Crusader Kings 2 Thread II: Sparkly Vampire Invasion

[Avaris]

This is the general discussion thread for Crusader Kings 2. Here we discuss the schemes, plots and dynastic squabbling marking our (attempted) rise to power in medieval Europe.

What is Crusader Kings 2?

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Crusader Kings 2 is a grand strategy game developed and published by Paradox Interactive, and set during the Middle Ages. Here, you take control of a member of a dynasty and are tasked with guiding them to greatness... or ignoble defeat.

CK2 is notable both for the rich narrative possibilities provided through backstabbing and political manoeuvring (there is even a Game of Thrones mod) and for the continuing support and expansion of the game; at the time of writing there are 5 major expansions adding new and unique elements to the game, with a sixth recently announced!

The previous discussion thread can be found here. The playground has also completed a succession game running all the way through from 1066 to 1453, which can be found here.

If anyone wants anything added to the first post, let me know!

As a first topic, weren't we planning on doing a second succession game at some point?

[Flickerdart]

We were, but at this point we should probably wait for the new DLC to hit.

As an aside, any word on what Sons of Abraham gives the Orthodox Church? Seems like all the good stuff is going to the Catholics and their various heresies.

[pffh]

We were, but at this point we should probably wait for the new DLC to hit.

As an aside, any word on what Sons of Abraham gives the Orthodox Church? Seems like all the good stuff is going to the Catholics and their various heresies.

I thought all heresies were getting something to distinguish them from the orthodoxy.

[Narkis]

As an aside, any word on what Sons of Abraham gives the Orthodox Church? Seems like all the good stuff is going to the Catholics and their various heresies.

We don't know yet. We do know they'll get something, and there are three more dev diaries so there's a good chance one of them will focus on Orthodoxy.

[Leecros]

We were, but at this point we should probably wait for the new DLC to hit.

As an aside, any word on what Sons of Abraham gives the Orthodox Church? Seems like all the good stuff is going to the Catholics and their various heresies.

at the very least, it is implied that there will be more events for all of the Abrahamic Faiths.

[Guancyto]

If Paradox stays true to their word, the Orthodox should at least get their own holy order what with everyone getting one.

[Grif]

If Paradox stays true to their word, the Orthodox should at least get their own holy order what with everyone getting one.

What would they model the holy order after though? As far as I recall, the ERE and other Orthodox nations never subscribed to the whole holy order thing.

[OrcusMcP]

As to what they'll model it on historically, not sure. Game-wise, though, it'll probably be something similar to the Varangians, some kind of dedicated Russian/Georgian/etc soldier of fortune company.

[Flickerdart]

As to what they'll model it on historically, not sure. Game-wise, though, it'll probably be something similar to the Varangians, some kind of dedicated Russian/Georgian/etc soldier of fortune company.

This is likely - they can reuse the "your son decides to take a stint in the Varangian Guard" events that already exist for Norse characters, and just make it a Diplomacy/Intrigue option you can inflict upon your kids instead.

[tonberrian]

So we now know what (at least one of) the Orthodox Holy Order(s) is - the Brotherhood of the Holy Sepulchre.

Other cool holy order stuff.

[Flickerdart]

Apparently, Vatican clergy drop some sick loot.

[Hiro Protagonest]

Oh yeah, that and the time where your ruler enters a wargaming tournament for other enthusiasts of pushing around little wooden pieces that turns out to be peasant kids in a shed.

[Flickerdart]

Oh yeah, that and the time where your ruler enters a wargaming tournament for other enthusiasts of pushing around little wooden pieces that turns out to be peasant kids in a shed.

Heh, yeah, I've gotten those a few times, but never seen the +2 axe before.

Edit: Weird stuff! Just as I've put together my Grand Principality of Scandinavia, I look to the south to see a Tengri Byzantium...a civil war immediately erupts, but the Tengri keep hold of power. Odd that the first Khan in the game isn't Magyar or Mongol, but Greek...

