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2013-10-15, 03:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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#680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
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What was that all about? Worldbuilding? Foreshadowing the Linear Guild's divination front? Something that's still yet to pay off? A reference that flew over my head?
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2013-10-15, 03:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Probably a reference to the Empire of Blood, or one of its contemporaries in the Sweat and Tears department.
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2013-10-15, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
fairly sure it's NPC shopkeeper dialog and not much else, although Z was going around pretending to be a psychic so maybe that woman thought it was a place that could help?
might be reading too much into things there.Thog is elegant in Thogs simplicity
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2013-10-15, 03:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
I think it is only a flavourful reference that there is a new place - since there is often enough a new place with the ongoing wars/shifting borders/new kingdoms.
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2013-10-15, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
The shopkeeper probably didn't mean any Empires - they are not very new, at least from her point of view - but she might mean the company she gets the maps from. And I suspect the company being supervised by Kilkil.
There must be some sense of order - personal, political or dramatic - and if no one else is going to bring it to this world, I will.
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2013-10-15, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
That... is an excellent question. I have no idea. It sounded to me like she was going to suggest that they check another shop. It could be a lead into some bonus material in the next book maybe?
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2013-10-15, 03:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
I'd figured she was referring to one of the Empires that's taken over the general region.
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2013-10-15, 08:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Immediately before that, she's listing empires and kingdoms. This thought is clearly continuing the previous one -- "a Cruelvania, and two Despotanias, East and West. But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Seems singularly non-mysterious to me.Spoiler
So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2013-10-16, 04:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
I think she is trying to help Haley in her search, by suggesting another shop she can look into – perhaps one with history books or something.
It is very unlikely that this shop is Zzdtri's and Sabine's fortune teller shop, since they must have had that in Bleedingham, Empire of Blood, and Haley and the cartographer is in Sandsedge, quite far away from that.
I find "NPC shopkeeper dialog and not much else" to be the most plausible theory yet, I'm afraid.
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2013-10-16, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Remember, Rich is not a huge fan of the Law of Conservation of Detail.
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2013-10-16, 04:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
The shopkeeper had been talking about empires, but with respect to Haley's question about why she can't find the country she's looking for. Something along the lines of "I don't have the map you want (because of [reasons]), but you might try this new store that just opened..." I seriously doubt she's talking about going to a newly formed nation just to find a map. And I doubt a cartography shop, no matter how extensive their archives of maps, is likely to be plot-critical.
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2013-10-16, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
She was about to say "--this new place that just opened up, Starshinia, which was founded by a red-headed aasimar, but was just taken over by an Azurite fallen paladin turned blackguard. Apropos of nothing, I hear they just invented a new spell called Halflings Don't Have To Breathe."
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2013-10-18, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-18, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Sure! If you can make it fit ... :)
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2013-10-18, 09:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
"taken over a bunch of territory, recently. It's called The Empire of Blood."
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2013-10-18, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
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2013-10-19, 06:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-19, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
"...called People's Democratic Dictatorship. Their capital has a library that is famous for stocking old documents, so they might have a map where Tyrinaria is still present."
Maybe?
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2013-10-21, 08:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Malack and Tarquin both mention being there 2 years ago:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0719.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0725.html
Kilkil may be somewhat new (he said Nale "must be an older bounty" because he was unfamiliar with him), but the shopkeeper says new place).
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2013-10-21, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
The best part is that I don't even remember what she was referring to. I think maybe it was supposed to be foreshadowing for the Empires, but the timing is off...but I may just not have had the timeframe locked in yet in my mind. As in, I may have (at the time of that strip) thought that the Empire of Blood was newer and that there was another name between Tyrinaria and Empire of Blood that I subsequently decided against and/or forgot about by the time I got to Tarquin's exposition. Who knows?
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2013-10-21, 10:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
More to the point, the law of Conservation of Detail is most relevant to short works. Checkov's LONG works were three act plays, any ONE of the Order of the Stick books has more text (never mind pictures) than any of them. It makes sense for Checkov to say that if you hang a gun on the wall in act one it needs to be used by act three, because he was telling a story in as little as a few hundred words, you simply can't do that and add lots of extraneous details.
Rich is telling a story in 10 or so BOOKS, he can and should include lots of little indications that the world is bigger than what's shown on panel.
True. Remembering to include this sort of detail is why Rich is the master and we are but students who sit in awe before his feet.
Now that Rich has CONFIRMED that Redcloak's neice is definitely a half-orc rather than a goblin we can start discussing the VITAL information about the comic's future that this gives us!
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2013-10-21, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
The laws of physics are not crying in a corner, they are bawling in the forums.
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2013-10-21, 01:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Well, we have no real timeframe on the Empire of Sweat (it's as old as Roy's map, at least), so we can pretend she was alluding one of the Empires, just not the right one. (It was her first time on-screen, cut her some slack for getting her foreshadowing wrong!)
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2013-10-21, 02:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2013-10-21, 05:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
He's referring to the Therkla threads where people would ask if she could be Red Cloak's niece, forgetting that she was a half orc and not a goblin, isn't he?
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2013-10-21, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: #680: "But it might be worth asking around in this new place that's--"
Nonsense. I'll freely admit that there were a number of people who claimed that Therkla was Red Cloak's niece totally ignoring the complete lack of evidence for that position, and the strong evidence against. These people deserve a certain amount of ridicule.
But the Giant hasn't said that AT ALL, the half-orc he's talking about is TOTALLY different, as she's a wizard and is researching spells and actually is Redcloak's niece.
I don't see how you plan to fit in with forum speculation if given the SOLID evidence of a professionalliarauthor saying something as a joke you're not willing to spin elaborate theories out of almost nothing.
I'm just surprised he didn't find a way to fit in the apparently obvious to many fact that Ian is going to show up again in the comic in the current scene for no apparent reason. (How would he get there? Who knows? Why would he get there? Who knows? How did he even know that there is there? Who knows? None of this is important, Ian will show up soon. The forums have spoken.)
Edited to add: Next thing you know you'll be saying that Belkar will most probably die at the climax at the fifth gate, and that's crazy talk.Last edited by Doug Lampert; 2013-10-21 at 10:02 PM.
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2013-10-21, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-21, 11:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-10-22, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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