FSN: Unlimited Blade Works anime thread - ZeroRider was so much better

[Eldariel]

^ F/Apoc is silly fanfiction and I disbelieve it.

I reconsidered. If I'm ever teleported into Nasuverse for a Grail War, I'm going to attempt summoning Assassin Tohno.

Out of that bunch, I'd go with Ryougi Shiki myself. They both have some potentially problematic aspects in their personalities (the 無-personality for Ryougi, the Nanaya for Tohno), but Ryougi's MEDP are specifically stated to shine against the supernatural (such as servants, noble phantasms, magecraft, etc.) and she lacks the drawback Tohno's have, and she's apparently quasi-omnipotent in her 無-personality. Though of course, if we call Satsujinki, that'd be a moot point and that'd also be absolutely horrifying.

[chainer1216]

Archer: simo hayha
Assassin: nameless ninja
Berserker: Musashi Miyamoto
Caster: Rasputin
Lancer: Joan of Arc
Rider: Guan Yu
Saber: Sigurd/Sigfried

I'm still trying to figure out noble phantasms, some are obvious but other require creativity. I really like the idea of Musashi's being a reality marble called Skill, that takes you to a beach at sunrise that is basically an anti magic field.

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Isn't that an exclusive problem to Shirou caused by how badly he sucks at anything magical that doesn't involve buffing himself or making swords out of thin air?

Eh, I'm pretty sure Gilgamesh also had to kill children to buff himself up. Plus, if you yourself are going into Nasu universe, you have about as much magical power as half of Shirou. The non-magical half.

Dude, that's the pro-est of all pros. One of his noble phantasms could be a thundercloud made of pigeons.

I'm just saying, they could lure him with assassin dressed as a pigeon, if they found about him.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

ARE YOU INSANE!?!?

Granted, his whole solipsistic spiel might make him even harder to deal with than Blondie...

...I'm not sure which is scarier, the incredible amount of sense this makes in a twisted sort of way, or the thought of Vino with any kind of actual weapon.

Heh heh heh heh...

[Closet_Skeleton]

I'm pretty sure I picked Scheherazade as my caster last time this came up on this forum.

Most fictional characters would be too weak, but saying Kojiro is fictional but Lancelot isn't was always silly.

Susano'o is probably the most powerful Japanese servant, since he's about the only member of the pantheon you can get away with as a hero rather than a god in a Heracles sort of way. The imperial regalia Kusanagi would even be a viable summoning catalyst.

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Why Scheherazade as Caster and not say - Merlin? Sure he might switch your gender and make you a king of Britain, but there are worse stuff to be expected from Casters.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I'm pretty sure I picked Scheherazade as my caster last time this came up on this forum.

Most fictional characters would be too weak, but saying Kojiro is fictional but Lancelot isn't was always silly.

Susano'o is probably the most powerful Japanese servant, since he's about the only member of the pantheon you can get away with as a hero rather than a god in a Heracles sort of way. The imperial regalia Kusanagi would even be a viable summoning catalyst.

Extra backdoored Amaterasu in with an incarnation, but that's Extra, where the power levels are made up and only grinding matters. She did have a version of the Imperial Mirror, at least.

It'd be interesting to see if you could get Izanami (or for that matter, Osiris or Odin) in there as gods who have nonetheless "died".

Oh, this also reminds me. I once played a version of Nyarlathotep in a Fate/Stay RP, on the same theory as Extra Caster - he was specifically one incarnation of the Crawling Chaos, namely the Black Pharaoh Nephren-Ka. Very limited compared to the "real" Nyarly, but still a big threat.

[Sith_Happens]

Out of that bunch, I'd go with Ryougi Shiki myself. They both have some potentially problematic aspects in their personalities (the 無-personality for Ryougi, the Nanaya for Tohno), but Ryougi's MEDP are specifically stated to shine against the supernatural (such as servants, noble phantasms, magecraft, etc.) and she lacks the drawback Tohno's have, and she's apparently quasi-omnipotent in her 無-personality. Though of course, if we call Satsujinki, that'd be a moot point and that'd also be absolutely horrifying.

Ooh, you know what just occurred to me? Piercing a servant's death spot would probably keep them from returning to the Grail (due to their being straight-up gone rather than just "dead"), which means you get to yell "NO ROOT FOR YOU!" at any poor saps hoping to use the War for its intended purpose.

