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    Quote Originally Posted by Story View Post
    like Jack_Simth's technique to animate an earth-sized planet with just 2-3 epic spells cast repeatedly

    That's nothing. Tippy once made a living planet wizard pre-epic.
    Hehe. Most of the best TO/very high PO has little to do with epic spells, precisely because most challenges become moot the instant RAW mitigation enters the picture. Want to be a character from DBZ, but without the annoying technique warm-up times? I'm sure there is a spell for that. Want to be able to make tanks explode with your fist? Spell for that. Want to shoot endless mind bullets that slice enemies to ribbons? Hmm, yeah, there's a spell for that.

    Doing any of that and more with pre-epic is a more suitable test of skill. I personally am a fan of Tippy's IA's of warforged psion 20 PaO'd into granite blocks and made ethereal. Fill an entire city with the normal ones and the ethereal ones. Yeah, that image still blows my mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phelix-Mu View Post
    Hehe. Most of the best TO/very high PO has little to do with epic spells, precisely because most challenges become moot the instant RAW mitigation enters the picture. Want to be a character from DBZ, but without the annoying technique warm-up times?
    Wait, isn't there a mitigation factor for cast time? THAT'S HOW DBZ WORKS! They're all epic casters, but instead of the traditional mitigation methods of group participation, they used cast time mitigation! They even have verbal components!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keledrath View Post
    Wait, isn't there a mitigation factor for cast time? THAT'S HOW DBZ WORKS! They're all epic casters, but instead of the traditional mitigation methods of group participation, they used cast time mitigation! They even have verbal components!
    Its scary how well that works now that you've pointed it out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TypoNinja View Post
    Its scary how well that works now that you've pointed it out.
    I know. It's downright eerie.
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    Wow. That's... that makes a certain amount of sense. They've also taken Spell Thematics, obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QuickLyRaiNbow View Post
    Wow. That's... that makes a certain amount of sense. They've also taken Spell Thematics, obviously.
    What do you need Spell Thematics for? Epic Spells are custom, you pick what they look like anyways.

    But yeah, so all DBZ characters are Sorcerer/Monks with Ascetic Mage and mostly really low Int scores, which is why they think 10 minute cast times are acceptable for combat spells.

    The Hyperbolic Time Chamber is Kami's fast-time demiplane,
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    And the Spirit bomb adds in ritual casting mitigation... it makes so much sense...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCrowing1432 View Post
    Most if not all of Homestuck characters.
    "Shenanigans"

    Is this meant to be a serious "challenge"? Homestuck is about characters that are aware that they're in a game exploiting and sometimes even breaking the rules of the medium. In other words, some of them resemble things that might not be laughed at at Tippy's table.

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    I'm interested in seeing how you'd stat Sebastian from Kuroshitsuji. Can't work it out myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I'm interested in seeing how you'd stat Sebastian from Kuroshitsuji. Can't work it out myself.
    Him being some flavor of Evil Outsider is a no-brainer; the only issue would be picking one that's PC-legal if this is for a Player, but to be honest this sort of thing would actually work better as either an NPC or a DMPC, and the rules are kinda warped in either case (not needing to worry about LA in the former, and not needing to worry about party-balance nearly as much in the latter (situations where DMPCs are warranted as more than a way to pad out the PC's party numbers tend to come part and parcel with the DMPC being stronger than normal)). After that? From what little I know of the character, while most forms of caster (especially the ones that come with Gish functionality hardwired in) would work, the Factotum would fit the ability to do basically if not literally anything you could ask him to do. Chameleon would also fit (potentially even better than Factotum, if it weren't for the need of downtime to switch gears until later levels), but that's race-specific and I'd rather not need something to be Houseruled, since that kinda defeats the purpose of this challenge. The guy is pretty damn high level, though, so it may be toeing the line if you want him pre-Epic.

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