Death Battle II - I don't THINK Gara got robbed I KNOW he did.

[Dragonexx]

Man i need to get back into fairy tail. Kinda got distracted around the island arc.

[Lord Raziere]

I'm a fan of Erza and Fairy Tail, and want them to win.

Therefore I predict that Zorro will win, based on Death Battle making all the characters I like lose to characters I don't to spite me. Especially since I hate One Piece, therefore making it more likely that Erza will lose, to make me angry.

Just watch, they will come up with some way for Erza to switch into her pure offense sword form and thus get taken out out easily because of it while saying that Zorro has more endurance or something because he has shown to repeatedly take lots of hits with only his skin.

[Kato]

Man i need to get back into fairy tail. Kinda got distracted around the island arc.

Eh... I'm not saying "no" but... don't invest too much love into it.

Just watch, they will come up with some way for Erza to switch into her pure offense sword form and thus get taken out out easily because of it while saying that Zorro has more endurance or something because he has shown to repeatedly take lots of hits with only his skin.

So.. I'll stay away from the discussion whether DB does things to spite you or why you prefer FT over OP but...
It seems this could be a likely outcome. Yes, Erza is likely on a base scale way more powerful than Zoro, she has been shown to take city bursting hits in absolute defense and she's very versatile. But Zoro is near indestructable. Like at th end of the Thriller Bark arc? That's beyond what we've seen of Erza, and he does such things on a weekly basis. And skill wise he's probably her equal. Erza has lots of chances to win, but I feel like they might give the fight to Zoro, if he gets a good shot in.
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Okay, no, Erza should really win, in 90% of cases

[Anonymouswizard]

Okay, no, Erza should really win, in 90% of cases

And this here is why Zoro is going to win the fight for some random reason (probably the episode where Erza got a cold and so was defeated by the weakest character in the series while in ultimate defence or something like that).

I should probably watch/read Fairy Tail, it seems to be how 90% of my fantasy settings end up. Maybe once I've caught up with JoJo.

[Lord Raziere]

Yeah, well LOGICALLY speaking, Erza is more powerful, AND more flexible. She is also an experienced fighter who frequently can think outside the box and figure out a new way to beat someone with what she already has (which is pretty much the strength of all the FT characters. they don't NEED power ups when they can simply stick to defeating the foe using applications and tricks of their powers they just naturally develop, aside from Natsu but hey you got to appeal to people who like the power ups somehow). She SHOULD win this given that she simply has to find the right armor to switch to, while Zorro is pretty much just the swordiest mcswordguy that ever sworded a sword.

so logically speaking, it should be a Wizard Vs. Swordsage battle: Zorro is better than any normal fighter, but he is still just as narrow and can't win against someone who simply has to switch tactics to defeat him. But this is Death Battle. they might decide to do the unexpected and say he can cut through her armor with his Haki.....

though if I remember correctly, Erza once faced a guy who enhanced his body to insane levels in FT, I think? wasn't a swordsman, but he was basically a super-martial artist enhancing himself with magic in that tournament, so Zoro probably will work like that....or was that some OTHER FT member facing that guy? I really need to rewatch that series.

Edit: in a way, I'm actually disappointed that its Erza, a fairer fight to Zoro would be something like Zoro Vs. Kenpachi Zaraki. Just two guys with swords and raw power. That would be less certain and more interesting to watch and I could legit see either one winning.

[ben-zayb]

Dunno much about FT except the main characters' names and that the art is disturbingly similar to One Piece. Hello Gildarts!

Although I was under the impression FT is Spellcasters: the Anime the same way OP is Pirates: The Anime and Naruto is Ninja: The Anime. So if the magic-mundane gap in FT is similar to D&D 3.5's, then smart money's on Erza, who if I'm remembering correctly is the scarlet-tressed woman?

EDIT: Nah, Kenpachi will be too much for Zorro. While both are durable and have a knack for beating opponents who are also known to be very durable, Kenpachi's already insane power level even skyrocketed in the last arc. It's just way too ridiculous, it's not even entertaining.

