LGBTAI+ Questions and Discussion thread II: Make It Double

[noparlpf]

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Is the feminine one the aggressive magical martial artist who throws fire, or the business focused tech savant with lightning powered punches?
...the one that wears fur and leather in the style of a hunter, or the one that pretty much wears suits all the time?
......the one that rides a bear, or the one that produces and drives her own race cars?

I see nothing unfeminine about aggression, homemade furs, suits, bears, lightning punches, or racecars.

An aggressive bear in a suit driving a racecar while punching lightning sounds awesome.

[SiuiS]

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Is the feminine one the aggressive magical martial artist who throws fire, the one that wears fur and leather in the style of a hunter, the one that rides a bear, ?

You impugning Annie oakley?

Yes. /MLP:FiM

Zing!

[SowZ]

I see nothing unfeminine about aggression, homemade furs, suits, bears, lightning punches, or racecars.

An aggressive bear in a suit driving a racecar while punching lightning sounds awesome.

But her point still stands; it is unfair to call it a stereotypical "One is the man, one is the woman," relationship.

[Icewraith]

But her point still stands; it is unfair to call it a stereotypical "One is the man, one is the woman," relationship.

This seems like it's going to be one of those context-dependent things, where your particular life experiences are going to cast certain characteristics in a more or less gendered light.

[Anarion]

But her point still stands; it is unfair to call it a stereotypical "One is the man, one is the woman," relationship.

Totally true. It's just that nobody has actually called it that. It was brought up as a criticism that somebody out in the world has leveled at it, and it's a bit absurd (okay, lots absurd) in this context. Depressingly, something being absurd doesn't appear to stop random people from repeating it a bunch anyway. C'est la vie.

In other news, California Magazine just released a whole issue on LBGT and feminism issues. I didn't read the whole thing, but there was a very interesting article about the history of the T part of the movement on college campuses and some of the challenges they faced within the broader LBGT community (which seemed rather timely) and they have an interesting article on the website about raising gender neutral kids.

[Ego Slayer]

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Is the feminine one the aggressive magical martial artist who throws fire, or the business focused tech savant with lightning powered punches?
...the one that wears fur and leather in the style of a hunter, or the one that pretty much wears suits all the time?
......the one that rides a bear, or the one that produces and drives her own race cars?

This is going to be the best thing I read all week.

Though reddit already did me the grand disservice of completely ruining the end of Korra for me, unfortunately. It seems the delicious fanfiction prayers were answered.

[AmberVael]

I see nothing unfeminine about aggression, homemade furs, suits, bears, lightning punches, or racecars.

They are totally awesome things for any woman! Or a lot of women at least, I dunno, there's probably some person that can make them not awesome.
Wouldn't exactly call them feminine though, at least not in the way that was meant in context.

An aggressive bear in a suit driving a racecar while punching lightning sounds awesome.

Lady Ursa Roarington, aka "Thunderpaw." Never comes in first place but holy moly don't get in her way.

You impugning Annie oakley?

Nope!

[Anarion]

This is going to be the best thing I read all week.

Lady Ursa Roarington, aka "Thunderpaw." Never comes in first place but holy moly don't get in her way.

Way to immediately one-up yourself AmberVael. At this rate, I expect bear princesses riding bears mounted with bear cannons by Thursday.

[golentan]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

[Jormengand]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

I worked out my sexuality, but I didn't even know what a trans person was before I came here.

[PairO'Dice Lost]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

Do you mean sorting out feelings and attraction and such independently, or finding the right label independently? 'Cause I figured out that I was gay when I was fairly young, but didn't find out there was a term for it until few years later when the sex-ed teacher at my religious middle school told us that "the gays" were destined for the deepest pits of Hell because they were an abomination against God and all that was holy.

[golentan]

I meant sort out the feelings. People had to drive home with a sledgehammer that I was clearly attracted to the guys I kept inviting to have one on one dinners in exceedingly nice restaurants/snuggle/shower with me.

Of course, I had other issues with coming to terms with my feelings...

[noparlpf]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

Yeah, probably. It just took a while because it's a weird one.

Which reminds me—I feel your pain regarding fluid sexuality. This week I'm getting a weirdly higher libido than usual but I'm also somehow feeling even more ace than usual. What the butts, brain. Why this.

[golentan]

Yeah, probably. It just took a while because it's a weird one.

Which reminds me—I feel your pain regarding fluid sexuality. This week I'm getting a weirdly higher libido than usual but I'm also somehow feeling even more ace than usual. What the butts, brain. Why this.

Huh. I imagine that would be fairly confusing...

Well, you have my sympathy.

[noparlpf]

Huh. I imagine that would be fairly confusing...

Well, you have my sympathy.

It happened before when I was on Prozac. Might be because of all this insurance nonsense meaning that I've been on inconsistent doses of my meds recently, even though my current meds don't normally cause it. I dunno, I'm kind of a mess right now.

