RWBY IV: I Love These Guys

[Reddish Mage]

Spoiler: Volume 2, Chapter 2

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Nah, the cute pony is Yang, Nora's a queen.

Chibi Ruby was jarring enough, I'd personally rather not have the fourth wall broken. Save that for the Deadpool movie that totally should get made.

Spoiler: nothing actually spoiled unless you go back quite aways

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They have broken the fourth while in Volume 1 during the initiation, when Yang and Blake meet, Blake clearly smiles at the camera. I don't think explicit fourth-wall breaking works in RWBY, and I'm not sure its actually present in MLP. Also, Deadpool would be a kickass movie, too bad standards are such that it is too much a danger to the rest of the Marvel franchise to allow such a cheerful bit of violence porn to be made. I'd bet it would make buckets of money beyond what an R-audience would project.

An aside, is there a point in a discussion that goes beyond the episode that we can unspoil a bit of it, perhaps a response to responses that bring up points not having anything to do with the episode? It does get a bit troublesome reading threads when nearly all the discussion has been spoiled

Spoiler: V2E2

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Unfortunately that didn't happen this episode. I really liked the scene about Blake genuinely being concerned with the fact that "there is literally an army of terrorists running around in our city with tonnes of dust and we don't know what they're going to do and it could happen at any moment" and then they kinda shat all over it with Weiss and Ruby being all anime and stuff.

Spoiler: actual V2E2

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Except, this seriously is the setup of the show (which is ultimately Shounen-style) that team RWBY (and possibly JNPR) going after the villains that threaten the world, despite being young kids that have no business doing it.

By the way, if the nightclub incident from Yang's trailer did occur when would it have occurred and what would Yang have wanted from Junior and his crowd (and how is any of that connected to Torchwick)?

[Prime32]

I actually like the visual gags simply because they're so blatant. I generally detest that aspect of anime imagery however RWBY uses it pretty exclusively in comedy scenes and it's sheer heavy handedness makes it fell like a particularly self deprecating parody of the style rather than a direct use.

I realize that may not be everyone's cup of tea but I enjoy a bit of self awareness in my comedy. Just keep it well away from my drama and we'll be fine.

That's not what a parody is. And in every interview the team has indicated that they are trying to use it directly, they just like to switch between styles a lot.

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: actual V2E2

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Except, this seriously is the setup of the show (which is ultimately Shounen-style) that team RWBY (and possibly JNPR) going after the villains that threaten the world, despite being young kids that have no business doing it.

By the way, if the nightclub incident from Yang's trailer did occur when would it have occurred and what would Yang have wanted from Junior and his crowd (and how is any of that connected to Torchwick)?

Spoiler: V2E2

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Yeah, but they could of treated it a bit more seriously instead of having Weiss to an overdramatic flip with anime esque energy line background, and without Ruby going into a super rapid rant storm. I'm just saying that, at that moment, it would of been better to calm down and take things more seriously.

Honestly, I figured that happened during Ruby's fight in episode 1, and after being accepted into Beacon she left to go find Yang.

No idea what Junior's connection to Roman is. Maybe we'll learn!

[Math_Mage]

Spoiler: v2e2

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Weiss' little stunt with the chair was exactly the sort of immersion breaking that irritates me. Ruby's rant didn't seem 'anime' to me so much as 'we couldn't figure out how to set this up with dialogue so we'll just throw it out there and hope no one notices.'

[Rawhide]

Spoiler: nothing actually spoiled unless you go back quite aways

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They have broken the fourth while in Volume 1 during the initiation, when Yang and Blake meet, Blake clearly smiles at the camera.

Spoiler: Volume 2, Chapter 2, originally, but now we're on Volume 1

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Wait, what? I think you're dreaming there.

An aside, is there a point in a discussion that goes beyond the episode that we can unspoil a bit of it, perhaps a response to responses that bring up points not having anything to do with the episode? It does get a bit troublesome reading threads when nearly all the discussion has been spoiled

You should generally avoid this if you're replying to a spoiler, but feel free to note in the spoiler title that it's no longer really a spoiler. There is a handy drop down option to expand all spoilers.

[Reddish Mage]

Spoiler: V2E2

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Yeah, but they could of treated it a bit more seriously instead of having Weiss to an overdramatic flip with anime esque energy line background, and without Ruby going into a super rapid rant storm. I'm just saying that, at that moment, it would of been better to calm down and take things more seriously.

