He-Man and the Masters of the Universe

[Ramsus]

And hey, since they used Vortexxing last night they can't use it this night so..... I guess tomorrow is going to be really dull and uninformative. *shrug* On the plus side, better than the other ways it could have gone.

And now we can start hypothesizing on who Logic would pick for a team.

[JohnTheSavage]

Errrr, Logic. Obviously. Because he's the Alpha?

As for the hypothesizing on the wolf team, I've got nothing, being new here but:

Xihrili is the enigma for me. His sudden change in behaviour does indeed feel like someone is coaching him behind the scenes, I'm just not sure if that person is Logic or someone else.

This game has masons in it, right? Coaching on its own doesn't scream "wolf", does it? But it is still cause for concern, yeah.

[Duck999]

Duck has been too quiet and if I had to guess, I'd say he's probably wolf too.

Sorry. I've been caught up in the beginning of school, then high holidays happened and I forgot to vote.

[necrochicken]

All hail the prophet necrochicken! Thee who shall not bow shall be burned at the stakes as a heretic!

Praise! this is a first!

[Syldar]

Wait, so what happened with the whole "lynching logic" thing? Did Logic die and make the other guy his replacement? Did Logic not die? I'm confused.

[Lex-Kat]

I shall let someone else inform you of exactly what happened. But, the rules and the roles are in the OP. Your answers are there.

[Zar Peter]

Wait, so what happened with the whole "lynching logic" thing? Did Logic die and make the other guy his replacement? Did Logic not die? I'm confused.

It seems that Logic is the alpha. The alpha survives the first lynch so we have to kill him tomorrow again.

[Logic]

Skeletor, Master of the BURN!

[AvatarVecna]

Skeletor, Master of the BURN!

The only thing skeletor will ever be the true master of is enunciation...which is weird, considering he has no lips.

[necrochicken]

Logic. Do I have to explain this?

[Zar Peter]

Errrr, Logic. Obviously. Because he's the Alpha?

As for the hypothesizing on the wolf team, I've got nothing, being new here but:


This game has masons in it, right? Coaching on its own doesn't scream "wolf", does it? But it is still cause for concern, yeah.

Logic. Do I have to explain this?

Yes. Please explain why you both are pointing at night.

[Syldar]

What I'm wondering is what the bleep happened with the shapechanging guy. Autolynched and replaced with Luizeu? Something weird?

[Logic]

What I'm wondering is what the bleep happened with the shapechanging guy. Autolynched and replaced with Luizeu? Something weird?

It's a narrative device to explain that one player was replaced with another. Nothing more.

[necrochicken]

Yes. Please explain why you both are pointing at night.

Just posting in advance, Will post formally during day.

[Lex-Kat]

What I'm wondering is what the bleep happened with the shapechanging guy. Autolynched and replaced with Luizeu? Something weird?

It's a narrative device to explain that one player was replaced with another. Nothing more.

Exactly this.

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He-Man
and the Masters of the Universe
Night 3

The Masons had arranged for their room to be placed together, so that they could meet and conspire, perhaps even find a way out of the castle and get help... though they were not sure where from, perhaps from Etheria and She-Ra. Well, good things were happening this night. They had broken through the outer wall of Man-At-Arms room, as planned due to it being known as a weak-spot by them. The plan is that once they have it large enough, Stratos will slip out during the night, and fly off without anyone being the wiser.

Unfortunately, this plan does not work out well. Up on one of the turrets, watching for just such an escape plan, is Tri-Clops, the three-eyed genius who, like Man-At-Arms, builds wondrous weapons for his side. He had been growing bored of this guard duty, when he notices something out of the corner of one of his eyes. Happy to finally be doing something, he jumps behind his latest weapon of destruction, a double blastarr pulse weapon. With glee, he begins firing at the soaring birdman, who tries to weave and dodge, but the blasts from the weapon are to fast and too many. Eventually, Stratos' left wing is clipped, and he free-falls to the ground.

Proud that his work is done, so far, Tri-Clops sits back down to continue his lunch.

TheMatthew was Stratos, a Mason.