[Forum Explorer]

Yeah, well LOGICALLY speaking, Erza is more powerful, AND more flexible. She is also an experienced fighter who frequently can think outside the box and figure out a new way to beat someone with what she already has (which is pretty much the strength of all the FT characters. they don't NEED power ups when they can simply stick to defeating the foe using applications and tricks of their powers they just naturally develop, aside from Natsu but hey you got to appeal to people who like the power ups somehow). She SHOULD win this given that she simply has to find the right armor to switch to, while Zorro is pretty much just the swordiest mcswordguy that ever sworded a sword.

so logically speaking, it should be a Wizard Vs. Swordsage battle: Zorro is better than any normal fighter, but he is still just as narrow and can't win against someone who simply has to switch tactics to defeat him. But this is Death Battle. they might decide to do the unexpected and say he can cut through her armor with his Haki.....

though if I remember correctly, Erza once faced a guy who enhanced his body to insane levels in FT, I think? wasn't a swordsman, but he was basically a super-martial artist enhancing himself with magic in that tournament, so Zoro probably will work like that....or was that some OTHER FT member facing that guy? I really need to rewatch that series.

Does Erza ever do something that's not 'wearing a type of armor and hitting it with a sword'? Her versatility seems more an ability to swap her stats around, not in actual different abilities.

I am hoping Zoro wins, because I hate Fairy Tail.

[Lord Raziere]

Does Erza ever do something that's not 'wearing a type of armor and hitting it with a sword'? Her versatility seems more an ability to swap her stats around, not in actual different abilities.

Swapping her stats around IS what would win it for her. there is no One True Build for fighting in the wuxia genre. Only styles of fighting that are great against some, but worthless against others. And FT and One Piece are just Wuxia but with Wizards and Pirates. for example: a tricky defensive style beats an offensive reckless style, but offensive wild style can beat a formal old style, but a formal old style can beat X and X can beat Y which beats Z and so on. the ability to switch between one way to defeat the foe for another that the other fighter wouldn't be used to defending against is powerful when your fighting is all about reading the other persons movements, their attack patterns and so on, because an attack pattern or style you haven't encountered before or has techniques and moves specifically designed to counter yours is devastating and could come at any time.

Its why the wuxia genre has so many martial artists and such to begin with and tropes like "there is always someone better" as well different schools and ways of fighting, because despite all the claims of power creep being the only thing different in wuxia anime, such fighting isn't so linear as that. Zoro has only two big stats that he can't change: his strength and his endurance. that doesn't always win you the fight. that influences his fighting style, as well as the fact that fights with three swords. Erza, to be competent at switching her stats around must adapt and figure out different ways of fighting so that she keeps winning despite working on completely different stylistic fighting principles. The fact that she can do that, means once she figures out that Zoro is basically a tank with no way of getting faster or more mobile, means she will find away to get around that.

That and Erza's actual abilities:
-100 different armors
-sword magic, so lots of swords
-telekinesis, so she can fight with swords at range
-also an expert archer
-can mix hand-to-hand with swordighting
-immense speed, strength and durability
-Heaven's Wheel armor gives her flight, the ability to summon massive amounts of swords to basically have unlimited blade works
-Black Wing Armor also gives her flight, increased offensive capability,
-Flame Empress Armor gives her fire resist and fire magic
-Giant Armor increases her strength in throwing thing to insane feats
-Adamantine Armor is the aforementioned ultimate defense, and can create a magic barrier, protected an entire Guild with this
-Purgatory Armor:apparently very powerful because no one has seen it and lived to tell the tale, but it got destroyed by Ikaruga
-Clear Heart Clothing: aforementioned complete discarding of defense for complete offense.
-Lightning Empress Armor: Lightning resistance and lightning magic
-Flight Armor: immense speed increase
-Robe of Yuen: has great elasticity
-Morning Star Armor: capable of releasing a large blast with her twin swords
-Armadura Fairy: so strong is destroyed a special spear as well as an island
-Sea Empress Armor: nullifies water attacks and uses water magic
-Seduction Armor: just normal seduction clothes apparently, she is not above doing this to win
-Nakagami Armor: can dispel magic and wield a peerless sword
-Piercing Armor: basically has a spear that pierces a fortress
-Wingblade Armor: has an armor that has wings made of swords, so flight and killing people with blades at the same time
-Wind God Armor: manipulate the wind
-Holy Hammer: a giant hammer bigger than herself, protects from Real Nightmare, dispels it from others
-Sacred Arrow: also dispels magic
-synthetic horse
-has an artificial eye unable to effected by illusion magic or stone eyes magic.

