He-Man and the Masters of the Universe

[Murska]

...I kinda really just want Logic dead. Just out of spite for voting me two days in a row.
But I'm sort of convinced that he's town now, but I don't really have any other ideas. I'm going to point at Cuthalion, because I remember there was some reason or another that people were suspicious of him yesterday.

Of course, in the last games I was tricked into switching wagons multiple times, and it was always to leave a wolf wagon. Just remember that before following suit.

Minor FoS Xihirli for this post.

23% of drow law school was learning to misconstrue half-suggestions from chickens as actual evidence. Plus I learned last game that ties are just awful when you're tied with other people, Luiseu.
Luizeu.

Also, this is a post where Xihirli breaks a tie in favour of Logic on day 1. The FoS only remains minor because Logic bussed Xihirli so much.

Another minor FoS Silent_Interim for protecting Logic late in the day yesterday.

And FoS Maleceptor for general 'managing to point things towards the wrong people and away from the right people while following Logic'-iness.

Finally, FoS ThePhantom for this post by Logic:

Well, I hate to have to do this, but it's going to be me out of self preservation.

Sorry ThePhantom.

Let's see who intentionally makes a new tie.

Feels like he might actually be apologizing here (for bussing a teammate).


That's all I get off a quick readthrough.

[Syldar]

Unless I get a reeeaaally good reason to switch, Logic is the logical choice. We need to lynch him anyway, so I don't see the logic behind saying that not lynching him gives the wolves a free kill. If we don't, then that's one less villager the wolves need to kill to win. I just don't see how it would make sense to ignore the FREAKIN' SKELETON MAN THAT LEADS THE EVIL DUDES!

[Logic]

Insofar as I can tell, FC makes perfect sense. Regardless, we might want to go with the safe play simply because odds are that the people left on the Town side in the endgame are going to be mostly inactive people who haven't been paying much attention, and so there's always the chance of something going horribly wrong. In addition, Logic being dead means he can't advise his team, which is also something to consider.

I'll take a look at other candidates, however, once I have the time.

Emphasis mine.

I think I should be flattered by this comment, as it implies you think I know what I'm doing.

[AvatarVecna]

You know what this game needs more of? He-Man and/or Skeletor memes. I'm ready to do my part.

[Luizeu]

Luizeu II stands up from his one-knee-on-the-ground stance , completely naked, and approaches a nearby soldier.
_I need your clothes, your boots and your motorcycle hover thingie.
Soldier replies :
_You forgot to say please.
Luizeu II looks for a moment and utters: Please.

We could have a tie, we could have a villager lynch or another wolf lynch.
I say we Kill Logic today

[Pelican]

Well, I agree with FC here, but it doesn't look like it's going to matter very much. My strongest FoS in on Maleceptor partially for voting pattern reasons that have already been pointed out, partially because you'll notice that a large number of his posts seem to be simply parroting something someone else has already said, which certainly rubs me the wrong way.

And even if we are lynching Logic today, it's still important to play the "who would you vote for if you weren't voting for Logic" game, just to keep the momentum going. I'd really like to see some more orange text in people's posts, at least.

[Logic]

You know what this game needs more of? He-Man and/or Skeletor memes. I'm ready to do my part.

A quick google search yields this as the most forum appropriate.



HE-MAN, WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?

[ThePhantom]

Frankly, in my opinion, FC is right. We can get more information by leaving Logic alive for now, then just killing him. Besides, now that Logic can't really do much to affect the lynch, he might as well role play and that's something I find to be a plus.

Now, going on what others have thought of possible wolves, Maleceptor.

[Syldar]

Well, I agree with FC here, but it doesn't look like it's going to matter very much. My strongest FoS in on Maleceptor partially for voting pattern reasons that have already been pointed out, partially because you'll notice that a large number of his posts seem to be simply parroting something someone else has already said, which certainly rubs me the wrong way.