Why Scheherazade as Caster and not say - Merlin? Sure he might switch your gender and make you a king of Britain, but there are worse stuff to be expected from Casters.

Merlin would definitely be my first choice if I had to go Caster for some reason (provided that I'm wrong about Wukong qualifying, of course), but that's a big if. Personally the full extent of my concern as to my hypothetical servant's class is "Please not Berserker, I am so far from prepared to deal with that."

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Speaking of, what about summoning Jesus? I find it ironic to summon a Church figure to fight for a vessel that is supposedly his drinking cup.

Personally, I think most prudent choice is summoning Cuchulain in Berserker mode and making sure you don't look threatening to him. If myths are true, he had some kind warpy, head-goes-boom power when super angry. Let him loose, watch blood-fire-works.

[Closet_Skeleton]

It'd be interesting to see if you could get Izanami (or for that matter, Osiris or Odin) in there as gods who have nonetheless "died".

If you just wanted to win you'd summon Rama as an Archer. Massive cult, avatar of a supreme god etc. Unless ascending to a higher plane of existence doesn't count as dying properly.

I'm not sure Odin is that good in a fight. If Medusa is summonable, then just summon Fenris as a Berserker and be invincible.

[GenericMook]

If you just wanted to win you'd summon Rama as an Archer. Massive cult, avatar of a supreme god etc. Unless ascending to a higher plane of existence doesn't count as dying properly.

I'm not sure Odin is that good in a fight. If Medusa is summonable, then just summon Fenris as a Berserker and be invincible.

Rama would probably be the most broken Servant ever. Especially if each one of the divine weapons he can invoke is a separate Noble Phantasm. But he runs into the same problem as Arthur, as he's probably the most recognizable Hindu hero.

Karna as an Archer is also a solid choice. He might also qualify for Rider, depending on how you view things.

[Prime32]

Speaking of, what about summoning Jesus? I find it ironic to summon a Church figure to fight for a vessel that is supposedly his drinking cup.

The Grail can't summon gods.

Personally, I think most prudent choice is summoning Cuchulain in Berserker mode and making sure you don't look threatening to him. If myths are true, he had some kind warpy, head-goes-boom power when super angry. Let him loose, watch blood-fire-works.

Cú Chullain had a thing about never targeting women while enraged unless they were his enemies, so a female Master should be safe enough. Also apparently he's massively nerfed by being summoned in Japan, since he's not well known there - he'd get a ton of extra powers if summoned in Ireland (including "a chariot, a castle, and Blessing of Wakefulness").

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Come to think of it, it's possible that Bazett was trying to summon him as Berserker, but failed since the Einzberns had already summoned Hercules ahead of schedule. Her luck is even worse than his...

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The Grail can't summon gods.

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Tell that to Avenger

Also Jesus isn't God, but a part of him, no?

I still think it would be hillarious to say. Hey, Josh, remember that cup you drank from? I kinda need it - for stuff.

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Come to think of it, it's possible that Bazett was trying to summon him as Berserker, but failed since the Einzberns had already summoned Hercules ahead of schedule. Her luck is even worse than his...

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Doubt it, she wanted to show him at his best and let him kick some ass in name for Ireland. I don't think looking like a mad hellmanbeast, would be what she wanted. I wonder what would have happened if current Grail had Bazzet/Lancer. Lancer had a weak spot for females and she could use the excuse to *ahem*FILL UP HIS PRANA. She wouldn't even need a command seal to loosen him up.

[Sith_Happens]

So I ended up trawling the Type-Moon wiki for a while last night and came across this tidbit:

Within the Fuyuki Holy Grail War system, there is a rule making only the summoning of Western Heroic Spirits possible due to the Holy Grail being a Western, Christian, concept and that the summoning system was created in the world of Western magi. Sasaki Kojiro of the Fifth Holy Grail War is a complete aberration in many ways. Other systems like the Moon Cell Holy Grail War have no such restrictions.

No word that I could find on how Archer gets a pass.

ANYWAYS, feel free to ignore that rule if you wish despite my mistakenly specifying Fuyuki as the default venue, but supposing that I was to be forced to abide by it (*grumble grumble*):

1. Enkidu
2. Siegfried
3. Achilles
4. Alexander
5. Merlin

...Actually, any chance that Sun Wukong would get a pass because DBZ?

