League of Legends LIX: Ice Cream, Stamps, and Lorn

[Grytorm]

I remember playing against a Kennen once as Cho'Gath top lane. It was awful because he was bad but I couldn't kill him. If he hadn't rushed Hextech revolver first I would of destroyed him because I would get him to about 25% of his HP and then he would heal to full off of the next creepwave. I ended up diving him and dying horribly.

[Math_Mage]

I remember playing against a Kennen once as Cho'Gath top lane. It was awful because he was bad but I couldn't kill him. If he hadn't rushed Hextech revolver first I would of destroyed him because I would get him to about 25% of his HP and then he would heal to full off of the next creepwave. I ended up diving him and dying horribly.

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[Anarion]

call jungler 4 free kills
123-456-7890
get yours today

Nah, Kennen v Cho is a terrible matchup for Kennen. Kennen just doesn't hurt enough to stop Cho from farming, so eventually Cho walks into a team fight with 6 ult stacks and 200 CS worth of items.

[Math_Mage]

Nah, Kennen v Cho is a terrible matchup for Kennen. Kennen just doesn't hurt enough to stop Cho from farming, so eventually Cho walks into a team fight with 6 ult stacks and 200 CS worth of items.

what does this have to do with my post

[mrcarter11]

Nah, Kennen v Cho is a terrible matchup for Kennen. Kennen just doesn't hurt enough to stop Cho from farming, so eventually Cho walks into a team fight with 6 ult stacks and 200 CS worth of items.

Yeah that describes the last time I played this, that I remember.. Cho typically doesn't die and can't be forced out easily. That E of his just keeps farming

[Anarion]

what does this have to do with my post

Darn, you realized faster than I did that it was the Kennen with 25% hp.

[Math_Mage]

Darn, you realized faster than I did that it was the Kennen with 25% hp.

To be honest, I don't think my response thinking the lane was the other way around was that different. Kennen + jungler vs. 25% hp Cho is a pretty good matchup. So is Cho + jungler vs. 25% hp Kennen.

[Hullabaloo]

Updated Baron Fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-DhNZEFxLU

updated Dragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2PYTQlAx1w

More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6c4aSydYw
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgameses/b/536946225 (starts around 26 min)

Well my HS Spanish did me no good, but per a poster

No more purple team, red instead
You wont be able to leave the fountain until the 0:15 mark (for toaster users like me, you know)
Dragon will knockback the first person who attacks him, new basic attack, like vicktor's laser, dodgeable, but when it hits, splashes, also new health bar.
Walls are exactly the same width like before (for flashing, etc)
Wolves watch you as you pass by..
Razorbeaks instead of wraiths, the weakest camp on the map
New deaths animations for each jungle monster
Different textures and colours between the 4 parts of the jungle
Turrets have their own destruction animation
Inhibitors are different on blue/red side, with new health bars

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege...showes_us_the/

[Lord_Gareth]

So I just tried support as Thresh for the first time.

I have so much appreciation for support players now. I got eaten alive.

[TechnOkami]

Updated Baron Fight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-DhNZEFxLU

updated Dragon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2PYTQlAx1w

More
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj6c4aSydYw
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgameses/b/536946225 (starts around 26 min)

Well my HS Spanish did me no good, but per a poster
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflege...showes_us_the/

I know Tryndamere's already had a visual update, but when watching him run around the new SR in his not so great character model, and the fact that it doesn't match his new splash art... yeah, he needs a remodel.

[Dusk Eclipse]

I'm in dire need of ADC tips, I mean I can do so so on normals and blind pick games, but as soon as I enter ranked and I have to play ADC I just crumble. So any quick tips in general would be appreciated. I tend to play Lucian or Jinx, but I also own Ashe, Ezreal, Graves, Tristana and Vayne.

[Winthur]

I'm in dire need of ADC tips, I mean I can do so so on normals and blind pick games, but as soon as I enter ranked and I have to play ADC I just crumble. So any quick tips in general would be appreciated. I tend to play Lucian or Jinx, but I also own Ashe, Ezreal, Graves, Tristana and Vayne.

Use attack-move on the 'A' button (click the ground, not enemy) to help you fight in teamfights (where it hardly matters whom you focus, you just have to keep on DPSing, and as an ADC you can't just dash past a tank line and expect to do anything).

Learn cooldowns on spells for more important supports/ADCs to know when to trade.

Abuse autoattack resets: Lucian can auto immediately after his Q, for instance. Those are the key to winning trades.

