claws turn hueg.
Upgrade spikes, his spike launching things on his shoulders get bigger.
Upgrade leap, he grows wings.
Upgrade his ult and he gets recolored on base skin, while Mecha Kha'Zix gets armor plating of awesomeness.
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2012-09-21, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 02:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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It actually reads cleaner if we assume Eld was talking about Jayce's shred, though.
Also, I'm going to go ahead and agree with Teron about the overstatement of the conflict between flat and percentage pen. I mean, c'mon, flat pen's got increasing returns on your investment.Avatar by Assassin89
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2012-09-21, 02:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 02:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 04:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-21, 04:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
Laudandus' build is fairly similar to what I've been using myself mostly (and since Jayce came out he has probably been my most played champion).
I used to start with Philo Stone (into Shurelya's later), and then get Trinity Force, Frozen Heart, Maw of Malmortius and Last Whisper, in varying order depending on the game. Ninja Tabi or Merc Treads for boots, as the opposition demanded.
I've found though that I was very often winning my lane hard early on, often denying or zoning my lane opponent to a large degree, and Philo Stone didn't give me enough direct combat power to snowball this lead into even more dominance, so if I went Philo Stone and my opponent went for combat items, that would give them a chance to get back into the game. I've therefore started to skip the Philo Stone and instead get Zeke's Herald at some point.
Essentially, I believe CDR is absolutely crucial on Jayce (if nothing else, one wants to be able to switch forms as often as possible), and his base numbers are good enough that damage is generally a secondary concern; tankiness and utility are usually preferable.Last edited by Winterwind; 2012-09-21 at 04:36 AM.
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2012-09-21, 04:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: League of Legends XXXVIII: Featuring Mumble, The Giant Halibut
No, sadly.
There's just this super wrong feeling of having one ability unupgraded.
Wings you always want upgraded, though I'd upgrade it second.
I'm not sure on the upgrade to the ult, I think that it'd take a LOT more skill with the champ than I have to make the ult upgrade worth while, but he looks cool with it.
I think the W upgrade might actually be much stronger than we think, and I feel like maxing that first would be reliable, from a laning perspective.
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2012-09-21, 04:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I find generally that if I'm losing lane as Jayce, it's not because I'm not winning trades but because I'm running out of mana; he can turn mana into free damage with ranged EQ, so I like the Philo for lane dominance.
I can see a build that wants to focus on pure combat strength, and use W hammer passive for mana sustain. His AD scaling actually seems not that good to me, so I'd probably just rush either Glacial Shroud or Hexdrinker, depending on damage type of my lane opponent. Maybe an early vamp scepter, too, to compensate for the sustain lost without early Shurelia's.Avatar by Ava
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2012-09-21, 06:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Inspired by a recent LoL music video, I've been playing lots of Crit Runes Gangplank recently. It is insanely hilarious. Anyone not Riven or Jax will eventually succumb to the red numbers of doom.
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2012-09-21, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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So I was trying to try the new Gaul-named bug in PBE, but couldn't because someone else always instalocked him faster. So instead I decided hey why not try Syndra.
My face after the first game:
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Seriously, she's weird. Pushing the balls into people with E is strange and I barely ever seem to hit. And the balls last way too little to do much piling up. And I have no idea how the ulti works.
Probably the strangest character I've played in this game.