Day 4 Begins
It will end in approximately 72 hours (Sunday night/Monday morning)

Missed 1 Day

Duck999 JohnTheSavage

Missed 2 Days

A-L Replacements

AvatarVecna Elenna

Away Notice

Cuthalion

Player List

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#	Player	Character	Occupation	Died?	When?
01	bladescape
02	Cuthalion
03	Duck999
04	Flaming Eagle
05	Fleeing Coward
06	Indarra
07	JohnTheSavage
08	Logic
09	Luizeu- II
10	Maleceptor
11	Murska
12	necrochicken
13	Pelican
14	Phantom, the
15	Ramsus
16	Silent_Interim
17	Syldar
18	Xihirli
19	Zar Peter
06	matthew, the	Stratos	Mason	Wings clipped by pulse weapon	Night 3
05	Smuchmuch	????	????	Changed appearance	Day 3- AL
04	TFT	Orko	Fool	Thwacked by Jitsu	Night 2
03	Elenna	Ram-(Wo)Man	Villager	Escaped via Wall	Day 2
02	AvatarVecna	Sorceress	Seer	Choked Unconscious	Night 1
01	Luizeu	Zodac	Villager	Thwacking and Slashing	Day 1

[Fleeing Coward]

Anyone interested in hunting for Logic's minions today to make it less boring? We can kill Logic at any time now.

Someone like Cuthalion maybe?

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My logic is simple - Logic at this point has no powers and is a known quantity so we can get rid of him at any time and he provides us with a safe target to CFD if we ever need to change things at the last minute to save a confirmed power role from the lynch.
Lynching him now just wastes a day and gets us no closer to victory while essentially giving the wolves another free kill. We can just ignore him for the rest of the game and focus our attention on trying to find the 4 other wolves. If we don't find those, we can't win anyways so why give the wolves a free kill when we don't have to?

[Ramsus]

Logic. Next we kill FC for trying to lead us into a trap where the wolves can prevent us from killing the alpha by use of vortexxing and make us waste extra days.

[Fleeing Coward]

Logic. Next we kill FC for trying to lead us into a trap where the wolves can prevent us from killing the alpha by use of vortexxing and make us waste extra days.

And you wonder why I suspect you when you think lynching Logic and giving the wolves a free kill is a good idea?

The people who gets vortexed gets told they're vortexed and it is on a 2 day cd. If the wolves want to vortex Logic and one other person on any given day that isn't a wolf, we'll know about it and can avoid it with absolutely no problems.

The number of wolves in this game is a known quantity so we know exactly how many mislynches we have. All lynching Logic does at this point is give them a free shot to kill whoever they want tonight while providing us with a day where we get 0 information.

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Basically look at it this way:
If we leave Logic until last, we need to kill 4 wolves before for all intensive purposes, we win the game in all but name.
If we lynch Logic today on the other hand, we still need to lynch those same 4 wolves to win except now the wolves get to kill a villager/power role tonight and another day for their Devil to scry while we're already without our own seer. Tell me where is the benefit to us in that?

[Maleceptor]

Logic

FC, You're coming off as a wolf at this point. I was starting to get suspicious of you. But seriously? If logic survives and gets vortexxed. The wolves could easily vortex themselves to deflect suspicion. Not only that. If logic lives and we get two bandwagons going. (Both bandwagons being on vanillagers for instance.) Then logic might suddenly find himself with two votes and change the outcome of the wagon.

I kinda want to know how Lex would narrate that though.. "Skeletor said: "Lynch He-Man!" The crowd complied because a talking chicken told them skeletor is better dead(sort of alive) then dead(dead)"

[Fleeing Coward]

Logic.

FC, You're coming off as a wolf at this point. I was starting to get suspicious of you. But seriously? If logic survives and gets vortexxed. The wolves could easily vortex themselves to deflect suspicion. Not only that. If logic lives and we get two bandwagons going. (Both bandwagons being on vanillagers for instance.) Then logic might suddenly find himself with two votes and change the outcome of the wagon.

I kinda want to know how Lex would narrate that though.. "Skeletor said: "Lynch He-Man!" The crowd complied because a talking chicken told them skeletor is better dead(sort of alive) then dead(dead)"

I already pointed out the vortex situation and how we handle it multiple times. Other than been aware of who's been vortexed when the wolves use the ability, we should never be influenced or try to guess the wolves' intention with their vortex since that just creates WIFOM situations.

Logic at this point is a vanilla wolf. His single vote won't change the outcome of any lynch unless it is literally only a one vote difference between the candidates and he just happens to be on at the end of the day when that situation occurs. That is going to be pretty rare and there are plenty of safeguards available to prevent that from ever actually happening.

Anyone else want to try to find flaws in my plan? I've thought this through quite abit and I havn't been able to find any major flaws with it so I welcome anyone to come forward with a reason why what I propose isn't the best option for town at this point.