Usually at level 1 you want to push hard to get level 2 fast.

Always be mindful of your positioning and focus on it. If the enemy has a billion assassins that will eat you as soon as you show up then count the blown cooldowns and play it safe.

[PersonMan]

One thing I'd say is important is to talk with your support about a few things.

A: What kind of lane will this be?
-A farm lane is played very differently than one where your support is constantly looking for a chance to go in and deal damage.
B: What pings mean.
-If you clear up that pinging their ADC means "I'm going to go in ASAP once I find an opening, follow up", then you can set up a system to ping as well for "Yes, I'm ready" or b-ping them for "No, not now" to avoid situations where your support goes in just as you're trying to farm three minions at once.

Post-laning, I've found that one is often served fairly well by abandoning the bruiser/assassin/mage mindset of targeting squishies or such. You're an ad carry, which means you shoot whatever you can hit safely. Doing 800 damage to their APC then dying horribly will help your team less than doing 1900 to their tank, living, then doing 500 to their APC before they die as well. This is especially important late game, when you're a tower/inhibitor-killing machine.

[Math_Mage]

Know the matchups, know the zones, know the ganks. Farm. Kite. Work with your support and roamers. Watch cooldowns and stay far away from initiators/assassins with theirs up--don't use your mobility skill to go in unless all their skills are down. If you win a trade big, it's a good time to do dragon, because they have 2 weak/absent players. If you're group pushing towers, you're the one expected to hit the tower, so find the gap in the enemy zones and poke away. ADC is not a very complicated role--it's all in the practice and positioning.

[Anarion]

I'm in dire need of ADC tips, I mean I can do so so on normals and blind pick games, but as soon as I enter ranked and I have to play ADC I just crumble. So any quick tips in general would be appreciated. I tend to play Lucian or Jinx, but I also own Ashe, Ezreal, Graves, Tristana and Vayne.

ADC can be mechanically challenging sometimes. You really want to practice attack move. That's more than just what Winthur said about clicking on the ground, it's also the ability to autoattack, then shift your character's position and autoattack again without losing any dps. One way to think about this is to treat your autoattack as a spell that's bound to the A key, and its cooldown is determined by your attack speed.

As a general rule, do not go in for that "just one more attack" moment. If you know a character really well, you can push to the limits of what you can get, but until then, most of the time you'll just end up too far forward and get killed by somebody else on the other team because you're out of position.

[Ashen Lilies]

Know the matchups, know the zones, know the ganks. Farm. Kite. Work with your support and roamers. Watch cooldowns and stay far away from initiators/assassins with theirs up--don't use your mobility skill to go in unless all their skills are down. If you win a trade big, it's a good time to do dragon, because they have 2 weak/absent players. If you're group pushing towers, you're the one expected to hit the tower, so find the gap in the enemy zones and poke away. ADC is not a very complicated role--it's all in the practice and positioning.

This one is big. It's really irritating as someone who plays predominately melee characters to be in a siege situation, have a large wave pushed against their tower, and notice our ad carry trying to push forward and land hits on their tanks instead of hitting the tower.

Or we're tower diving/pushing forward to zone the enemy off their own tower and I'm tanking it and the ADC is running forward to try and shoot their Ziggs instead of shooting the tower that's two hits away from dying and then I tank a billion shots and then get killed because they didn't do their job correctly. That's also annoying.

[Nadevoc]

@Mysana:

I'm not going to be able to play tonight

[Anarion]

This one is big. It's really irritating as someone who plays predominately melee characters to be in a siege situation, have a large wave pushed against their tower, and notice our ad carry trying to push forward and land hits on their tanks instead of hitting the tower.

Or we're tower diving/pushing forward to zone the enemy off their own tower and I'm tanking it and the ADC is running forward to try and shoot their Ziggs instead of shooting the tower that's two hits away from dying and then I tank a billion shots and then get killed because they didn't do their job correctly. That's also annoying.

I strongly urge pings in this situation. I have been bitched out by solo queue teams because I was attacking towers when they wanted to dive. Sometimes people want to try and win the game, sometimes they want to carefully take objectives. In solo queue, all that matters is getting all 5 players on the same page, regardless of whether it's the most optimal page.

[Togath]

Elise question; which form should I use for clearing jungle mobs, and which for ganks or teamfights?
And does anyone have advice for builds? Should I build pure ap, or go for a more tanky setup?