[Rockphed]

So, any new Sons of Abraham news? I cannot, for the life of me, figure out where to look.

Also, whatever happened to OrcusMcP's "The Scotsman of Venice" playthrough? It was just starting to get interesting.

[Closet_Skeleton]

So, any new Sons of Abraham news? I cannot, for the life of me, figure out where to look.

Also, whatever happened to OrcusMcP's "The Scotsman of Venice" playthrough? It was just starting to get interesting.

The paradox forums

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...esies-and-More

Should be another developer diary in a day or two.

[OrcusMcP]

Also, whatever happened to OrcusMcP's "The Scotsman of Venice" playthrough? It was just starting to get interesting.

It'll be coming back, I'm so sorry.

I've been in a massive flux the past 2 months due to getting engaged while also trying to not go broke and lose my job as well as having a big theatre directing gig land in my lap.

EDIT: I'm actually really excited about Sons of Abraham as far as that Let's Play is concerned, though.

[pffh]

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/...ims-and-Events

Dev diary time.

[Flickerdart]

There's a video too!

[Rockphed]

Quick Question time! When getting married, is it better to take the money or the prestige?

[pffh]

Quick Question time! When getting married, is it better to take the money or the prestige?

Depends. Early on the money is better 9 times out of 10 since you'll probably be a bit starved for cash. Later the money is still usually better but if you have a new ruler, are getting 300+ prestige AND you don't need the money for anything right now the extra prestige might boost your vassals opinion by one or two which makes it easier to prevent a civil war. But even so you can use the money to bribe a couple of dukes out of the faction so eh.

As time passes and your realm grows and your demense starts being fully built up to your tech level you'll often find yourself with a fair amount of excess money so when that happens I tend to take the prestige unless it's 500+ gold.

[tonberrian]

The amount of gold you recieve is proportional to your displayed monthly income. Which includes inheritences. So if, for instance, you have just inherited a wealthy patrician family, you've got a few weeks where you can land yourself a 5000+ gold dowry if you act fast.

[Flickerdart]

Spare sons are a great way to raise some quick funds if you pick it over Prestige. Have lots of kids, make lots of money!

Also, I find it interesting that in the new DLC, both Jews and holy orders will be available to loan you money, plus you can now badger the Pope for some. Seems like they really want to make big spending accessible to people, probably to make it easier to hire mercenaries and change the outcome of wars that would otherwise be obvious.

[pffh]

Spare sons are a great way to raise some quick funds if you pick it over Prestige. Have lots of kids, make lots of money!

Also, I find it interesting that in the new DLC, both Jews and holy orders will be available to loan you money, plus you can now badger the Pope for some. Seems like they really want to make big spending accessible to people, probably to make it easier to hire mercenaries and change the outcome of wars that would otherwise be obvious.

They are also reducing your normal income so it's harder to become very wealthy.

[Flickerdart]

They are also reducing your normal income so it's harder to become very wealthy.

Are they? Curious. I guess everyone's going to want a pet Merchant Republic handy now.

[Closet_Skeleton]

All Paradox games (apart from Vicky2 and maybe Hearts of Iron) have bad economic progression so that you either have too much money and no use for it or not enough to build things as they become available.

[IthilanorStPete]

Are they? Curious. I guess everyone's going to want a pet Merchant Republic handy now.

You mean they didn't before? I've always made a point of having at least one Republic as a vassal to help my income.

[Rockphed]

You mean they didn't before? I've always made a point of having at least one Republic as a vassal to help my income.

Why have more than 1?

[Flickerdart]

So, my Norse Principality is having some issues - vassals keep rising up even though the Patrician families themselves aren't. Should I hand out a Serene Republic to each one and sweep the troublesome Jarls under the carpet?

[IthilanorStPete]

Why have more than 1?

I like having lots of spare cash.

[Flickerdart]

As long as you keep the republics geographically separate so that they don't start squabbling for trade zone control, having multiples is fine.