So yeah. your wrong. she isn't just "switching around stats". she has enough flexibility and power to take down people such as: Eneru, Sasuke and pre-timeskip Aizen, alone. Aizen. Mr. Ultimate Illusion Hax himself.

[Anteros]

No. Absolutely not. You're overselling her. I don't know who Eneru is, but Aizen and Sasuke would both destroy her without breaking a sweat. They're on a whole different tier. I doubt she could even damage Aizen. He would swat her like a gnat.

Besides, Erza is exactly the type of character who will just look directly at the evil hypnotizing spell of the enemy and expect break free from sheer Mary Suedom. She would never even make it to the actual fight against Aizen or Sasuke.

[Callos_DeTerran]

No. Absolutely not. You're overselling her. I don't know who Eneru is, but Aizen and Sasuke would both destroy her without breaking a sweat. They're on a whole different tier. I doubt she could even damage Aizen. He would swat her like a gnat.

Besides, Erza is exactly the type of character who will just look directly at the evil hypnotizing spell of the enemy and expect break free from sheer Mary Suedom. She would never even make it to the actual fight against Aizen or Sasuke.

Erza couldn't bear Eneru either, he's a character from One Piece that is quite literally made of lighting and casually destroy large islands that he is nowhere close to. I don't even know if Erza could HIT Eneru, let alone beat him.

Fairy Tail's power scale is weird cause it unintentionally fluctuates like crazy with doing crazy feats but only situational ones.

To be honest, I don't think anything Erza does can compare to Zoro cause this is less Wizard vs Swordsage and more generalist vs specialist and Zoro does incredible things with swordsmanship....hell, I wouldn't doubt that he could destroy Erza's armors, a lot of which are cloth (when Zoro can cut through stone and steel) and its well known they can be destroyed.

That said, Erza will probably whip out some weird armor to win...then again, last time she confronted a swordsman, she deliberately oulled out her pure swordswoman outfit and almost lost....and Zoro is a far superior swordsman so...who knows?

[digiman619]

I'm rooting for Erza, though only because the Armorist class from Spheres of Power is based off her.

[Anteros]

The new one is up. I didn't bother watching it, so I don't know who wins, but I thought you guys might want to know.

[Traab]

Ok so I just watched it, and speaking as someone who has little knowledge of either

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The outcome made sense. They sort of touched on it but to me one of the biggest differences was, zoro there has trained his whole life with these blades, mastering every square inch of potential they have. Erza on the other hand, is a generalist. She has a LOT of powerful toys but cant achieve the same level of mastery of them all that he has over his. Had she stayed at range and kept trying to peg him with various blasts she might have eventually worn him down and won, but the speed they gave zoro makes that seem unlikely to have happened.

Next time on death battle, freaking deadpool.... again? Meh, could be cool, could suck, it depends on who they put him up against. But a virtually unkillable person is generally a terrible choice for a death battle.

[Dragonexx]

Result was fair. Bigger fan of fairy tail than one piece, but good fight...

Shonen anime bull****...

[Kato]

Ok so I just watched it, and speaking as someone who has little knowledge of either

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The outcome made sense. They sort of touched on it but to me one of the biggest differences was, zoro there has trained his whole life with these blades, mastering every square inch of potential they have. Erza on the other hand, is a generalist. She has a LOT of powerful toys but cant achieve the same level of mastery of them all that he has over his. Had she stayed at range and kept trying to peg him with various blasts she might have eventually worn him down and won, but the speed they gave zoro makes that seem unlikely to have happened.

Next time on death battle, freaking deadpool.... again? Meh, could be cool, could suck, it depends on who they put him up against. But a virtually unkillable person is generally a terrible choice for a death battle.

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Well... I won't say I'm unhappy with it but... Zoro surely is fast, and I'm not saying pinning it on that scene is wrong but... it's a rare occasion. It's hard to gauge speeds in manga but I don't think this is a speed Oda would have for Zoro in mind. And I'm gonna guess Erza rather casually deflects bullets, too, so it's not like that's her peek speed.

Anyway, I'm fine with the outcome. I would have also been fine with Erza winning. It was nice to watch, even if it maybe could have shown a bit more of both's arsenals. I guess the edga was Zoro's crazy power trumping Erza's also crazy power, and Zoro's inablity to lay down and stay dead.

Speaking of people who won't stay dead... Wade will be back. So... another guy who breaks the 4th wall regularly? Another immortal? Another mercenary? Another guw who was crazy successful at the cinemy in 2016? Let's see.

