GitP PrC Contest: Chat Thread V

[necroon]

Something Renaissance-y might be fun.
I really like the idea of a contest using only homebrew class to make a prestige class, though.

[Pyromancer999]

Here's an idea: Prestige Classes based on Superheroes. If you want to add to the challenge, they can't be famous ones(ones of Batman/Wolverine/Similar level of fame).

[zhdarkstar]

I second the idea of a homebrew to homebrew PrC contest. You could call it "Yo Dawg, I Heard You Like Homebrew!"

I already have a PrC in mind for that. I would've used it for the Grab Bag but the theme I wanted didn't win.

[ErrantX]

New contest is up!

Come check it out!

-X

[sirpercival]

Well, damn. This is really open-ended... so much good homebrew!

Is there a preference for PrCs for one's own homebrew vs someone else's?

My possibilities include:
Astronomer
Ætherforge
Magipunk
Ethos of the Wyrm
Heroes of Hyrule
Spellshaping

...or any one of a number of other projects. Blargh...

[Morph Bark]

Oh my, this will be something I'll definitely watch!

*pops corn*

*sits on comfy pillows*

Yes!

[sirpercival]

Oh my, this will be something I'll definitely watch!

*pops corn*

*sits on comfy pillows*

Yes!

Morph, what should I do?

[Amechra]

Obviously, base it off one of my classes!

[sirpercival]

Obviously, base it off one of my classes!

OK, then here comes an Icon prc.

EDIT: Not really

[malonkey1]

Hey, Errant? Is it alright if I use your Iron Man class?

If so I'll be merging my Arcane Engineer with ErrantX's Iron Man. Basically, they'll be incorporating their gadgets into their suits, and can study other armor's modifications and switch into them from a virtual mod slot.

[ErrantX]

Hey, Errant? Is it alright if I use your Iron Man class?

If so I'll be merging my Arcane Engineer with ErrantX's Iron Man. Basically, they'll be incorporating their gadgets into their suits, and can study other armor's modifications and switch into them from a virtual mod slot.

Fine with me

-X

[zhdarkstar]

I'm just waiting to hear back regarding permissions before I formally announce my entry. All I can say is that it's another hybrid PrC using a class I've contributed to frequently, and the outcome will be simply radiant.

[malonkey1]

Fine with me

-X

[enderlord99]

Someone should make a Blood King prc!

[Amechra]

OK, then here comes an Icon prc.

EDIT: Not really

Wonderful!

The Icon is clearly my pre-eminent work, which is loved by all and sundry!

[enderlord99]

Speaking of the Icon, it would probably go well in Gestalt if combined with a full BAB class. As written, you would be treated for all purposes as having 30 BAB by level 20. Because that clearly matters when you're playing Gestalt.

[zhdarkstar]

First impressions of the first entry, Thaumic Armorer:

Construct Armor at ECL 15 is way too late in the game to get such a vital class feature. It's an 8th-level ability for the Iron Man so you will not be able to get anywhere near as much mileage out of it with this class than the base. I'd make it a 1st level ability to make the most out of the tradeoff.

Extremis and Extremis Armor are best left as solely part of the Iron Man class, especially in the case of Extremis Armor. There has to be something worthwhile that is sacrificed. Although adding Modular Armor at 6th level instead wouldn't be stepping on as many toes.

The capstone should be something that is unique to the PrC and sums up exactly what you're trying to create. Right now it looks more like two classes held together by duct tape after 3rd level.

Also, I noticed a lot of inconsistencies between the gadget table and the descriptions. Perhaps create a thread for the Arcane Engineer itself since there are parts that are in need of updating? It would also make it easier to have a single link to the base class instead of two.

[sirpercival]

Alright, current best ideas:

Astronomer + Gramarie
Spellshaping + Binder
Magipunk PrC (either Mentalist/Crystal Mage, Planeswalker/Crystal Mage, or DivHead/Magitechnician)

Any suggestions?

[zhdarkstar]

I got half of the permissions I was looking for, so I can reveal one half of the equation. This is going to be another Sentai hybrid PrC, but that was the obvious part of the puzzle.

Just waiting on the other permission request before I shed more light on my intentions.

[malonkey1]

First impressions of the first entry, Thaumic Armorer:

Construct Armor at ECL 15 is way too late in the game to get such a vital class feature. It's an 8th-level ability for the Iron Man so you will not be able to get anywhere near as much mileage out of it with this class than the base. I'd make it a 1st level ability to make the most out of the tradeoff.

Extremis and Extremis Armor are best left as solely part of the Iron Man class, especially in the case of Extremis Armor. There has to be something worthwhile that is sacrificed. Although adding Modular Armor at 6th level instead wouldn't be stepping on as many toes.

The capstone should be something that is unique to the PrC and sums up exactly what you're trying to create. Right now it looks more like two classes held together by duct tape after 3rd level.