And even if we are lynching Logic today, it's still important to play the "who would you vote for if you weren't voting for Logic" game, just to keep the momentum going. I'd really like to see some more orange text in people's posts, at least.

Orange text?

[AvatarVecna]

A quick google search yields this as the most forum appropriate.

That's not the only one! There's also this beauty, which is even better in this context:

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EDIT: Also this one.

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[Pelican]

Orange text?

Usually signifies finger of suspicion.

[Murska]

Orange text?

Orange is generally used to signify a player you find suspicious but whom you aren't pointing at for some reason.

Maleceptor. Let's get this counterwagon rolling, to save the Alpha!

[Ramsus]

This is a really really bad idea guys. FC knows well enough not to press me to reveal a strategy I don't want to to the opposing team and well... those strategies would pretty much ensure we're going to have a lot harder of a time lynching Logic later. And as Murska said earlier, that would deprive them of at least one player we know is dangerous enough that silencing his voice in the wolf network is probably a worthwhile benefit. A benefit that decreases in worth the longer we delay (since each day we don't kill him is another day where he adds his opinions and thoughts).

[AvatarVecna]

Spoiler: All hail Skeletor, the evillest being in the Universe!

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[Indarra]

Logic. Why are we even considering anyone else for this day?

[Logic]

This is a really really bad idea guys. FC knows well enough not to press me to reveal a strategy I don't want to to the opposing team and well... those strategies would pretty much ensure we're going to have a lot harder of a time lynching Logic later. And as Murska said earlier, that would deprive them of at least one player we know is dangerous enough that silencing his voice in the wolf network is probably a worthwhile benefit. A benefit that decreases in worth the longer we delay (since each day we don't kill him is another day where he adds his opinions and thoughts).

I really think you are giving me more credit than is due. But I guess I should thank you for the compliment.

[Fleeing Coward]

This is a really really bad idea guys. FC knows well enough not to press me to reveal a strategy I don't want to to the opposing team and well... those strategies would pretty much ensure we're going to have a lot harder of a time lynching Logic later. And as Murska said earlier, that would deprive them of at least one player we know is dangerous enough that silencing his voice in the wolf network is probably a worthwhile benefit. A benefit that decreases in worth the longer we delay (since each day we don't kill him is another day where he adds his opinions and thoughts).

This situation is different though. If Logic is lynched today, they can't exactly use them to make Logic harder to lynch. How is it not in your and the town's best interest to reveal those supposed flaws you say you can see in my plan?
Unless of course you're just lying about seeing said flaws.

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Also, Maleceptor. I do believe he's extremely likely to be a wolf here and unlike Logic, he has a chance of been Trapjaw.

[Maleceptor]

I think i know why Xihirli plays the way he does. Because you all just broke me. Maleceptor Because ties are funny.

[Murska]

Have to admire that move. Logic.

[Zar Peter]

Point at Logic. While I see FC's logic that it wouldn't do us harm to let him live I don't really see the benefit. And it's a dangerous gamble.

[Xihirli]

I think i know why Xihirli plays the way he does. Because you all just broke me. Maleceptor Because ties are funny.

A: Logic. Even I'M not stupid enough to pick someone else at this point.

B: Anyway, Maleceptor, I don't know why people are accusing you. I'd think that they're on the wolf wagon, but are the wolves really dumb enough to point themselves out like that? I mean, you were on my list of suspects until the moment when the people we should now know not to listen to tried to lynch you instead of a CONFIRMED wolf! By the logic they're using, we should ignore Confirmed Seer scries when we get them because there's no point in killing them when we know that they are wolves.

[AvatarVecna]

Hmm...Malecepter has broken, Xihirli is using logic against Logic, and FC is insisting that we don't lynch the person we know to be a wolf. I'm not sure how to respond to this...Skeletor, any comments on the situation?

Spoiler: Uh...Skeletor? You okay?

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To my everlasting shame, I was unable to locate a picture of Skeletor face-palming.