[about Yang's Trailer] Honestly, I figured that happened during Ruby's fight in episode 1, and after being accepted into Beacon she left to go find Yang.

No idea what Junior's connection to Roman is. Maybe we'll learn!

Spoiler: Re: LaZodiac V2E2

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If they treated it with all seriousness, they wouldn't be talking of playing Superhero-Vigilantes, they would instead have Blake march right to Ozpin.

Spoiler: A long long time ago there was a V2E2 discussion, now its about a volume far far away

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Seriously though, Blake smiled at the camera, its mentioned in the Bluray's director's commentary

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Re: LaZodiac V2E2

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If they treated it with all seriousness, they wouldn't be talking of playing Superhero-Vigilantes, they would instead have Blake march right to Ozpin.

Spoiler: A long long time ago there was a V2E2 discussion, now its about a volume far far away

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Seriously though, Blake smiled at the camera, its mentioned in the Bluray's director's commentary

Spoiler: V2E2

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You say that like it's bad. She does so, he says once again to let the adults handle it, have him hint at "you're going to be involved in the future anyway, so try and be children while you have time, please, for my sake and yours, since child soldiers are awful" and then have Blake and the others decide to make a secret child vigilante squad to deal with this. It helps build Ozpin up some more, and gives our heroes a much closer connection to this beyond "well that sounds fun and impressive so lets do it" that I get from Ruby's reasoning for them doing it.

[Rawhide]

Spoiler: V2E2

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Yeah, but they could of treated it a bit more seriously instead of having Weiss to an overdramatic flip with anime esque energy line background, and without Ruby going into a super rapid rant storm. I'm just saying that, at that moment, it would of been better to calm down and take things more seriously.

Spoiler: v2e2

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Weiss' little stunt with the chair was exactly the sort of immersion breaking that irritates me. Ruby's rant didn't seem 'anime' to me so much as 'we couldn't figure out how to set this up with dialogue so we'll just throw it out there and hope no one notices.'

Spoiler: Volume 2, Chapter 2

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Are you both saying that you've never done something overdramatic at an inappropriate time then immediately regret it and/or never observed someone do that?

That was Ruby being Ruby, she's like that when she gets excited. No way she's being calm.

Spoiler: A long long time ago there was a V2E2 discussion, now its about a volume far far away

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Seriously though, Blake smiled at the camera, its mentioned in the Bluray's director's commentary

Spoiler: Volume 1, really, but might spoil Volume 2, Chapter 2 if you add 2+2 together

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I know the scene you're talking about, I still say you're dreaming. She looks to the side, which happens to be roughly where the camera is, and smiles. It's a shy smile, and this is exactly what shy people would do. I just watched the director's commentary of it, not a single mention during the scene. The voice actresses only mention it so much in that you should "check out this glance". EDIT: After listening to more after that, the voice actresses do seem to think that she at least comes close to breaking the fourth wall, but I still don't think so, and I seriously hope it wasn't intentional. Thankfully, they're not the writers or animators.

Now, if she had winked at the camera, you might be on to something.

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Volume 2, Chapter 2

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Are you both saying that you've never done something overdramatic at an inappropriate time then immediately regret it and/or never observed someone do that?

That was Ruby being Ruby, she's like that when she gets excited. No way she's being calm.

Spoiler: V2E2

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I've genuinely never been in a situation where being overdramatic about something at an inappropriate time would be possible, honestly. But also yes I've never done the above.

[Sith_Happens]

1. Ah, the joys of connecting your laptop to a 50" TV to watch RWBY. I even took the opportunity to rewatch the food fight.

2. Is it too late to move for this thread's subtitle to be changed to I Thought Libraries Were for Reading?

3. Y U LOCK OLD THREAD? Now I can't quote things from it.

Spoiler: S2E2

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4. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE RISK: THE GATHERING.

5. I tentatively second the "Neptune = Jaune + success" theories, and think that the resulting interactions would be hilarious (see: Jaune's "C'mon!" when Neptune magically steals his pickup line).

6. So Ironwood can bring a whole military unit to Vale with him and only possibly cause an uproar? When this show says "time of peace" it really means it.

7. Everyone who finds Team CRME's infiltration of Beacon unbelievable, remember that however hard Beacon tries to look like a high school, it's actually a college. There's no such thing as "too old" to go there, though the image of a 50 year old back-to-school-er wearing that uniform is hilarious (at least the female version, suits tend to be much more age-friendly).