Also, I noticed a lot of inconsistencies between the gadget table and the descriptions. Perhaps create a thread for the Arcane Engineer itself since there are parts that are in need of updating? It would also make it easier to have a single link to the base class instead of two.

Alright, I've moved up Construct Armor, given it Modular Armor, and gave it a unique capstone (i.e. Gadgets can be armor mods and vice-versa).

[sirpercival]

Hmmm... right now (subject to change, apparently) I'm thinking of avoiding another hybrid prc, and just making an Astronomer gish prc.

[malonkey1]

Hmmm... right now (subject to change, apparently) I'm thinking of avoiding another hybrid prc, and just making an Astronomer gish prc.

Hm. Seems interesting. Maybe go with a constellation theme? (gains certain benefits themed around specific constellations, e.g. pisces give swim speed and water breathing.)

[sirpercival]

Hm. Seems interesting. Maybe go with a constellation theme? (gains certain benefits themed around specific constellations, e.g. pisces give swim speed and water breathing.)

Well, that mechanic is already built into the class...

[malonkey1]

Well, that mechanic is already built into the class...

Really? It has been a while since I looked over that class.

[Morph Bark]

Morph, what should I do?

Well, if I disregard my own stuff (because obviously any homebrewer loves to see others building on their work, like I did with someone else's with my Limit Dragoon), and take into account your usual way of work and your stated idea preferences up there, I'd say go for Aetherforge + Gramarie.

Then again, if you include a major homebrew magic subsystem on one side of a hybrid class, it's likely easier to make the other class an official one, unless you're inspired or feel like the two classes should really mesh together. [/generaladvicethoughtforeveryone]

[zhdarkstar]

Then again, if you include a major homebrew magic subsystem on one side of a hybrid class, it's likely easier to make the other class an official one, unless you're inspired or feel like the two classes should really mesh together. [/generaladvicethoughtforeveryone]

I definitely agree with this line of thought. My planned entry is a PrC that was talked about in the past, but never grew beyond a feat left on the drawing board. Thematically, the two classes I'm working with are two sides of the same coin. Mechanically, it's actually proving to be easier to meld them together than I first thought. The only part that could have been a potential problem was one I fixed with a specific trade-off that's one part fluff and two parts balance.

The first draft should be up in the next couple days. The anticipation has me simply glowing.

[Amechra]

I just realized that this wasn't restricted to making PrCs for homebrew base classes.

I just got really happy.

Now, how much of my really horrific stuff can I fit into one surreal PrC?

I know it is going to have Meisterblud, though. That just goes without saying.

[ErrantX]

I just realized that this wasn't restricted to making PrCs for homebrew base classes.

I just got really happy.

Now, how much of my really horrific stuff can I fit into one surreal PrC?

I know it is going to have Meisterblud, though. That just goes without saying.

Sorry to be the Debby Downer here, but it's off of homebrew base classes. I made a typo in the opening rules of "based" not "base", but I corrected that.

You can blend it with whatever, like a Ozodrin / Wizard for example or of the top of my head, an Ozodrin / Generator (that would be kind of terrifying and awesome...), just needs a homebrew base class involved.

-X

[zhdarkstar]

Malonkey, the more I read the Arcane Engineer, the more I want to test one out. This class just makes me think of Dexter's Lab when I see it. It definitely looks like it could be a fun class to play. I still noticed that the gadget table and descriptions still weren't matching for a few gadgets, greater powersuit being the one that sticks out the most because it's a necessity for Thaumic Armorer.

I didn't think about it before but I think we may have accidentally opened a Pandora's Box by adding Modular Armor to the class. Modular Armor + Greater Powersuit + Powerful Build = Medium character treated as Gargantuan (or Colossal depending on whether the table or the text is right) with no extra tax other than those necessary to enter the class and the most frequently used armor mod.

[malonkey1]

Malonkey, the more I read the Arcane Engineer, the more I want to test one out. This class just makes me think of Dexter's Lab when I see it. It definitely looks like it could be a fun class to play. I still noticed that the gadget table and descriptions still weren't matching for a few gadgets, greater powersuit being the one that sticks out the most because it's a necessity for Thaumic Armorer.

I didn't think about it before but I think we may have accidentally opened a Pandora's Box by adding Modular Armor to the class. Modular Armor + Greater Powersuit + Powerful Build = Medium character treated as Gargantuan (or Colossal depending on whether the table or the text is right) with no extra tax other than those necessary to enter the class and the most frequently used armor mod.

Oh, uh, yeah. I didn't quite realize that. Maybe either have one lockout the other, or replace Modular Armor with something else? Hm...Maybe something to do with crafting...

EDIT: Also, please do tell me which all were inconsistent when you get the chance. I'd like to iron all the kinks out.

EDITEDIT: Text supercedes tables, just like in the WoTC rules.