[Nadevoc]

Elise question; which form should I use for clearing jungle mobs, and which for ganks or teamfights?
And does anyone have advice for builds? Should I build pure ap, or go for a more tanky setup?

If you're not using both forms, you're only using half your champ - this applies both in clearing and in fighting champions.

For a jungle camp, I generally start in human form. Toss Q at the big monster followed by a Skittery Boom-Spider. Then swap forms and use spider W to munch down the monsters, executing the large one with Q. Sometimes it makes more sense to start in spider form because you can save more time by rappelling over a wall into the camp.

Ganks and teamfights you should swap between the two pretty freely, depending on what you need at the moment.


Human form gives you range, % current HP damage, and a stun. Spider form gives you an execute, minor sustain, some more DPS from spiderling mini-autos, dodging, and the ability to go untargettable. Which of these is more useful at the moment? That's the form you should be in.

[Winthur]

Elise question; which form should I use for clearing jungle mobs, and which for ganks or teamfights?
And does anyone have advice for builds? Should I build pure ap, or go for a more tanky setup?

To add to what Nadevoc said, at level 1, start W, throw the explosive spiderling at the buff a few seconds before it appears and then turn into spider and fight. Shaves a couple seconds off the W cooldown so you end up being slightly faster in the jungle.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Generally, you want to focus the tower. Exception: your damage will help secure a kill and the tower isn't close to dying, or you want to tank it for 1-2 hits for your low-health assassin to safely dive that last remaining Ziggs with 100 HP that's still trying to waveclear and the tank can't get tower aggro.

In general: do you do the exact same thing people do in blind pick? I.e. pick a champion you feel like playing and go from there, or do you consider your support/team composition and enemy picks? Example: you might have good success with Vayne in blind pick, but it might not be the best idea to pick her when playing against Ashe or Caitlyn. In ranked, chances are the person picking Ashe or Caitlyn mains that champion, so even if you're equally good at Vayne (and it sounds like you're not since you don't main ADC), the innate champion's kit provides them advantages (both can outpoke you in lane hard, and both can kite away from you with Cait's E/Ashe's QW).

Then, consider supports. You might be playing Tristana against Vayne or Kog (great all-in potential), but your support is Soraka, while enemy support is Janna or Morgana, giving enemy ADC great peel against your all-in and allowing them to turn the fight against you. So, in essence it becomes a sustain/farm lane and you should play it as such, instead of trying to all-in them when your cooldowns are up.

Finally, positioning. Short version is, any time there's a fight, you want to position yourself in such a way that you can shoot one opponent, with minimum threat from enemy champions. Doesn't matter if you're shooting a fed Renekton when there's an equally fed Ziggs you could be attacking - your job is to attack Renekton if you can't get to Ziggs without getting cc'd or taking return fire. So, stay at the back. If you have self-peel (i.e. Cait's net, Tristana's jump/ult), save them to reposition or run away. Don't use them to chase kills unless only champions left alive are the ones you're chasing. Enemy Renekton might just show up from a bush and exploit your lack of escape.

[Anarion]

Elise question; which form should I use for clearing jungle mobs, and which for ganks or teamfights?
And does anyone have advice for builds? Should I build pure ap, or go for a more tanky setup?

Both, for both. Elise's strength is switching in and out. Here are a few setups.

1. First clear: start W, throw it a couple seconds before buffs spawn, turn into spider, press W again, kill buffs.
2. Standard jungle clear: as a human Q big mob, W others, turn into spider, Q and W, Q again for executes. Use smite on buffs to secure them.
3. Gank 1 (short all-in): as a spider, walk toward enemy, press E on them so you jump to them, Q them, turn into a human and use your E to stun them, press Q and W, turn back into a spider and Q again.
4. Gank 2 (extended all-in or chase): as a human walk toward the enemy, ideally from the side or behind. Use E to stun them, press Q and W, turn into a spider, press Q and W, chase them, after they use a dash or other escape move, use E to jump to them, Q again, turn into a human and use E again to stun them, use QW, back into spider again and Q again.

[Yael]

I don't know guys... Like, LeBlanc's going down lol

[thracian]

I am confused both by what you mean and why you are saying it.

[NineThePuma]

She just got her silence taken out.

[Forrestfire]

What

[NineThePuma]

lb's sigil of silence is now a sigil of malice as of latest pbe update

[thracian]

This will reduce her ability to trade in lane for free, and do nothing to stop her from simply blowing people up. It is a good decision.

[abadguy]

Best nerf ever! No more ridiculous free poke!