But I'm just like... Okay body? ...What do you want me to do with this? Give me something to work with, here. Geez.

[golentan]

It happened before when I was on Prozac. Might be because of all this insurance nonsense meaning that I've been on inconsistent doses of my meds recently, even though my current meds don't normally cause it. I dunno, I'm kind of a mess right now.

But I'm just like... Okay body? ...What do you want me to do with this? Give me something to work with, here. Geez.

Close your eyes and ask a friend to help? I... Honestly, if it's not a problem you can take care of yourself, so to speak, I don't know what else might work? My libido has always had a subject, I think I'd go insane from having to scratch that itch if nobody appealed. I mean... more insane.

[Shadowscale]

Close your eyes and ask a friend to help? I... Honestly, if it's not a problem you can take care of yourself, so to speak, I don't know what else might work? My libido has always had a subject, I think I'd go insane from having to scratch that itch if nobody appealed. I mean... more insane.

I wish I could have a libido and have something to be attracted to.

[golentan]

I wish I could have a libido and have something to be attracted to.

Um... I volunteer to try and help with that?

[Shadowscale]

Um... I volunteer to try and help with that?

How so? What does that mean?

[Coidzor]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

Well, I basically had always known I liked ladies, I think, I just didn't really know what one was supposed to do with them for a good long while there. I definitely recall that I had a preference for buxom women when I was a pre-sexual child, though I don't believe I understood that was what I liked about them.

With guys it was more complicated, but mostly because I couldn't quite tell how much was me and how much was the general societal message not to be close to other men and that any kind of emotion is homosexual and wrong, that required some unpacking and self-examination.

I was fairly sure of my hypothesis by the time I got around to testing it though, so it's up to the listener to decide whether that qualifies as having necessitated experimentation, I suppose.

[golentan]

How so? What does that mean?

I will shut up now because my crush on you is making me be a jackass.

[AmberVael]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

I did.
I can't exactly tell you how I came to my conclusion or why I was so certain of it, but I definitely was certain.

It was less of a sorting out and more of a sudden epiphany and mental breakdown though, so I can't exactly recommend it.

[GrayGriffin]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

I always thought I was a late bloomer, because I didn't even know about demisexual/demiromantic as orientations until I read about them on the Internet. Being able to finally put a word to those feelings was so important to me.

[Anarion]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

The fetish part I've known about forever and ever. Well before puberty, though I didn't know the term fetish then. Asexuality outside of the fetish I'm still not totally confident about, but when I learned the term a couple years ago it made a lot of sense to me, very lightbulb-esque.

[golentan]

The fetish part I've known about forever and ever. Well before puberty, though I didn't know the term fetish then. Asexuality outside of the fetish I'm still not totally confident about, but when I learned the term a couple years ago it made a lot of sense to me, very lightbulb-esque.

Fetish? Is this one where you'd be willing to refresh my memory?

[Anarion]

Fetish? Is this one where you'd be willing to refresh my memory?

No memory to refresh. I've mentioned this about myself in thread before, but the previous post is 100% of the shared public info. I'll PM you if you're interested in chatting about it.

[Mystic Muse]

I'm fairly curious myself, if you don't mind PMing me, Anarion.

[SowZ]

How many people were able to sort out their orientation/identities without experimentation or having someone suggest it?

I always knew I liked women, though it wasn't until later that I realized not masturbating and not caring for the idea of sex/not prioritizing the desire to be in a relationship was considered abnormal. So my actual orientation I figured out on my own, but nuances of it were lost on me until I compared it to others.

I'm fairly curious myself, if you don't mind PMing me, Anarion.

I'm also a bit curious, so feel free to share via PM if you'd like. I have several myself and I find the concept pretty fascinating.

[Serpentine]

I'm weirdly pleased that I know something you guys don't

I worked it out, as much as I have, on my own, including that I don't really care to have any definite definitions for myself. I knew in grade 6 that I wasn't gay and didn't really get "girly" things. Otherwise I've never really been under pressure to be one thing or another or to find a box to sit in. I am what I am, I like what I like, and aside from casual interest and practical considerations that's pretty much good enough for me, and always has been.

[golentan]

I'm weirdly pleased that I know something you guys don't

I worked it out, as much as I have, on my own, including that I don't really care to have any definite definitions for myself. I knew in grade 6 that I wasn't gay and didn't really get "girly" things. Otherwise I've never really been under pressure to be one thing or another or to find a box to sit in. I am what I am, I like what I like, and aside from casual interest and practical considerations that's pretty much good enough for me, and always has been.

I bet you know lots of things we don't. I, for example, am the only person alive who knows the secret recipe for a Jalapeno Berry Bomb, and none of you folks know what my ex looks like naked. I don't think, anyway. I'd be very surprised.