(In case you haven't noticed, I'm playing to win. Can't say I'm a fan of the whole "Conscripted into a deadly battle royale" thing, you see, so like hell if I'm not going to go all in on not getting bit by the "deadly" part.)

Also Jesus isn't God, but a part of him, no?

I'd have to check what the Nasuverse take on that is, my wiki-walking didn't take me in that direction.

*briefly checks*

Nothing that I could find, though the franchise's copious use of Clap Your Hands if You Believe definitely makes me lean more towards divine spirit than heroic spirit.

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Speaking of all the Type-Moon Wiki-walking I did, what do you think would happen if you shot a servant with the Black Barrel?

[Pronounceable]

No word that I could find on how Archer gets a pass.

The rules are more like guidelines. We shouldn't worry overly much about them. Nasu certainly doesn't.
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And if we're gonna be going balls out bull**** OP fictionals from any random source, Lambdadelta would be my choice. She's the least likely of that bunch to screw me over.

[DoctorFaust]

And if we're gonna be going balls out bull**** OP fictionals from any random source, Lambdadelta would be my choice. She's the least likely of that bunch to screw me over.

Lambadelta still leaves the possibility of losing, though. If you really want to go ****ing OP, just take Tatsuya or Kirito. They have the EX-ranked Noble Phantasm of Plot Armor.

[Sith_Happens]

Lambadelta still leaves the possibility of losing, though. If you really want to go ****ing OP, just take Tatsuya or Kirito. They have the EX-ranked Noble Phantasm of Plot Armor.

You do know the prequel was written by Gen Urobuchi, don't you?

[DoctorFaust]

You do know the prequel was written by Gen Urobuchi, don't you?

Bah! Onii-sama's powers can overcome even the Urobutcher's.

[Nerd-o-rama]

Lambadelta still leaves the possibility of losing, though. If you really want to go ****ing OP, just take Tatsuya or Kirito. They have the EX-ranked Noble Phantasm of Plot Armor.

I'm still only 3/4 of the way through, but aren't Lambda and Bern hypothetical meta-concepts who exist outside what is laughably called "reality" in the When They Cry series?

Also if plot armor was a viable Heroic Spirit ability, how would Lancelot ever lose a fight?

[Closet_Skeleton]

The Grail can't summon gods.

Hercules is totally a God, so that's obviously incorrect.

I'm pretty sure Alexander is a god as well, since Rider's obsession with Oceanus makes him clearly the mythological character based around the historical one and not a real person.

Also if plot armor was a viable Heroic Spirit ability, how would Lancelot ever lose a fight?

I thought the number 1 rule of Fate superpowers is that everyone is theoretically invincible anyway until they actually come into contact with the story.

[Alent]

Bah! Onii-sama's powers can overcome even the Urobutcher's.

I'll second this one. Tatsuya's high speed regeneration by itself is Noble Phantasm grade magic on tier with Avalon. I'm just not sure if he'd be an Archer or Caster. (Loopcast Material Burst. ) I guess he could be an assassin, but Assassin is supposed to have near-bottom tier stats and Tatsuya's only bottom tier stat is his magic construction time, which he doesn't even need because he can simply skip that step.

I just don't think he'd actually make it into the grail system since he doesn't actually have a wish.

[Nerd-o-rama]

I'm pretty sure Alexander is a god as well, since Rider's obsession with Oceanus makes him clearly the mythological character based around the historical one and not a real person.

Since the whole series is about myths vs. reality, that seems like nitpicking. It would explain the completely contradictory appearance.

I thought the number 1 rule of Fate superpowers is that everyone is theoretically invincible anyway until they actually come into contact with the story.

The number 1 rule of Fate is that the rules only exist to be broken for the sake of plot twists.

[Sith_Happens]

Also if plot armor was a viable Heroic Spirit ability, how would Lancelot ever lose a fight?

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Congratulations, you just described his role in Fate/Zero.

Hercules is totally a God, so that's obviously incorrect.

I'm pretty sure Alexander is a god as well, since Rider's obsession with Oceanus makes him clearly the mythological character based around the historical one and not a real person.

Like half the point of being a heroic spirit is that those sorts of lines mostly stop existing for you in the first place.

I thought the number 1 rule of Fate superpowers is that everyone is theoretically invincible anyway until they actually come into contact with [someone even more theoretically invincible]/[someone theoretically invincible in a very specific way such that it overrides the first person's theoretical invincibility].