EDIT: Is there anybody out there who can save us from this utter lack of palm-on-face action?

Spoiler: There is another...

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[Murska]

What is it that people don't understand about FC's logic?

We know who the Alpha is. The Alpha has no special powers. Therefore, our options are either to lynch the Alpha, which lowers the number of wolves by one (but we're under no threat of losing by numbers yet) or to ignore the Alpha for now and hunt for the wolves who do have special powers. If we assume that it'll take us the same average amount of lynches to find one of those either way, but the Alpha lynch does not count because it gives no voting information, then by not lynching the Alpha now we deprive the wolves of one night of using a special power of some sort.

We risk distraction, as players aren't a single cohesive whole that can ignore the Alpha if they choose to do so and the Alpha giving their team good advice that lets them hide for longer.

From there, it's just a simple cost-benefit analysis. Is one night of wolf special abilities worth distracting the Town with a live confirmed wolf and giving the wolves access to more brains to plot with?

[ThePhantom]

Hmm...Malecepter has broken, Xihirli is using logic against Logic, and FC is insisting that we don't lynch the person we know to be a wolf. I'm not sure how to respond to this...Skeletor, any comments on the situation?

Spoiler: Uh...Skeletor? You okay?

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To my everlasting shame, I was unable to locate a picture of Skeletor face-palming.

EDIT: Is there anybody out there who can save us from this utter lack of palm-on-face action?

Spoiler: There is another...

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Look for images from the rainbow warrior, there's a nice one there.

[Ramsus]

Murska, you didn't cross out your vote on Maleceptor.

[Xihirli]

How is this?

[Fleeing Coward]

Murska, you didn't cross out your vote on Maleceptor.

Lex made it clear that crossing out isn't necessary, she counts the last vote.
You still have not answered my question on how my plan has major flaws. You can claim that there is all you want but the fact that you refuse to actually point them out openly even though it'd help your case and it doesn't matter if the wolves know about it if Logic dies today, the only conclusion I can come to is that you're clearly lying about seeing non existant major flaws.

[Ramsus]

I have already once responded to your insistence I reveal information we both know you should not be asking me to, I do hope everyone is paying attention to you pretending otherwise because it's such a cheap, mindless, and worn out tactic and it's hardly the first time you've tried to use it against me when a wolf. If you were honestly curious you would have just PMed me asking what the reasons were so we could avoid what would basically be adding my mind to the wolf team for no reason I can see. Your insistence just makes me all the more convinced you're a wolf. Not that I would have told you anyway, I already think you're likely a wolf and even if I didn't, I know that you think so much of your own opinions and so little of mine that I would have trouble convincing you the sky is blue on a cloudless day.

[Xihirli]

...the sky is blue on a cloudless day.

WHAT!?

Who knew?

[Fleeing Coward]

I have already once responded to your insistence I reveal information we both know you should not be asking me to, I do hope everyone is paying attention to you pretending otherwise because it's such a cheap, mindless, and worn out tactic and it's hardly the first time you've tried to use it against me when a wolf. If you were honestly curious you would have just PMed me asking what the reasons were so we could avoid what would basically be adding my mind to the wolf team for no reason I can see. Your insistence just makes me all the more convinced you're a wolf. Not that I would have told you anyway, I already think you're likely a wolf and even if I didn't, I know that you think so much of your own opinions and so little of mine that I would have trouble convincing you the sky is blue on a cloudless day.

You said it yourself, why would I PM you when we both know you'd just come up with the I don't trust you so I wouldn't tell you anyways excuse anyways.
You're the one that's hiding behind the "can't tell wolf excuse" and not been honest here. If this was about general wolf strategy which naturally we don't want to share with wolves, I wouldn't be pushing this but it isn't.
You're claiming you see a major flaw to keeping Logic alive that the wolves could utilise. Where is the harm in sharing that with the rest of the player base to convince them that lynching Logic is the only sane choice?