[Ramsus]

The main flaw in your plan is that the wolves win earlier or later depending on how many of them are alive. Leaving one we know alive when we know they can't defend him and we have every reason to believe they'll be far more careful about how they use vortexxing later on is basically asking for it when they make us lynch a villager instead of Logic later on. Unless you have some strong information on who you think Trap-Jaw specifically is, not lynching Logic right now is a really bad plan. Honestly making this post I figured out a few more ways the wolves could really harm us if we follow your plan. I'm not going to say them of course because... yeah why would I feed them strategy?

[Fleeing Coward]

The main flaw in your plan is that the wolves win earlier or later depending on how many of them are alive.

The wolves do not win any earlier or later if we leave Logic alive. We know exactly how many wolves there are so we know exactly how many mislynches we have. Lynching Logic doesn't actually get us any closer to victory since it provides us with no new information. It does give the wolves a free scry to find powerroles which is why I'm advocating not lynching him right now.

Leaving one we know alive when we know they can't defend him and we have every reason to believe they'll be far more careful about how they use vortexxing later on is basically asking for it when they make us lynch a villager instead of Logic later on. Unless you have some strong information on who you think Trap-Jaw specifically is, not lynching Logic right now is a really bad plan.

How can they use a vortex to force us to lynch a villager over Logic later on? If they're using a vortex that means Trap-Jaw is alive and Trap-Jaw is our biggest threat who we need to find as soon as we can. As long as Trap-Jaw is alive, the wolves effectively have an extra wolf since they're not going to use the one shot vote doubler except to brute force things right at the end and that is the other benefit of my proposal to lynch someone other than Logic - lynching Logic gives us 0 chance of lynching Trap-Jaw.

The only time we shouldn't leave Logic to last is if only he and the Beast is alive from the wolf team.

Honestly making this post I figured out a few more ways the wolves could really harm us if we follow your plan. I'm not going to say them of course because... yeah why would I feed them strategy?

If you actually do and am not just saying that, tell us. If you make a valid point, then we will be lynching Logic so whatever the flaw is doesn't matter so I see 0 reason for you to "hide strategy from wolves".

[Duck999]

Logic, as it is the reasonable choice.
If we lynch someone else today and save Logic for later, we may kill a villager today and the wolves get their night kill and scry, which is worse than what you said FC about them getting a free kill from us killing Logic. It makes the most sense for us to kill Logic ASAP.

[Fleeing Coward]

Logic, as it is the reasonable choice.
If we lynch someone else today and save Logic for later, we may kill a villager today and the wolves get their night kill and scry, which is worse than what you said FC about them getting a free kill from us killing Logic. It makes the most sense for us to kill Logic ASAP.

The difference is that we get information to analyse late game even if we lynch a villager.
If we were to lynch a villager today, it'd probably be the same villager we would have lynched tomorrow anyways so we're not actually giving the wolves any extra kill/scry like you're implying.

[necrochicken]

Logic it is now official, my vote is.

[Murska]

Insofar as I can tell, FC makes perfect sense. Regardless, we might want to go with the safe play simply because odds are that the people left on the Town side in the endgame are going to be mostly inactive people who haven't been paying much attention, and so there's always the chance of something going horribly wrong. In addition, Logic being dead means he can't advise his team, which is also something to consider.

I'll take a look at other candidates, however, once I have the time.

[necrochicken]

FC is acting like a werewolf, trying to preserve the alpha.

Cuathalon must be

a) a villager;
or b) the beast, so FC will win our trust, WHILE KILLING ONE OF US!

sol lynch Logic now, Fc tomorrow. Then Cuatholon. Possibly.

[Murska]

That's ridiculous. While I wouldn't rule out FC having the balls to do something like this as a wolf, he's overwhelmingly more likely to be Town.

[necrochicken]

That's ridiculous. While I wouldn't rule out FC having the balls to do something like this as a wolf, he's overwhelmingly more likely to be Town.

Hmmm. Probably right.

[Fleeing Coward]

FC is acting like a werewolf, trying to preserve the alpha.

Cuathalon must be

a) a villager;
or b) the beast, so FC will win our trust, WHILE KILLING ONE OF US!

sol lynch Logic now, Fc tomorrow. Then Cuatholon. Possibly.

Tell me which part of my suggestion is remotely wolfy?

While lynching Logic is the safe option, it is not the optimal line of play.

I could easily have patted myself on the back, told myself I made the right choice in switching to Logic yesterday and be happy with that but that won't win us the game and I play this game to win. To me lynching Logic today does not aid us in that since if we lynch Logic, we'll be no closer to finding the other 4 wolves this time tomorrow but there'd be one more dead villager and the wolves would know one more role.