Fixed that for you, or, to elaborate:

Welcome to Fate/insert subtitle here, the franchise where the rules are made up and the power levels don't matter.

I just don't think he'd actually make it into the grail system since he doesn't actually have a wish.

Not even "For the universe to consistently bend over backwards at least twice as far for my sister as it does for me?" Admittedly almost everything I know about that series I know from TV Tropes.

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So anyways, I just had both a great idea and the best idea:

Great Idea:

If Zero-Berserker is as awesome as he is with a NP-ized fighter jet, just imagine the Red Baron as Rider.

The Best Idea:

Prisma Illya as Caster.

The summoning catalyst would be a piece of cake too: a DVD box set of any magical girl show.

[Pronounceable]

The Best Idea:

Archer Megatron.

Catalyst: Toy gun.

Fixed......

[Alent]

Not even "For the universe to consistently bend over backwards at least twice as far for my sister as it does for me?" Admittedly almost everything I know about that series I know from TV Tropes.

Except that isn't an actual wish of Tatsuya's.

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Without going into too much detail, his mother's brain-breaking magic that made him a magician basically killed him as a human being, leaving him without any kind of real aspirations that aren't mechanical at best. The only wish worthy of the grail he could actually have would make him not a magician, and he doesn't want that.

So anyways, I just had both a great idea and the best idea:

Great Idea:

If Zero-Berserker is as awesome as he is with a NP-ized fighter jet, just imagine the Red Baron as Rider.

Summoning Catalyst: A red doghouse.

Noble Phantasm: Reality Marble "Imaginary Front".

Oh wait, you meant the OTHER Red Baron.

[Sith_Happens]

The Best Idea:

Archer Optimus Prime.

Catalyst: Toy gun.

Fixed......

Fixed your fix. Evil servants are never a good idea, no, not even then.

Except that isn't an actual wish of Tatsuya's.

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Without going into too much detail, his mother's brain-breaking magic that made him a magician basically killed him as a human being, leaving him without any kind of real aspirations that aren't mechanical at best. The only wish worthy of the grail he could actually have would make him not a magician, and he doesn't want that.

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According to his TV Tropes page it left him without any aspirations that aren't either (a) mechanical or (b) related to looking after Miyuki, because half the point of doing it in the first place was to make him into the perfect bodyguard for her.

[DoctorFaust]

Has the start date of the second cour been announced yet? I've heard some people saying April 4th, and some saying April 1st, but I can't remember any of them showing sources.

[mallorean_thug]

Has the start date of the second cour been announced yet? I've heard some people saying April 4th, and some saying April 1st, but I can't remember any of them showing sources.

Yup, start dates for about half of Spring's shows have been announced. Fate is resuming on 04/04 at 24:00 (UTC+9) on Tokyo MX, BS11, etc. Source. (that's not the original source of course but I didn't feel like daisy chaining through the source list at the bottom to find an official japanese site I couldn't read.)

[DoctorFaust]

Yup, start dates for about half of Spring's shows have been announced. Fate is resuming on 04/04 at 24:00 (UTC+9) on Tokyo MX, BS11, etc. Source. (that's not the original source of course but I didn't feel like daisy chaining through the source list at the bottom to find an official japanese site I couldn't read.)

Cool, thanks. And as someone who hasn't read the VN, does the pacing pick up in the second half? First cour felt, I dunno, liked it dragged along sometimes.

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Bit of a random question, but I'm curious. Is your avatar from Joshiraku? I watched it recently, and I would swear that that looks just like Marii.

[mallorean_thug]

Cool, thanks. And as someone who hasn't read the VN, does the pacing pick up in the second half? First cour felt, I dunno, liked it dragged along sometimes.

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Bit of a random question, but I'm curious. Is your avatar from Joshiraku? I watched it recently, and I would swear that that looks just like Marii.

The second half should have punchier pacing because of what events are left, but with it spread across 13 episodes including at least one more double length episode, I can still think of at least 2 spots where its probably going to drag its feet a little. And I'm still hoping for an interlude with Caster/Kuzuki's backstory from Hollow/Ataraxia. Idk though, I always thought that UBW was the worst structured route, but that doesn't seem to be a popular opinion.

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Yup, nailed it. It would be even more obvious with a less cropped version of the artwork.