[LaZodiac]

1. Ah, the joys of connecting your laptop to a 50" TV to watch RWBY. I even took the opportunity to rewatch the food fight.

2. Is it too late to move for this thread's subtitle to be changed to I Thought Libraries Were for Reading?

3. Y U LOCK OLD THREAD? Now I can't quote things from it.

Spoiler: S2E2

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4. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE RISK: THE GATHERING.

5. I tentatively second the "Neptune = Jaune + success" theories, and think that the resulting interactions would be hilarious (see: Jaune's "C'mon!" when Neptune magically steals his pickup line).

6. So Ironwood can bring a whole military unit to Vale with him and only possibly cause an uproar? When this show says "time of peace" it really means it.

7. Everyone who finds Team CRME's infiltration of Beacon unbelievable, remember that however hard Beacon tries to look like a high school, it's actually a college. There's no such thing as "too old" to go there, though the image of a 50 year old back-to-school-er wearing that uniform is hilarious (at least the female version, suits tend to be much more age-friendly).

Spoiler: V2E2

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True. So I guess a middle age woman like Cinder being there isn't that hard to believe. Still though, the nazi imagery of their outfits is a little...on the nose, as it where.

At most we'd get a Remnant version of Risk. The cards would make it far to hard to actually balance and stuff. Though if they actually made a board game version of the game that worked, that'd be impressive at least.

[Math_Mage]

Spoiler: Volume 2, Chapter 2

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Are you both saying that you've never done something overdramatic at an inappropriate time then immediately regret it and/or never observed someone do that?

That was Ruby being Ruby, she's like that when she gets excited. No way she's being calm.

No, I'm saying what I said. If you read something else into it, that's on you.

[PallElendro]

Hi, guys. I made this for all you Major League Baseball and RWBY fans.

Coco Crisp!

[Math_Mage]

wut did i just see

[GPuzzle]

Spoiler: S2E2

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4. ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ GIVE RISK: THE GATHERING.

5. I tentatively second the "Neptune = Jaune + success" theories, and think that the resulting interactions would be hilarious (see: Jaune's "C'mon!" when Neptune magically steals his pickup line).

Spoiler: V2E2

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5. inb4 Neptune's Jaune's long lost brother.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Spoiler: V2E2

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Contrast this with Wukong and Neptune, who continue to be a flaming ******* and a generic douchebag "suave smart guy" character. Wukong's team is bad and three of our four main characters are getting basically zero respect or character growth. I'll admit that this is better then Volume 1, however.

Spoiler: Blue-haired douche and his monkey sidekick

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I'm not quite sure in which post you wondered how people could like Sun or Neptune, but anyway, I'll try to explain:

Sun is playful and charismatic. Oh, sure, people with a stick up their butt (read: Weiss) will probably hate him. People who take words at face value will hate him too. But... he's actually a nice person. He genuinely likes his friends, both old and new, and tries his best to entertain them, because that's what he does. Yang makes puns, Ruby makes speeches and Sun teases and makes borderline too far jokes. He's honestly excited for his old friend (Douche) to meet his new friends (Ninja Terrorist Kitty Cat and the rest of team BLCK RWBY). He's cocky, but he isn't arrogant in a malicious way like Draco Malfoy, or even Weiss/Cardin to use an in-universe example. He's the Sirius Black of RWBY, and just because you might sympathize with Snape more or think Lupin is a better person, doesn't make Sirius less charismatic. Or for another example, he's Rick Castle, and likes rocking the boat to see how much he can get away with for no other reason than it's fun.

Neptune.. is precisely the stereotypical suave preppy cool smart guy. But there's a reason it's a trope: it exists in real life, and a lot of such people really do tend to be likable and charismatic. From what little we've seen of him, he really is suave, smart, cool, and preppy.

Just because you personally hate either the character, or the personality type, doesn't mean other people do.

In other news, if no-one has dibs on Neptune for an avatar, I want dibs!

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Team CRME

Brilliant, I say! Absolutely bloody brilliant!