Bigger fan of fairy tail than one piece

...How? I mean, reading FT is fun enough but literally HOW?

[Rynjin]

Don't generally watch Death Battle but this outcome isn't surprising to me. Found myself scratching my head at the whole "Erza's advantage is she can switch up her fighting style" thing up thread since Zoro is just as capable of doing so, and has BEEN SHOWN to do so on many occasions. He is not just a three sword style user. He has mastered single and dual sword styles as well, culminating in his INVENTION of the new style. Most of his major finishing moves (the X Pound Phoenix line of attacks, for instance) are single sword techniques, after all. He has range, speed, and power from an insane level of Charles Atlas Superpower, with most of his more insane feats being show pre-timeskip (the timeskip that he is exponentially stronger afterward, to the point that he has yet to be truly challenged after it. The closest he comes is the fight vs Peta, and even then it's just until he figures out how his powers work and then casually annihilates the guy).

Mary Sue Fairy Tail Nakama Hax aside, I don't really see any other way this could have ended.

[Dragonexx]

...How? I mean, reading FT is fun enough but literally HOW?

Because everyone has different tastes.

[Knaight]

Don't generally watch Death Battle but this outcome isn't surprising to me. Found myself scratching my head at the whole "Erza's advantage is she can switch up her fighting style" thing up thread since Zoro is just as capable of doing so, and has BEEN SHOWN to do so on many occasions. He is not just a three sword style user. He has mastered single and dual sword styles as well, culminating in his INVENTION of the new style. Most of his major finishing moves (the X Pound Phoenix line of attacks, for instance) are single sword techniques, after all. He has range, speed, and power from an insane level of Charles Atlas Superpower, with most of his more insane feats being show pre-timeskip (the timeskip that he is exponentially stronger afterward, to the point that he has yet to be truly challenged after it. The closest he comes is the fight vs Peta, and even then it's just until he figures out how his powers work and then casually annihilates the guy).

Being proficient in three different weapon sets is an entirely different case than being proficient in dozens - this is one of the things that Death Battle seems to have done fairly reasonably.

Their abuse of math stemming from interpretations of a handful of feats on the other hand was particularly bad. There's one point of evidence that Zorro can move five times as fast as a bullet if the assumption is made that a crowded room in the middle of a fight has people who can track motion as well as the best study participants in ideal circumstances, and a whole bunch of evidence that he moves just barely fast enough to block bullets that have traveled significantly further than his arm does in the blocking motion. How does Death Battle resolve these contradictions? They assume the outlier is right because it provides a higher number. Then there's the habit of reducing all injury to energy expenditure and energy absorption. Zorro kills this one giant, it would take this much energy. Ezra is on this one island that blows up, blowing up that one island would take this much energy. Sure, she's also been hurt by weapons swung at her which obviously had a lot less than that, and energy is outright known to be a pretty bad metric for injury. A football player tackling someone has about twice as much energy as a bullet, that doesn't mean that those tackles are more dangerous. The heaviest train on earth hitting someone at 0.1 mph has about thirty times as much energy as said football player, that doesn't mean an impact that slow is going to do any noticeable damage at all. But no, surviving that one energy blast trumps all the numerous evidence that Ezra makes a point of not getting hit by standard issue sword strikes precisely because they're dangerous.

That's without getting into the validity of these energy calculations. That whole "damaging Pica took the energy of a nuclear blast" is completely ridiculous. That would be 6.3*10^10 kJ on the low end, meanwhile the energy needed to lift Pica which is treated as oh-so-high comes to only 2.75*10^8 kJ if you assume the top half is the size of a 100m*100m*100m cube and use the upper range of granite's average density, which is clearly excessive. Cutting likely takes more, but that's not even what was treated as impressive.

This isn't me saying Ezra should have won - I don't know either series well enough to comment, because I'm not willing to watch hundreds of episodes of generic Shonen. It's me saying that the evidence gathered was hilariously bad, and the math just terrible. That's half the fun of watching this trainwreck, and unlike other similar trainwrecks* this one at least doesn't mislead people about real things.

*Deadliest Warrior in particular

[Mato]

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[Forum Explorer]

Being proficient in three different weapon sets is an entirely different case than being proficient in dozens - this is one of the things that Death Battle seems to have done fairly reasonably.

Their abuse of math stemming from interpretations of a handful of feats on the other hand was particularly bad. There's one point of evidence that Zorro can move five times as fast as a bullet if the assumption is made that a crowded room in the middle of a fight has people who can track motion as well as the best study participants in ideal circumstances, and a whole bunch of evidence that he moves just barely fast enough to block bullets that have traveled significantly further than his arm does in the blocking motion. How does Death Battle resolve these contradictions? They assume the outlier is right because it provides a higher number. Then there's the habit of reducing all injury to energy expenditure and energy absorption. Zorro kills this one giant, it would take this much energy. Ezra is on this one island that blows up, blowing up that one island would take this much energy. Sure, she's also been hurt by weapons swung at her which obviously had a lot less than that, and energy is outright known to be a pretty bad metric for injury. A football player tackling someone has about twice as much energy as a bullet, that doesn't mean that those tackles are more dangerous. The heaviest train on earth hitting someone at 0.1 mph has about thirty times as much energy as said football player, that doesn't mean an impact that slow is going to do any noticeable damage at all. But no, surviving that one energy blast trumps all the numerous evidence that Ezra makes a point of not getting hit by standard issue sword strikes precisely because they're dangerous.

That's without getting into the validity of these energy calculations. That whole "damaging Pica took the energy of a nuclear blast" is completely ridiculous. That would be 6.3*10^10 kJ on the low end, meanwhile the energy needed to lift Pica which is treated as oh-so-high comes to only 2.75*10^8 kJ if you assume the top half is the size of a 100m*100m*100m cube and use the upper range of granite's average density, which is clearly excessive. Cutting likely takes more, but that's not even what was treated as impressive.

This isn't me saying Ezra should have won - I don't know either series well enough to comment, because I'm not willing to watch hundreds of episodes of generic Shonen. It's me saying that the evidence gathered was hilariously bad, and the math just terrible. That's half the fun of watching this trainwreck, and unlike other similar trainwrecks* this one at least doesn't mislead people about real things.

*Deadliest Warrior in particular

Thank you for articulating what was bothering me about those equations.

[Kato]

Because everyone has different tastes.

Er.... but... * that's like saying "I like this band but I really prefer that cover band where the bassist only has three properly tuned strings, the lead singer misses one out of five notes and they only play the average songs of the original band. But they have more naked women on stage." I mean, I totally accept people have different tastes, and in most cases I can see why they would like something more or less than me but liking FT more than OP? Of course you don't have to defend your taste but I'm just curious.


*the following is not meant as an offense but as a joke

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That's without getting into the validity of these energy calculations. That whole "damaging Pica took the energy of a nuclear blast" is completely ridiculous. That would be 6.3*10^10 kJ on the low end, meanwhile the energy needed to lift Pica which is treated as oh-so-high comes to only 2.75*10^8 kJ if you assume the top half is the size of a 100m*100m*100m cube and use the upper range of granite's average density, which is clearly excessive. Cutting likely takes more, but that's not even what was treated as impressive.

So, I'm not trying to fight the argument per se but... where did you get that number for energy output? My best guess is you just took Pika to be lifted about 1m, when it's pretty clear it's more likely around ten, so the exponent should be about 1 higher (though, you can argue the cube estimate might be a bit generous)
Buuut... how did you get only 10^10 kJ for the Castle Romeo bomb? That's more like 10^13 kJ, so... while I agree with DB apparently using weird math here, I don't follow your calculations either

[Lord Raziere]

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Erza lost.

I knew it, they are trying to make all the people I don't like win. I was right again, every time a character I like faces off against a character I don't like in DB, the character I like loses. My method has not steered me wrong yet.

I predict that Deadpool will lose to whatever opponent is coming.

[Anonymouswizard]

[QUOTE=Kato;21442968 and in most cases I can see why they would like something more or less than me but liking FT more than OP? Of course you don't have to defend your taste but I'm just curious.[/QUOTE]

As someone who hasn't watched much of either, I can say that One Piece is a lot harder to get into for some reason. Possibly it's because Fairy Tail manages to remind me of every D&D game I've played ever, while One Piece just seems aimless at first. It's taken four episodes for the first two members of the crew to get together.

FWIW I actually think the manga version of One Piece is great and really well paced, it's just that the pacing seems to fall down when animated. Maybe the anime of One Piece gets better later? I'm not really in a position to collect manga right now so I should probably watch One Piece as I know it's great, but when compared to FT it just seems to have little clue where it's going at first. So it's a case of that I know OP may be better, but it's just hard to get past the early, not particularly special stuff (I signed onto this series for a bunch of pirates, I want pirates on a ship even if they don't do anything).