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Blue-haired douche and his monkey sidekick

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I'm not quite sure in which post you wondered how people could like Sun or Neptune, but anyway, I'll try to explain:

Sun is playful and charismatic. Oh, sure, people with a stick up their butt (read: Weiss) will probably hate him. People who take words at face value will hate him too. But... he's actually a nice person. He genuinely likes his friends, both old and new, and tries his best to entertain them, because that's what he does. Yang makes puns, Ruby makes speeches and Sun teases and makes borderline too far jokes. He's honestly excited for his old friend (Douche) to meet his new friends (Ninja Terrorist Kitty Cat and the rest of team BLCK RWBY). He's cocky, but he isn't arrogant in a malicious way like Draco Malfoy, or even Weiss/Cardin to use an in-universe example. He's the Sirius Black of RWBY, and just because you might sympathize with Snape more or think Lupin is a better person, doesn't make Sirius less charismatic. Or for another example, he's Rick Castle, and likes rocking the boat to see how much he can get away with for no other reason than it's fun.

Neptune.. is precisely the stereotypical suave preppy cool smart guy. But there's a reason it's a trope: it exists in real life, and a lot of such people really do tend to be likable and charismatic. From what little we've seen of him, he really is suave, smart, cool, and preppy.

Just because you personally hate either the character, or the personality type, doesn't mean other people do.

Spoiler: V2E2

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"borderline too far jokes" are too far . Wukong is not a nice person. We haven't really been shown him doing anything nice.

I continue to fail how anyone likes Neptune in the slightest. He's literally done nothing but say a few lines so far. He has a character design and that's it. What little he's said makes him out to be a "I'm better then you, love me" kind of guy. I don't like anyone on Team Generic Anime Pretty Boy so far.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Spoiler: V2E2

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"borderline too far jokes" are too far . Wukong is not a nice person. We haven't really been shown him doing anything nice.

I continue to fail how anyone likes Neptune in the slightest. He's literally done nothing but say a few lines so far. He has a character design and that's it. What little he's said makes him out to be a "I'm better then you, love me" kind of guy. I don't like anyone on Team Generic Anime Pretty Boy so far.

I'm assuming you completely cannot stand Harvey Spectre from Suits? AKA the man's man, the one man every man should aspire to be if they're not into hunting, woodwork, barbecue and boring government work? (redacted) is basically just a younger version of Harvey.

[Sith_Happens]

Brilliant, I say! Absolutely bloody brilliant!

Sadly, I can't take credit for it, someone else already pointed it out.

"borderline too far jokes" are too far . Wukong is not a nice person. We haven't really been shown him doing anything nice.

He's a Lovable Rogue. Obviously you associate rogues with unlovability. Either way you seem to be alone so far in not liking him.

Spoiler: V2E2

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I continue to fail how anyone likes Neptune in the slightest. He's literally done nothing but say a few lines so far. He has a character design and that's it. What little he's said makes him out to be a "I'm better then you, love me" kind of guy. I don't like anyone on Team Generic Anime Pretty Boy so far.

Spoiler: S2E2

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I like him for appreciating the intended use of a library.

[LaZodiac]

I'm assuming you completely cannot stand Harvey Spectre from Suits? AKA the man's man, the one man every man should aspire to be if they're not into hunting, woodwork, barbecue and boring government work? (redacted) is basically just a younger version of Harvey.

Never seen Suits.

Spoiler: E2V2

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I should note that my read on Neptune is ALSO just as unfair as your guys is love of him. AGain, he's done nothing but say things that to me, make him look like a self important jerk. When he actually does stuff I will think about his character more.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Never seen Suits.

Spoiler: E2V2

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I should note that my read on Neptune is ALSO just as unfair as your guys is love of him. AGain, he's done nothing but say things that to me, make him look like a self important jerk. When he actually does stuff I will think about his character more.

Spoiler: Pass Wukong the ball and press R

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So, basically, he's exactly like every other 17 year old boy that actually talks and isn't Jaune?

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: Pass Wukong the ball and press R

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So, basically, he's exactly like every other 17 year old boy that actually talks and isn't Jaune?

Spoiler: V2E2

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Not every 17 year old is a flaming douchebag asshat. Some are actually respectful. Some are cowardly and dumb like Jaune. Justifying the actions of a pretend monkey man by saying "well all 17 year olds are like that" is silly.

[Lord Raziere]

Spoiler: Episode 2, Volume 2

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Posting this a day AFTER I saw it...Lesse....

ooh intrigue! cool. and the headmasters last line tells a lot about him

yet another reason why I like Yang: we have both made the same joke.

Neptune seems likable. the guy hasn't done anything jerkish in particular so far, so I'm assuming he is just your average smooth ladies man. nothing wrong with that. I tend to take the stance of "innocent until proven jerk." with these things.

Am I the only one who is tilting their head at Nora's last line of "women." there? she is a woman. does she actually realize she is referring to herself as well as half the people in the room with that comment as well? or....nevermind, I'm probably just overthinking it. probably just parodying the line by making Nora say it.

ok, I think here is where we get Ruby's character flaw when she motormouths the whole deal about going off to fight evil-doers at the end of that conversation. She still has romantic ideas about all this. I find the way she states it is a little cringeworthy, but I'm pretty sure its meant to be that way. the hints that things aren't going to be all sunshine and lollipops is being dropped more heavily now, so it looks like its showing Ruby's naivety here.

Blake, I get the whole "I'm introverted and can't talk about these sorts of things, or at least not right away" kind of deal, I'm kind of that way too, but please start talking to him, at least soon? when an adult in an academy is saying they only want to help, they generally mean it. but then again, ex-terrorist racially oppressed survivalist upbringing so I may not know anything at all really.

[Don Julio Anejo]

Spoiler: V2E2

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Not every 17 year old is a flaming douchebag asshat. Some are actually respectful. Some are cowardly and dumb like Jaune. Justifying the actions of a pretend monkey man by saying "well all 17 year olds are like that" is silly.

Spoiler: Report Wukong, stupid jungler never gank

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I was a 17 year old boy not too long ago. Truth of the matter is, they are either quiet/shy to the point where you don't notice they exist, or they're flaming asshats (ironically, socially awkward bookshy nerds are often the worst at it because arrogant, popular kids are more likely to be nice). Most grow out of this, some don't. But fact is, any guy that likes attention (between 40-60% of them as per Eysenck's cortical arousal theory and statistics on extroversion) is bound to come off as a total douche at least some of the time in his effort to get said attention.

[Kd7sov]

He's a Lovable Rogue. Obviously you associate rogues with unlovability. Either way you seem to be alone so far in not liking him.

Not entirely; I don't specifically dislike him, but I wouldn't say I'm more favorably disposed toward him than, say, Weiss at the end of last season.

(I tend to identify with Weiss' views a lot more than I'd expect, actually, considering our wildly different backgrounds.)

Spoiler: S2E2

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I like him for appreciating the intended use of a library.

Spoiler: Seriously minor and oblique 2,2 spoilers, but hey.

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This, yes. It's not exactly a lot of characterization, but it's certainly a positive sign in my book.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Spoiler: Episode 2, Volume 2

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Blake, I get the whole "I'm introverted and can't talk about these sorts of things, or at least not right away" kind of deal, I'm kind of that way too, but please start talking to him, at least soon? when an adult in an academy is saying they only want to help, they generally mean it. but then again, ex-terrorist racially oppressed survivalist upbringing so I may not know anything at all really.

Since hearing the full version of the Vol. 2 OP I have a vague trust issues (which I'm sure was the intent!) with said character so that may not have been wise. Its probably a red herring, but its at least possible its not.

And if it wasn't wise to not share then said character probably understands anyways. Since said character also rather evidently knows.

And if there was some obvious downside for keeping that a secret (like being able to bring in larger forces or whatever) I'd expect a little more force on the matter.

[Rawhide]

No, I'm saying what I said. If you read something else into it, that's on you.

I'm making a point, the point is that people do that. I'm wondering why it breaks your immersion, when it is the kind of thing that actually happens. My guess was that you were somehow lucky enough to have never seen it happen, which is why I questioned if that was it.

[Math_Mage]

I'm making a point, the point is that people do that. I'm wondering why it breaks your immersion, when it is the kind of thing that actually happens. My guess was that you were somehow lucky enough to have never seen it happen, which is why I questioned if that was it.

It has nothing to do with whether or not I've ever been around the sort of person who might have done something like that once in some situation.

[Rawhide]

It has nothing to do with whether or not I've ever been around the sort of person who might have done something like that once in some situation.

That still doesn't answer my question of why something which happens in reality breaks your immersion.

[LaZodiac]

That still doesn't answer my question of why something which happens in reality breaks your immersion.

Because it isn't reality? It's an anime. Lets say Weiss gets shot down by a stray bullet from a shoot out and dies, or nearly dies. That happens in reality. Doesn't make it any less immersion breaking.