[Dragonexx]

I will say that fairy tail has much better pacing, from what I've seen. Arcs and events aren't drawn out to ridiculous lengths as many shonen anime's are want to do. Heck, of the episodes I've seen (up to right before the time skip) there's really only been 1 filler arc, and if I recall it was only four episodes long and was still entertaining nonetheless, and actually added a bit to the world.

[Knaight]

So, I'm not trying to fight the argument per se but... where did you get that number for energy output? My best guess is you just took Pika to be lifted about 1m, when it's pretty clear it's more likely around ten, so the exponent should be about 1 higher (though, you can argue the cube estimate might be a bit generous)
Buuut... how did you get only 10^10 kJ for the Castle Romeo bomb? That's more like 10^13 kJ, so... while I agree with DB apparently using weird math here, I don't follow your calculations either

That 10^10 wasn't for the Castle Romeo bomb - that was the lower range for "used nuclear weapon", the thing that DB quoted as being less energetic than Pika's lifting, at 63 TJ.

As for Pika, that was a typo - it should be *10^9, again with super generous assumptions - there wasn't really a good background shot, but there was a bridge of unspecified height, so 100m was usable as an absolute maximum. It could easily be more like 30-50m, in which case that exponent drops right back down, even sticking with the cube shape. The Castle Romeo bomb I didn't check, by virtue of it being much more complicated to do so.

[Rynjin]

I will say that fairy tail has much better pacing, from what I've seen. Arcs and events aren't drawn out to ridiculous lengths as many shonen anime's are want to do. Heck, of the episodes I've seen (up to right before the time skip) there's really only been 1 filler arc, and if I recall it was only four episodes long and was still entertaining nonetheless, and actually added a bit to the world.

"Faster" and "better" are not equivalent. Fairy Tail moves a mile a minute and goes NOWHERE a lot of the time.

One Piece moves significantly faster than most Shonen manga/anime but everything is generally explored pretty well and it in some way adds to the overall setting, or character development, or larger plot.

One Piece's world feels like a real one that the characters are just exploring, which is the point of it. Fairy Tail feels like a series that took all the good things about Rave Master (except Sieg Hart's character design let's milk the **** out of that) and tossed them in the garbage for more fanservice and asspulls.

[Flickerdart]

Let's not turn this into a thread about which shonen anime is better. Everyone knows that Dragon Ball GT was the best shonen anime of all time, and everything else sucks.

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Let's not turn this into a thread about which shonen anime is better. Everyone knows that Dragon Ball GT was the best shonen anime of all time, and everything else sucks.

Pfft, all of those are ripoffs of the true champion, Shaman King.

[Red Fel]

Admittedly, I think a valuable point of reference here is that, firepower aside, the characters in Fairy Tail are (with the exception of Dragon Slayers) mostly functionally human. They suffer the same foibles and weaknesses as highly athletic humans (who can fly or summon ice dragons or what have you).

By contrast, characters in One Piece are functionally superhuman. Irrespective of their actual firepower, the major players are either beings whose bodies are made of otherstuff (e.g. shadows, rubber, fire, the force of gravity) or incredibly badass mundanes who can somehow go toe-to-toe with that and not die horribly.

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The fact is, I was more familiar with FT than OP, but coming into it, I expected Erza to win. She's S-class; she's one of the most powerful mages in the world. She has a literal arsenal. Zoro is just a dude with three swords and awesome skills.

But they're right. He's a dude with three swords and awesome skills who can fight things that would qualify as demigods. Even the biggest, scariest monsters in Fairy Tail, Erza would need to actually fight. She couldn't just radiate power and shut them down. Zoro could. He survives some ludicrous stuff, because OP's physics are ludicrous. FT is fun, but OP's combat - as with everything else about One Piece - is over the top.

So I guess I'd give him that.

Pfft, all of those are ripoffs of the true champion, Shaman King.

Anna is the ultimate Shounen Hero.

Kamina who?

[Lord Raziere]

Let's not turn this into a thread about which shonen anime is better. Everyone knows that Dragon Ball GT was the best shonen anime of all time, and everything else sucks.

Nah.

That honor goes to Sword Art Online.